Kobes 81 better than Wilts 100

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I got up this morning and saw it in the paper, and remembered I'd tivo'd the game. Watching it today was mind blowing.

Imagine if he didn't sit out half the second quarter? (6 straight minutes on the bench). Espn insider ran this.....comparing his night to Wilts. I was unaware that Wilts teammates fouled the opponent to stop the clock and get the ball back to Wilt for much of the 4th quarter.

100 better than 81? Not so fast......

Seems at first glance that Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point night in 1962 is far superior to Kobe Bryant's 81-point game Sunday. After all, Bryant still needed 19 more points -- roughly Pau Gasol's average -- just to catch the Dipper.
But if you stack the two games side by side, you'll come to the startling realization that Bryant's performance was actually far superior. Breaking the two games down by the numbers, it quickly becomes apparent what a dominant night Kobe had. Consider the facts:

Bryant was more efficient. Bryant needed 46 shot attempts and 20 free throws to get 81 points. Chamberlain needed 63 field-goal attempts and 32 free-throw tries to get his 100. Bryant's true shooting percentage for the night was 73.9 percent; Chamberlain's was only 63.9 percent.
Bryant's performance was more real. In Chamberlain's game, the Warriors intentionally fouled the Knicks in the final minute of play to get the ball back for another Chamberlain try at the century mark. Only on his third try did he get to 100. At the time, his team was comfortably ahead, as it was for the entire second half, and it won 169-147. Bryant, on the other hand, got almost all his points when they were desperately needed, as his team trailed by 18 early in the third quarter.
Bryant needed fewer minutes. If you want to really be amazed, consider the fact that Kobe sat out for six minutes in the second quarter. So Bryant scored his 81 points in only 42 minutes, while Wilt played the full 48 in his 100-point effort. Had he played for an additional six minutes and scored at the same rate (hardly an unreasonable assumption, given how much gas he appeared to have at the end), Kobe would have finished with 93 points. Yes, 93.
The game was different. Of all the differences between Bryant's game and Chamberlain's, this one is perhaps the biggest. Chamberlain's game ended up 169-147, Bryant's 122-104. Obviously, there was a huge difference in the speed of play, and that meant Chamberlain had far more opportunities to score than Bryant did.
Chamberlain's game featured 233 field-goal attempts versus 164 for Bryant's, and 93 free-throw attempts to 60 for Bryant's. We have no data on turnovers and offensive rebounds for Chamberlain's game, but based on the numbers I just mentioned, we can estimate there were 46 percent more possessions in the Chamberlain game than in the Kobe game.
If that's the case, we need to inflate Kobe's numbers by 46 percent to get an accurate idea of what it equates to in Chamberlain's era. The answer? An unbelievable 118 points. And if we add in six extra minutes for Bryant, we end up with the mind-boggling total of 135. By one player. In one game.
Another way to look at it is by deflating Chamberlain's numbers by a similar amount. If we change his currency into "2006 points," so to speak, the Stilt ends up with 68 points -- still an awesome performance, but clearly not on a level with Kobe's 81-point outburst. And once you adjust for the 48 minutes Chamberlain played vs. Kobe's 42, you end up with 60 points for Wilt -- or just a bit more than Kobe rang up in the second half.
So when our Marc Stein says this is the most amazing performance ever, believe it. Once you adjust for the differences in pace between the two eras and the fact that Bryant sat out for six minutes, even Chamberlain's monumental 100-point game pales by comparison. For basketball historians, Bryant's effort is now the scoring effort against which all others should be measured
 
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no way, 100 points and 25 rebounds any day over 81 and 6 boards. No 3 point shot and they slowed the game down and used all of the shot clock to try to keep Wilt from scoring 100 points. They won't be changing the rules because of Kobe. All Wilt did was double his season average for one night. No big deal. Kobe such a team player had 2 assists just like the other night when he had a big night but zero assists. Ball hog who should be wearing stripes.

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no way, 100 points and 25 rebounds any day over 81 and 6 boards. No 3 point shot and they slowed the game down and used all of the shot clock to try to keep Wilt from scoring 100 points. They won't be changing the rules because of Kobe. All Wilt did was double his season average for one night. No big deal. Kobe such a team player had 2 assists just like the other night when he had a big night but zero assists. Ball hog who should be wearing stripes.

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this is from another topic but this is the perfect counterpoint, many thanks to ballsweat for this insight

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"Out of all the SG in the NBA Kobe is tied for 4th in the league in assists averaging 4.3 per game. Those ahead of him are Wade, Joe Johnson, Ricky Davis, and he is tied with Vinsanity.

