al jazeera gets the scoop again.....imagine that..

[gardenweasel]

Osama has popped up again (on al jazeera of all places!) threatening attacks on the west and offering a “hudna”—the same type of phony islamic “truce” used by hamas, intended to give al qaeda time to regroup and rearm....

Bin Laden Warns of Attacks, Offers Truce.

CAIRO, Egypt - ""Al-Jazeera on Thursday broadcast portions of an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden, saying al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a possible truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan.

The voice on the tape said heightened security in the United States is not the reason there have been no attacks there since the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings.

Instead, the reason is “because there are operations that need preparations,” he said.

“The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. But the operations are happening in Baghdad and you will see them here at home the minute they are through (with preparations), with God’s permission,” he said.

“We do not mind offering you a long-term truce with fair conditions that we adhere to,” he said. “We are a nation that God has forbidden to lie and cheat. [But mass murder? No problem!)... So both sides can enjoy security and stability under this truce so we can build Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been destroyed in this war. There is no shame in this solution, which prevents the wasting of billions of dollars that have gone to those with influence and merchants of war in America.”"""

here`s the kicker.....the associated press photoo caption refers to bin laden as an “exiled saudi dissident"......i guess that`s better than the "erudite and charismatic leader of a rigorous islamic movement." ....lol

kinda like roman polanski?...he`s "an exiled sexual dissident"...

if he`s forbidden by god to" lie and cheat"....and is truly offering a "hudna",then i`d say we`re apparently doing fairly well in the w.o.t......

even though the palestinians didn`t get the memo...they just injured 15 innocents at a fast food stand.....

 

[THE KOD]

yeh give Osama a truce . Tell him we want a sit down.

When he shows up , drop a bunker buster on his ass.

End of story.

 

[gardenweasel]

maybe we can send jimmy carter in to negotiate.....he can sign over iraq and afghanistan for some magic beans.....


sorta sounds like ,maybe,saddam is feeling the pinch in regards to losing several higher profile underlings and would like a "time out" to rearm.......

still,pretty magnanimous of him....

i smell a nobel peace prize in the offing....that`ll more than make up for tookie`s snub...

 

[Nosigar]

Yeah, watch the neo-socialists start demanding peace talks and appeasement.

Dude's hurtin' bad.

:firing: kurby


Aw, what the hell. It's just a plan from the Bush/Bin Laden clan to avert attention from the anti-corruption campaign the dems are going to start.

 

[Mjolnir]

send him to jonestown and beer bong some kool-aid.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Are your sure this is UBL speaking --sounds exactly like-Hilliary-Kennedy-Reid--Dean ect--
Wonder if he's slipping them campaighn contributions??
Will he come out in 08 like he did for Kerry?
Will be interesting to see what Algezeera/NYT report next.


Wonder whose writing who's scripts


In the tape, bin Laden said al Qaeda was willing to "respond" to U.S. public opinion in favor of withdrawing troops from Iraq. He did not specify conditions for the truce, but indicated that it was linked to U.S. troops quitting Iraq.

"Based on the substance of the polls, which indicate Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stand by," he said.

"There is nothing wrong with this solution except that it deprives the influential people and warlords in America from hundreds of billions of dollars -- those who supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars."

 

[gardenweasel]

and there's an interesting admission here:


“The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. But the operations are happening in Baghdad and you will see them here at home the minute they are through, with God’s permission,” he said.

in other words, they're fighting us in iraq instead of here, which is exactly what some have been saying all along.....

we`re getting rid of saddam and keeping al qaeda off off 42nd st?.....

hmmmmm :idea: :yup


of course, he also figures that dean,murtha and the n.y. times have his back here in the states...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Odd he also seems to think also that Iraq is the front for war on terrorism--seems they are finding all kinds of documents now also on pre war training camps for terrorists in Iraq---

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.
The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

 

[kosar]

and there's an interesting admission here:


?The delay in similar operations happening in America has not been because of failure to break through your security measures. But the operations are happening in Baghdad and you will see them here at home the minute they are through, with God?s permission,? he said.

in other words, they're fighting us in iraq instead of here, which is exactly what some have been saying all along.....

we`re getting rid of saddam and keeping al qaeda off off 42nd st?.....

hmmmmm :idea: :yup


of course, he also figures that dean,murtha and the n.y. times have his back here in the states...

I guess we're now taking Bin Ladens statements at face value.

What if he said, '9/11 was a direct result of Dubyas policies?'

I suspect most would dismiss that, eh?

