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While I do agree with Gore that the Administration has over stepped their boundaries and violated the constitution rights of american citizens, but I do not believe Gore should be calling for impeachment of anyone since he did not call for Clinton's impeachment when he lied under oath. Simply put, you cannot advocate impeachment only when it suits your parties needs! I found Gore's speech to be well thought out and his speaking skills have improved as his tone was very well measured and not robotic as in the past. The link for the text of the speech is below but it sounds better if you listen to it.

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_30422.shtml
 

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GO AL GO! Yes he should have same standard for all Master Capper.
Believe that is why he distanced him self from Bill when he new something was not right. But here he should speak out. For sure if this had been Bill doing this in the 90's. Holy chit the right would have went nuts. They would have wanted another special prosecutor.
 

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Do a search DJV and find one gripe any conservative had on physical search of spys house in clinton admi. Find me just one. Find me just one on his authrization of force in Somolia-missles at UBL ect (other than for ineptness) You won't find any.
Rarily will you find any partisan from conservatives on any Dem pres when it comes to use of military or safety issues. Why is that?

Have you everheard me or another conservative here bitch about him authorizing it--ever heard me bitch about Johnson-Kennedy?
Reality is-- most conservatives back any pres military efforts in time of war or acts of war--and liberals have sympathy for those were fighting against.

On Gore distancing himself--had he not distanced himself from his home state citizens who knew him best-he might have won :)
You will find that moderate Dems are in allignment with most conservatives when it comes to public safety. Ever see the #'s in polls on population in approval of wire taps/data mining?
Have you seen just one "american citizen" complain he has been victem yet. The only ones claiming this are the lawyers of terrorist behind bars--and I have idea most these taps on phones on the U.S, side of international calls are not necessarily "U.S." citizens.
Don't be snowed by the Haskell/ACLU element that they are trying to protect your rights.
Lets see their big agenda's to date
--no DNA testing on convicts--in effort to solve previous crimes
-constant wnting exposure of prison photos
-treatment of captured terrorist
-attorneys for captured terrorist before questioning
-no profiling those getting on commercial transportation
-international wire taps on calls to terrorist countries
--litigation claiming child porn protected under constitution


you tell me just who are they trying to protect--which one of these would infringe on rights of law abiding citizen????????

How about this solution to the wire tap/data mining.
In cities that have prob with this-- they simply remove that city from data mining list--example if they are searching for key words bombing-attack ect used in phrase with U.S. cities -we take that city out of search.Using NYC as example--anything that pulls up in regard to key terrorist phrases and that city would be deleted automatically--you think reality woundn't trump political nonsense and they would be sqaulling like banshees.
 
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Perhaps Dogs That Bark has forgotten the Republican bill which demanded that the
> US cut and run from Iraq immediately.


Or the Republican bill which demanded that the US surrender to Somali
warlords, and cut and run from Somalia immediately. This one they all voted
"yes" on:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?r103:H06OC3-756:


URGING WITHDRAWAL OF AMERICAN TROOPS FROM SOMALIA (House of
Representatives - October 06, 1993)


[Page: H7516](Mr. DORNAN asked and was given permission to address the House
for 1 minute and to revise and extend his remarks.)


Mr. DORNAN. Mr. Speaker, I want to put in the Record the six points that
then-Secretary of Defense Cap Weinberger said should be followed before
American men and women are committed in combat or near a combat area. That
speech was November 28, 1984. The words ring as valid as they did then.


I want to put into the Record the House Republican Policy Committee
statement that was drafted yesterday. It is excellent. Also, I want to
repeat my own words in this well 8 days ago when we were discussing that
weak Somalia resolution. Listen to my words in this well a week ago Tuesday:


`Here is something very sad, Mr. Speaker--Mr. Chairman. Two Pakistani men
are MIA. Can you imagine, if these were American boys, how upset Members of
this Chamber and the U.S. Senate should be? Missing in action. Does that
mean men in some dirty little garage off a Mogadishu alley are being
tortured to death, or does it mean they are already dead, and their bodies
have been dumped down a well, or are rotting behind some blown-up building
in Mogadishu?'


Four days later, that nightmare comes true. One of our American Black Hawk
helicopter men had a handcuff on one wrist. Nobody puts handcuffs on a dead
body. They were tortured to death. Now, get 5,000 men in there and get these
Americans back and then get out.


