Reason 4 the next war/Iran

[Spytheweb]

The Iranians are about to commit an "offense" far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro of Iraq?s oil exports in the fall of 2000. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran as early as 2005. While the publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, there are unspoken macroeconomic drivers explaining the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-based oil Bourse.



In 2005-2006, The Tehran government has a developed a plan to begin competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-denominated international oil-trading mechanism. This means that without some form of US intervention, the euro is going to establish a firm foothold in the international oil trade. Given U.S. debt levels and the stated neoconservative project for U.S. global domination, Tehran's objective constitutes an obvious encroachment on U.S. dollar supremacy in the international oil market


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html

 

[gardenweasel]

i kind of expected some of the old"how dare we dictate to iran regarding nuclear weapons when we are ourselves, armed to the teeth" thread...

instead we get another left wing conspiracy...


isn`t this very similar to the rationale put forth from the left on iraq?.....

do you really think it`s feasible to invade and occupy iran,also?..does anybody with a brain believe that?....

it may not work in iraq...a country 1/3 the size of iran....

if ahmadinnerjacket proceeds with tearing off the u.n.`s seals on his reactors...and keeps carping about wiping israel off the face of the map...missile strikes might be a consideration...

military regime change by the west is not...certainly not by the u.s. unilaterally....not given what`s happened since 2004(when this drecch was written)

and if we do something...in concert with the e.u. or the u.n.,...then,aren`t the europeans acting in contradiction to their own intersts?...certainly the french and the germans would be..

btw...are we absconding with iraqi oil?....no...and we are catching hell from the left because we aren`t....of course,if we were using their oil to pay for the war,then it WOULD be a war for oil....

convenient to have your cake and eat it,too...isn`t it....


and the last time i checked,the "puppet gov`t" we are establishing in iraq is a shiite dominated government.....closer in beliefs to the mullahs than the west....

as far as papers regarding plans for regime change in iran...covertly or overtly.....don`t you believe that the government`s innumerable think tanks.... whether they be the military strategists or political scientists...have game planned for every possible scenario that may come to be?.....right or wrong?...that`s their job......

(btw...i saw "spy" on another site spinnng the same "web"...lol

we are talking nuclear proliferation here,spy...

it`s amazing how one nuke can pretty much ruin your whole day,ain`t it....

still....even considering the gravity of the situation,i`ll take the odds on the u.s.not invading iraq unilaterally......

 

[bjfinste]

GW- do you mean Iran in your last line?

 

[Spytheweb]

i kind of expected some of the old"how dare we dictate to iran regarding nuclear weapons when we are ourselves, armed to the teeth" thread...

instead we get another left wing conspiracy...


isn`t this very similar to the rationale put forth from the left on iraq?.....

do you really think it`s feasible to invade and occupy iran,also?..does anybody with a brain believe that?....

it may not work in iraq...a country 1/3 the size of iran....

if ahmadinnerjacket proceeds with tearing off the u.n.`s seals on his reactors...and keeps carping about wiping israel off the face of the map...missile strikes might be a consideration...

military regime change by the west is not...certainly not by the u.s. unilaterally....not given what`s happened since 2004(when this drecch was written)

and if we do something...in concert with the e.u. or the u.n.,...then,aren`t the europeans acting in contradiction to their own intersts?...certainly the french and the germans would be..

btw...are we absconding with iraqi oil?....no...and we are catching hell from the left because we aren`t....of course,if we were using their oil to pay for the war,then it WOULD be a war for oil....

convenient to have your cake and eat it,too...isn`t it....


and the last time i checked,the "puppet gov`t" we are establishing in iraq is a shiite dominated government.....closer in beliefs to the mullahs than the west....

as far as papers regarding plans for regime change in iran...covertly or overtly.....don`t you believe that the government`s innumerable think tanks.... whether they be the military strategists or political scientists...have game planned for every possible scenario that may come to be?.....right or wrong?...that`s their job......