 

[kosar]

Odd he also seems to think also that Iraq is the front for war on terrorism--seems they are finding all kinds of documents now also on pre war training camps for terrorists in Iraq---

THE FORMER IRAQI REGIME OF Saddam Hussein trained thousands of radical Islamic terrorists from the region at camps in Iraq over the four years immediately preceding the U.S. invasion, according to documents and photographs recovered by the U.S. military in postwar Iraq. The existence and character of these documents has been confirmed to THE WEEKLY STANDARD by eleven U.S. government officials.


The secret training took place primarily at three camps--in Samarra, Ramadi, and Salman Pak--and was directed by elite Iraqi military units. Interviews by U.S. government interrogators with Iraqi regime officials and military leaders corroborate the documentary evidence. Many of the fighters were drawn from terrorist groups in northern Africa with close ties to al Qaeda, chief among them Algeria's GSPC and the Sudanese Islamic Army. Some 2,000 terrorists were trained at these Iraqi camps each year from 1999 to 2002, putting the total number at or above 8,000. Intelligence officials believe that some of these terrorists returned to Iraq and are responsible for attacks against Americans and Iraqis. According to three officials with knowledge of the intelligence on Iraqi training camps, White House and National Security Council officials were briefed on these findings in May 2005; senior Defense Department officials subsequently received the same briefing.

I'd LOVE to see the original source of these 'documents.'(and I don't mean The Weekly Standard.) Almost every single piece of intelligence that our intelligence agencies had on Iraq was wrong, so please forgive my cynicism.

The existence might have been confirmed by '11 officials', but the smart money is on that these documents were incorrect like everything else they came up with.

That's almost comical, citing US intelligence on Iraq matters.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I agree with your accessment of Weekly Standard Matt--and wouldn't have put it up here if it reported generalities--but they were specific on #'s and places and doubt they pulled those out of the air.

Now a question for you my friend--with UBL being a ardent student of history on U.S. makig reference to North Korea-Vietnam ect --after reading script above is there ANY doubt which element in our society he is pitching to--is there any doubt whose weakness he is trying to exploit? Its a no brainer.

 

[kosar]

Wayne,

I wasn't really questioning the Weekly Standard(although they *are* the right wings version of Move) or the existence of those docs. My point was that even if they do exist, how much weight can really be put on them. Everything(CIA/DIA/FBI assesments) having to do with Iraq has been wrong/misleading/etc so far. Now we're to believe that there has been no mention of these camps, ever, and three years after the invasion The Weekly Standard has stumbled across this? Yet Bush and co. has never mentioned them, even in their many desperate attempts to justify the invasion? Makes no sense. So what I was really wondering was whose 'intelligence' was this, exactly.

A little later i'll read the transcript and respond to your question. I haven't read it, but i'll assume that he wants us out of the region. That's no real surprise. He's said the same things for 15 years. It's not just the liberal fringe that thinks Iraq was a mistake, just so ya know. It's the majority of our country.

 

[gardenweasel]

i was just pointing out some intersesting little ironies......i have to say...in defense of kosar...i`ve seen different translations from different sources on the net(of bin laden`s speech)...and in the news... they vary a good bit ....

but...from kosar...""I guess we're now taking Bin Ladens statements at face value....

What if he said, '9/11 was a direct result of Dubyas policies?'

I suspect most would dismiss that, eh?""

no......but,i think you`d have to admit that anyone attributing 9/11 to "dubya`s" policies would have to explain why it`s taking bin laden and friends over 4 years to put together another plan....when they figured out a plan to slam 2 passenger jets into the world trade center in around 9 months.... and you`d have to consider that they did this before bush was even in office long enough to implement a foreign policy...

begs credulity,imo...

 

[StevieD]

Are your sure this is UBL speaking --sounds exactly like-Hilliary-Kennedy-Reid--Dean ect--
Wonder if he's slipping them campaighn contributions??


Wayne, are there any quotes to any of these people saying that they would like to negotiate with Bin Laden? Also you say he came out for Kerry when it seems to me that the alleged bin Laden tape that you refer to promised retribution to RED states. So far there has been none and the only state to suffer any attack so far has been a BLUE state. So by your logic old Binney boy must hate the liberal states!
But once again I would love to see if you can deliver at least one quote to back up your position that any of the above ever offered to negotiate with Bin Laden.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Didn't say theyb wanted to negotiate I said his speech was similiar to liberal talking points---
Any of these look familiar--

However, what prompted me to speak are the repeated fallacies of your President Bush in his comment on the outcome of the US opinion polls, which indicated that the overwhelming majority of you want the withdrawal of the forces from Iraq, but he objected to this desire and said that the withdrawal of troops would send a wrong message to the enemy.