With all the selfishness chatter he still is averaging a few dimes per game and for his career averages 4.4 per game.

Historically, Jordan averaged 5.3 apg. Not a great discrepancy and we cannot forget that when Jordan was the age of Kobe, Jordan was learning about the team concept and taking his lumps.

There is plenty of vision that says that Kobe may develop an appreciation for a more complete team game but at this time he is spreading his wings. He wanted his own team and finds himself in the same area as Jordan from 85-90.

Hopefully he will assimilate and learn to trust his 'supporting cast.'"
 

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Tom Meschery (teammate): By the fourth quarter, the Knicks were waiting until the 24-second shot clock was about to expire before they shot. When we had the ball, they were fouling everyone except Wilt so he wouldn't get 100. So we would take the ball out-of-bounds and throw high lobs directly to Wilt near the basket. When Wilt wanted the ball, he was big enough and strong enough to go get it. Guys were hanging on his back, and he was still catching the pass and scoring. I knew it was going to happen when with about five minutes left Wilt dunked one and nearly threw two New York players into the basket with the ball, and Dave Zinkoff yelled over the PA, "Dipper Dunk for 86!"

Richie Guerin (Knick): they can complain about us fouling people, but Frank McGuire sent some subs into the game and they were fouling us immediately to get the ball back and give Wilt some more chances.

Pete D'Ambrosio (official): The game was a real pain in the neck to call. The last three minutes of the game took about 20 minutes. The Knicks were jumping on guys just to keep the ball away from Wilt. Then New York would get the ball, and Philly would foul.

Al Attles (teammate): Frank McGuire told Wilt, "You bring the ball up the court." Wilt liked to think he could play guard, so he loved it. But Frank did that down the stretch so that if New York wanted to foul someone, it had to be Wilt.

Harvey Pollack (PR Man): Darrell Imhoff started at center against Wilt, but he fouled out and played only about half the game. By the end of the game, all of their big men had fouled out.
 

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Kobe just wishes he could score like Wilt on and off the court. With out the rape cahrges that is!!!

Did Kobe have 2 assist or not? The other night when he scored 62 did he have zero assists or not. Just stating the facts.
 

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1 Steve Nash , PHX 40 37.3 458 11.4 163 4.1 14.7 2.81
2 Baron Davis , GSW 37 38.1 340 9.2 107 2.9 11.6 3.18
3 Chauncey Billups , DET 38 35.7 327 8.6 82 2.2 11.6 3.99
4 Andre Miller , DEN 42 36.8 353 8.4 128 3.0 11.0 2.76
5 Brevin Knight , CHA 38 32.1 317 8.3 70 1.8 12.5 4.53
6 Jason Kidd , NJN 38 36.3 301 7.9 93 2.4 10.5 3.24
7 Chris Paul , NOK 39 35.8 292 7.5 87 2.2 10.0 3.36
8 Allen Iverson , PHI 40 43.2 296 7.4 128 3.2 8.2 2.31
9 Stephon Marbury , NYK 36 39.4 251 7.0 102 2.8 8.5 2.46
10 Dwyane Wade , MIA 40 38.7 278 7.0 134 3.4 8.6 2.08
11 Kirk Hinrich , CHI 39 36.2 256 6.6 94 2.4 8.7 2.72
12 Sam Cassell , LAC 37 34.7 242 6.5 88 2.4 9.0 2.75
13 Luke Ridnour , SEA 38 32.8 247 6.5 75 2.0 9.5 3.29
14 T.J. Ford , MIL 33 36.5 212 6.4 106 3.2 8.5 2.0
15 Gilbert Arenas , WAS 38 41.3 236 6.2 146 3.8 7.2 1.62
16 LeBron James , CLE 38 41.7 234 6.2 123 3.2 7.1 1.9
17 Boris Diaw , PHX 40 33.0 242 6.0 89 2.2 8.8 2.72
18 Tony Parker , SAS 41 35.1 244 6.0 130 3.2 8.1 1.88
19 Joe Johnson , ATL 38 38.3 218 5.7 122 3.2 7.2 1.79
20 Chris Duhon , CHI 39 32.6 217 5.6 58 1.5 8.2 3.74
21 Lamar Odom , LAL 41 39.4 228 5.6 106 2.6 6.8 2.15
22 Mike Bibby , SAC 40 37.4 220 5.5 100 2.5 7.1 2.2
23 Marko Jaric , MIN 38 33.9 207 5.4 80 2.1 7.7 2.59
24 Brad Miller , SAC 40 36.8 212 5.3 93 2.3 6.9 2.28
25 Jose Calderon , TOR 36 26.5 190 5.3 69 1.9 9.6 2.75
26 Ricky Davis , BOS 40 41.7 209 5.2 107 2.7 6.0 1.95
27 Mike James , TOR 39 34.5 202 5.2 85 2.2 7.2 2.38
28 Kevin Garnett , MIN 38 39.0 184 4.8 86 2.3 6.0 2.14
29 Paul Pierce , BOS 40 39.0 188 4.7 130 3.2 5.8 1.45
30 Speedy Claxton , NOK 38 28.5 172 4.5 87 2.3 7.6 1.98
31 Jameer Nelson , ORL 37 27.8 164 4.4 93 2.5 7.7 1.76
32 Deron Williams , UTA 40 27.6 175 4.4 78 2.0 7.6 2.24
33 Pau Gasol , MEM 39 39.2 168 4.3 112 2.9 5.3 1.5
34 Maurice Williams , MIL 35 30.3 150 4.3 72 2.1 6.8 2.08
35 Kobe Bryant , LAL 39 40.4 167 4.3 117 3.0 5.1 1.4


