hypothetical : ohio state vs. southern cal .......

[gman2]

getting bored with all the usc/texas hype. just wondering what some guys think a hypothetic southern cal/ohio state line would be if they played tomorrow.

would it be much more than the current usc/texas line? the same?

im sure a lot of osu followers would agree (or at least should agree) that this ohio state team is better than the national title team from a few years ago. that team was very opportunistic and caught some fortunate breaks and, frankly, got lucky.

you can make a good case that osu is better at every position except running back (compared with their 2002 team).

anybody think osu would match up better with usc than texas?

anybody think usc would win by 14+?

kinda interested in hearing some hypothetical lines and projections for this "game"

id say usc 31-24.

 

[BADTODABONE]

say 'HELLO' to another forum....

 

[mjalam]

i don't think ohio state could put up 24 pts against usc in a bowl game, maybe in the reg. season but no a bowl game when they have a month to prepare for what i consider a weak offense

 

[blgstocks]

Ive heard enough of this USC vs. everyone else talk on ESPN.

 

[Blackman]

Hypothetical line USC -8 for me, not a huge difference but would get away from the major number 7. Might even be 9, pending how the hype machine pushed this one.

Personally I feel when clicking on all cylinders the Trojans are ten points better than everyone in the nation, but I give Texas a little better shot because of Young, I do think he's a gamebreaker and can take over as he did in last years Rose Bowl.

One thing I do think is that USC's defense is not nearly the squad they were last year, and is why I think Texas can hang in this one for a bit tomorrow. The same principals could apply for OSU, but I do not feel they are as dynamic as the Longhorns as far as upside.

 

[thom24ad]

Bucks don't get any respect against teams like USC OSU +10 or higher kind of like when we met Miami for the NC

 

[gardenweasel]

if texas hadn`t beaten ohio st in their own house,it would be interesting to discuss.......i know,i had ohio st....

i`m no texas fan....but,it seems to me that if anybody deserves the chance to play u.s.c.,it`s texas.....

 

[Blackman]

To add to my post, that line of 8 is based on what I saw yesterday, not implying what it would have been if they did not play in the Fiesta for the Rose.

 

[thom24ad]

if texas hadn`t beaten ohio st in their own house,it would be interesting to discuss.......i know,i had ohio st....

i`m no texas fan....but,it seems to me that if anybody deserves the chance to play u.s.c.,it`s texas.....

I completely agree

 

[gman2]

mjalam:

the offense is by no means "weak" in terms of personnel. holmes and ginn would be competing for starting spots at southern cal. actually, holmes would be starting at usc. ginn is a terrible route runner but he'd find his way onto the field. pittman is nowhere near bush or white. thats obvious. and its impossible to compare smith and leinart simply because of style -- but both get the job done, especially in big games. leinarts resume far and away better but that doesnt mean smith couldnt move osu. you might be right - osu might not score 24. but im not so sure that usc scores more than 31. so perhaps the 31-17 to 31-24 range is fair.

 

[Scott4USC]

It depends on Troy Smith. He played excellent against ND. Props to him and I am now a fan of his. He seems to step up in big games. I like OSU WR's but OSU doesn't have a running game to scare USC.

On defense OSU DB's would get worked and OSU DL is nothing special. LB's are great and USC prob. couldn't dink and dunk unless OSU blitzes. Leinart can read defenses.

OSU would scare me (USC fan) more than Texas. But the biggest difference is Carroll vs Tressel. If Tressel settles for FG's against USC, OSU gets blown out. If Tressel goes for TD's, OSU would be competitive. We all know Tressel settles for FG's and USC loves it when opposing teams kick FG's.

OSU got big plays vs ND. USC D doesn't give up big plays.

USC -13 before OSU/ND game, USC -6 after OSU/ND game.

USC wins 38-16!