Bush said: It is better to fight them on their ground than they fighting us on our ground.

In my response to these fallacies, I say: The war in Iraq is raging, and the operations in Afghanistan are on the rise in our favour, praise be to God.

The Pentagon figures indicate the rise in the number of your dead and wounded, let alone the huge material losses, and let alone the collapse of the morale of the soldiers there and the increase in the suicide cases among them.

So, just imagine the state of psychological breakdown that afflicts the soldier while collecting the remnants of his comrades' dead bodies after they hit mines, which torn them. Following such situation, the soldier becomes between two fires. If he refuses to go out of his military barracks for patrols, he will face the penalties of the Vietnam butcher, and if he goes out, he will face the danger of mines.

So, he is between two bitter situations, something which puts him under psychological pressure - fear, humiliation, and coercion. Moreover, his people are careless about him. So, he has no choice but to commit suicide.

What you hear about him and his suicide is a strong message to you, which he wrote with his blood and soul while pain and bitterness eat him up so that you would save what you can save from this hell. However, the solution is in your hand if you care about them.

The news of our brother mujahideen, however, is different from what is published by the Pentagon.

This news indicates that what is carried by the news media does not exceed what is actually taking place on the ground. What increases doubts on the information of the White House's administration is its targeting of the news media, which carry some facts about the real situation.

Documents have recently showed that the butcher of freedom in the world [US President Bush] had planned to bomb the head office of al-Jazeera Space Channel in the state of Qatar after he bombed its offices in Kabul and Baghdad, although despite its defects, it is [Al-Jazeera] one of your creations.

Jihad is continuing, praise be to God, despite all the repressive measures the US army and its agents take to the point where there is no significant difference between these crimes and those of Saddam.

In fact, reports indicate that the defeat and devastating failure of the ill-omened plan of the four - Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Wolfowitz - and the announcement of this defeat and working it out, is only a matter of time, which is to some extent linked to the awareness of the American people of the magnitude of this tragedy.

The wise ones know that Bush has no plan to achieve his alleged victory in Iraq.

If you compare the small number of the dead when Bush made that false and stupid show-like announcement from an aircraft carrier on the end of the major operations, to many times as much as this number of the killed and injured, who fell in the minor operations, you will know the truth in what I am saying, and that Bush and his administration do not have neither the desire nor the will to withdraw from Iraq for their own dubious reasons.

To go back to where I started, I say that the results of the poll satisfy sane people and that Bush's objection to them is false.

Reality testifies that the war against America and its allies has not remained confined to Iraq, as he claims.

In fact, Iraq has become a point of attraction and recruitment of qualified resources.

On the other hand, the mujahideen, praise be to God, have managed to breach all the security measures adopted by the unjust nations of the coalition time and again.

The evidence of this is the bombings you have seen in the capitals of the most important European countries of this aggressive coalition.

Based on the above, we see that Bush's argument is false. However, the argument that he avoided, which is the substance of the results of opinion polls on withdrawing the troops, is that it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land and for them not to fight us on our land.

There is no defect in this solution other than preventing the flow of hundreds of billions to the influential people and war merchants in America, who supported Bush's election campaign with billions of dollars.

Hence, we can understand the insistence of Bush and his gang to continue the war

Bush declines but to continue lying and practicing injustice [against us], it is useful for you to read the book of "The Rogue State", the introduction of which reads: If I were a president, I would halt the operations against the United States.

First, I will extend my apologies to the widows, orphans, and the persons who were tortured. Afterwards, I will announce that the US interference in the world's countries has ended for ever.
______________________________________________

 

[shamrock]

I still find it embarrassing and unfathomable this guy is still around 5 years later making fuking tapes. WTF! HOW many billions do we have to throw at this to get this guy. To me the world just isn't that big. This shit head needs to get got, if we can't get it done --- and obviously we can't, hire people that can.

 

[THE KOD]

Kinda doubt if the CIA cant find him then it might be a hard thing to do.

I hear he travels mostly by himself. And by motorcycle maybe.

Only communicates by courier. Phones are too dangerous for him.

Damn I bet Osama is really pissed about not being able to be in the world . He cant hardly step out his front door. Too afraid a drone may be flying over zeroing in on his 6'5 self.

What kind of a life is that for him now ?

 

[gardenweasel]

btw...that suicide bombing in tel aviv was the 6th since the "truce" was signed....