Mr. Speaker, specifically, I believe the six tests for committing combat
forces, as outlined by former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger in a
November 28, 1984 speech, must be our guide. Secretary Weinberger said that
the following tests should be used to determine whether or not U.S. troops
should be sent into combat:


First. Is the situation vital to U.S. or allied national interests?


Second. Have all other options already been considered or used?


Third. Is there a clear commitment, including allocated resources, to
achieving victory?


Fourth. Are there clearly defined political and military objectives?


Fifth. Will our commitment of forces change if our objectives change?


Sixth. Will the American people and Congress support the action?


Statement of Republican Policy on U.S. Armed Forces in Somalia, Adopted
April 1, 1993


U.S. military forces in Somalia have fulfilled the mission given them by
President Bush. Republicans therefore call on President Clinton to bring our
troops home.


The United States has a proud tradition of providing international
humanitarian assistance to those truly in need. Somalia is a case in point.
In the early 1980's, and again in the early 1990s, the American people and
the U.S. Government responded to famine in Somalia by bringing in massive
quantities of food and medical assistance.


In the last several months, as anarchy gripped that country and famine again
loomed on the horizon, President Bush sent U.S. Armed Forces to Somalia to
restore order and permit food to reach the people. He made a commitment to
withdraw our troops when the mission was completed and return the operation
to the U.N. This process was begun before he left office. The mission has
been accomplished, but our troops remain, and it appears President Clinton
has no intention of bringing them home. Instead, U.N. bureaucrats who want
to keep the United States in Somalia will decide their fate.


Republicans commend our Armed Forces for restoring order to Somalia and for
helping to alleviate human suffering in that country. However, we have
several deep concerns. Without appropriate congressional consultation,
President Clinton has committed thousands of U.S. military personnel to a
U.N. peacekeeping operation commanded by a foreign national for an
indefinite period of time. Our men and women in uniform will provide both
the fighting teeth and the logistical tail for this open-ended operation.


Republicans believe U.S. Armed Forces should always remain under U.S.
command. They should not be loaned to international organizations to conduct
operations with ambiguously defined objectives.


Furthermore, costs to the U.S. taxpayer continue to mount. In addition to
the $800 million in costs already incurred by the U.S., President Clinton
has just committed the taxpayers to another half billion dollars.


The United States is the world's only superpower, but this does not mean we
are omnipotent, nor that our obligations are universal. Republicans believe
that President Bush's commitment to pull our forces out of Somalia should be
fulfilled.
 

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Thank you on the 1993 issue-- I stand corrected---Don't know of any bill on cut and run in Iraq-I need some enlightenment as in 93 issue.

Back to 93 issue. I would not have agreed with rebs. Would have opted for finishing job "correctly". I do not remember exactly why we went in Sololia--which would matter little--once committed you finish the job. You don't take a lick and run--and that goes for Mr Dornan (above) regardless of whatside of fence he is on.
Was informative post on subject--thank you--been blaming Bill alone all these years for retreat and apparently others equally guilty if not more so. Tough job for pres to send troops anywhere--for other side, GOP, in this case to make things harder than they already are for partisan sake is unexcusible.
 

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Master Capper said:
While I do agree with Gore that the Administration has over stepped their boundaries and violated the constitution rights of american citizens, but I do not believe Gore should be calling for impeachment of anyone since he did not call for Clinton's impeachment when he lied under oath. Simply put, you cannot advocate impeachment only when it suits your parties needs! I found Gore's speech to be well thought out and his speaking skills have improved as his tone was very well measured and not robotic as in the past. The link for the text of the speech is below but it sounds better if you listen to it.

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_30422.shtml

The lawsuit being brought by the ACLU in regards to the wire tapping is ridiculous. One of the attorneys bringing the suit for the aclu has stated they have no evidence either way, but that basically they are on a fishing expedition to obtain information.

Lets say that it comes out that the administration was listening to conversations between US citizens and suspected overseas terrorists? Would you capper, djv etc. be upset that they were doing that?
 

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Al is on the right course. Election 06 is coming. Wire tap per the law is wonderful. Any other way is just dead wrong. Then they say we cant wait for the warrant. B S they got three days to go back and get it they don't need to wait. This I'm above the law chit coming from W H last 10 years needs to stop.
 

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Al won't carry TN in 2006, again. :clap:


f'n robot - go write another worthless book. tipper has a better chance of carrying TN's vote in 2006. :s4:
 

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Stevie28,

While I can see your point and feel it has some merits, but no person is above the law and this includes elected offiicals! By allowing any elected officials to circumvent the constitution opens a pandora's box that I really doubt any of us care to see.
 
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