Kobe number 35 in the league with 4.3 assistsright ahead of that team player Vince carter at number 36.
 
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Looking at guards in the NBA ranked by assist per game. Of the top 50 guards in the NBA, Kobe ranks 42 in assists per 48 minute game at 5.1. Can you say ball hog?
 

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Ridiculous .

I saw somewhere today, not sure of accuracy, that Kobe averages missing more shots per game than all but 5 players take in a game.
 

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Looking at guards in the NBA ranked by assist per game. Of the top 50 guards in the NBA, Kobe ranks 42 in assists per 48 minute game at 5.1. Can you say ball hog?


who do you want him to pass the ball too. he does pass the ball. its not his fault he's surrounded by players that wouldn't start on any other team. odom has never developed with what talent he has. who else can he dish the rock too? chris mihm? luke walton? sasha vuusyawhatever? mushmouth?

you don't have to like kobe, and i don't blame anyone if they don't. but you can't take away what he did last night, and how good he truly is to take an absolute garbage team and make them competitve. even in line for a playoff spot.

i don't know if it was better than wilts and it really doesn't matter. it was a special game and you should be glad you saw it if you did. you can hate him all you want, but you watched something special. he alone overcame an 18 pt. 3rd quarter deficit.

buss made the right decision keeping him over shaq. you can see it now shaq is aging quicker than expected and kobe has 6 or 7 prime years left.

he may be a ball hog, but no bigger than iverson, and hes got much more game. hes the best right now. not fair to compare him to others until his career is over.

hate away, and i don't blame you. but don't tell me you want him to pass more, when they wouldn't even have 5 wins as a team without him. that team has no one on it worth a damn.

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Can you say ball hog?

How can you get assists when no one else on the team can consistenly score???

If he was so selfish he would expend so much energy on D. He consistently on the all-defensive team & one of the top defenders in the NBA. He can play little quick guards like AI or play D on a 6-9 forward as well.

He averages for his a career a respectable, for a SG/SF 4.4 APG.

Some people just can not get over thier personal bias.
 
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I don't know why Kobe gets bashed as much as he does. Jordan was a god. (small g).... And Kobe, even before the misadventure in Colorado and the break up with Shaq, gets pounded way out of proportion.

He scores 62 and because the team is up by 35 he sits out all of the 4th quarter....and gets pounded for not having a sense of history and going for it.

He screwed up in not realizing how much Shaq meant to the team.....how Shaq's inside game complemented his jumpshot. OK.....he needed to play without Shaq to learn the lesson.

But come on.............this is the nba's 60th year. Which would be roughly 134,000 games (its less because the leagues total number of teams has varied and I used the current total).............AND THIS IS THE SECOND HIGHEST POINT TOTAL EVER!!!! The guy has a bad ankle and because of it he sits out half of the second quarter and still puts in 81 points. 55 in the second half. Wilt needed almost 100 shots, 63 fg and 32 ft.....Kobe only 66 (46 and 20).....and instead of a parade, and astronaut treatment hes getting sniped for being a gunner.

We ought to appreciate him.....like MJ, TIGER AND AROD hes special, one of the dominant players of our generation and years from now we'll be telling people Kobe stories.
 

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I will interject by saying I think Kobe is a prick. He single handedly tore down the Lakers dynasty and ended their great run.

However, what he did was absolutely amazing. 81 points taking the shots he was taking and scoring the way he did was far more impressive tha Wilt scoring 2 feet from the basket with 6'5 guys guarding him.

But again, this is just my humble opinion.
 
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