 

[vivalas]

I personally don't think this team is better than their NC year. troy Smith is more talented but boy could Krenzel execute. Troy when pressured like at Penn St. or against Texas will make some mistakes, not Krenzel. Don't get me wrong troy can be very good but that's the only weakness in his game right now. Defensively that OSU NC year, I feel they worked better as a unit. I have great respect for this year's LB core but the secondary is a slightly above average unit.

Anyway back to the question, I think USC wins 31-17 with it being close and troy throwing a pick near the end of the game. Also think Ginn becomes non factor in the game. Great talent that needs more time to develop

 

[gman2]

scott:

your post was right on the money.... before you edited it.
if you would have left it unedited, i would agree with everything you wrote.

 

[thom24ad]

OSU would scare me (USC fan) more than Texas. But the biggest difference is Carroll vs Tressel. If Tressel settles for FG's against USC, OSU gets blown out. If Tressel goes for TD's, OSU would be competitive. We all know Tressel settles for FG's and USC loves it when opposing teams kick FG's.

Your right Tressel ball doesn't work against teams like USC, and the Bucks would get blown-out, Tressel would have to open up the offense, but I am not big on USC defense just like ND's this year...and is the reason why I think USC falls to Texas in the Rose...but with all that said its just a matter of opinion

 

[gman2]

vivalas:

good post. ive got a good friend that feels the bucks defense was better that year. and i respect his opinion (and yours as well). it didnt have the star power (though will smith and gamble were good) but they were a solid overall unit. i think smith vs. krenzel is a matter of preference, for obvious reasons. with athleticism and playmaking ability comes mistakes. krenzel didnt make mistakes but he would not have made the plays smith made late in the game against michigan and notre dame.

 

[Scott4USC]

mjalam:

the offense is by no means "weak" in terms of personnel. holmes and ginn would be competing for starting spots at southern cal. actually, holmes would be starting at usc. ginn is a terrible route runner but he'd find his way onto the field. pittman is nowhere near bush or white. thats obvious. and its impossible to compare smith and leinart simply because of style -- but both get the job done, especially in big games. leinarts resume far and away better but that doesnt mean smith couldnt move osu. you might be right - osu might not score 24. but im not so sure that usc scores more than 31. so perhaps the 31-17 to 31-24 range is fair.

Pete Carroll wanted GINN badly. Real bad. Ginn almost came to USC. Scary if you think about it. Ginn would be starting at USC because USC would coach him better. He also would be the only speed WR and defenses couldn't key on him. He be open all day in USC offense. DAMN I wish he came to USC. :cursin:

OSU WR's would def. compete at USC. Although neither could beat out Jarret. Neither would beat out Patrick Turner next year. He is better than Mike Williams and Jarret at this stage (frosh).

 

[gman2]

say 'HELLO' to another forum....

youre right, this forum is reserved for back-patting record recaps.

nah, i knew this was a fringe general discussion/ college football topic. no problem with it being moved.

 

[gman2]

OSU WR's would def. compete at USC. Although neither could beat out Jarret. Neither would beat out Patrick Turner next year. He is better than Mike Williams and Jarret at this stage (frosh).

i think its safe to say that holmes would be in the mix with the usc guys. youre right, carroll would find a spot for ginn. you cant keep that pure talent and speed off the field. but holmes is so underrated its not funny. incidentally, holmes declared for the draft yesterday and will be one of the first receivers taken. dont disagree at all about turner and jarret though -- theyre damn good.

 

[Felonious Monk]

Ive heard enough of this USC vs. everyone else talk on ESPN.

So far, they have USC blowing out Caesar's army in Gaul, and edging out the Germans at Normandy. Tommorrow is Pete Carroll against Napolean. Gotta go with Pete on that matchup.

 

[ferdville]

I think the USC-OSU game could be more competitive because fewer points would be scored. But I think Texas, all variables considered, would have a better chance beating USC that would OSU. Of course, that makes no sense either. Would be a good game to watch.