(btw...i saw "spy" on another site spinnng the same "web"...lol

we are talking nuclear proliferation here,spy...

it`s amazing how one nuke can pretty much ruin your whole day,ain`t it....

still....even considering the gravity of the situation,i`ll take the odds on the u.s.not invading iraq unilaterally......

The US may not want to invade Iran, just change the Gov. and put a US suckup in charge like they wanted to do in Iraq. Don't kid yourself it's all about dollars, oil dollars. If Bush really cared about freedom he would have carried his ass to Vietnam and fought for freedom there. No he took a rain check, Cheney too. Now their all for it, but not for their families to fight in. Iran said they have missiles that they got from North Korea that have a range that can reach Israel cities, if Israel or the US bombs their nuclear program they will fire them on those israel cities. Just another conspiracy? Well let's see what happens when Iran starts to sell their oil for euros. Other countries are watching to see what happens and may follow Iran's lead. BTW, i have the freedom to go to as many sites as i want, this is the way Repubs think, they talk freedom but they really don't want you to have it. Like Bush said "There should be limits to freedom."

 

[THE KOD]

Iran may put the bomb in the hands of terrorists. I wouldnt put it past them

If they nuke Isreal as they want to do , its the end of the world.

The world would not survive that one.

 

[djv]

How they going to nuke anyone in nexrt 4 years. Unless someone gives them a bomb. There at least 4 years away. This comes from our intelligent agencies. The same ones that were dead wrong on 9/11 and Iraq. Now let say Iran has the bomb and 4 years has past. How they going to get it to Israel. Not happening I don't buy the hype. It's being stroked by white house for other reasons.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

What is the move.on/Michael Moore crew doing at this site?--wouldn't waste my time GW--how do you converse with people who think Iran threat is about oil--you don't!

 

[gardenweasel]

yeah...sorry bjf....spelling error there...

spy...i have no prob with you being on the site...it`s not my call...

i just wanted to mention that this is the exact same post that i saw on another "sports forum"...

spreading the love?...

one thing i have noticed...is that different "experts" seem to be alleging different timeframes in regards to iranian nuclear readiness...

i`ve heard some say a matter of possibly 6 months...up to 5 to 10 years...i even heard one expert say that he thought they already had a nuke....how he knows that,i have no clue...

one thing that is becoming abundantly clear...our intelligence capabilities as they pertain to closed societies halfway around the world is sketchy at best.......

the recent strike on the village in afghanistan that supposedly housed al-zawahiri appears to have been a miss.....not proven yet...but,

given musharaf`s tenuous hold on the leadership of pakistan...another muslim nuclear power,btw....it may have been smarter to not take the shot....as there appears to be more anti-american backlash as a result...

the info probably came from pakistani sources...maybe they purposefully provided incorrect info to make us look bad....i`m sure that there are many in positions of power in pakistan that are anti-american...

given our obvious intelligence limitations......we really have to be certain when we proceed with this sort of thing......

if musharaf goes down....our problems in the afghan/iran/iraq/pakistan corridor become much more difficult...

and stuff like this certainly doesn`t help musharaf....

i know many of you guys think bush is insane(lol)...

but,as far as 2008 is concerned...who in their right mind would want to be president?...

who needs this shit?

 

[djv]

GW I don't think Bush is insane. But I don't think he's to smart either. He just seems to for get we are about 290 million folks. That leaves the other 4.5 billion in the world. And even if he does not like it. We have to live with them all. We need to find ways other then who do we bomb next.

 

[Spytheweb]

It's all about the dollar

It's all about the dollar

Bush is all worried about Iran having the bomb. But he's not to worried about N. Korea having the bomb. One thing for sure, if you have the bomb the US is not talking invading you. Well so what if Iran sells their oil for Euros and it weakens the US dollar, that's not a reason to go to war. Even thou the Bush family business is oil and Cheney's ass deep in oil too. I say it's about money because in America when it comes down to making a buck or saving a life, if you don't have money, you die! 44,000,000 Americans don't have healthcare, Bush has been in office for 4 years and has done nothing about it. If he had went after healthcare half as hard as he claims to go after terrorists, hey i might have voted for him.