Question about keeping track of percentages

[Clem D]

Im kind of obsessed with keeping accurate records in my threads and I was wondering when it comes to percentages do you guys normally throw pushes out of your percentage or factor them in?

example 33-20-2 with the pushes factored in comes to 60%

If you throw the pushes out it is 62.26%

I have always used pushes in my percentage but when you think about it there are two schools of thought.

Any opinions?

 

[vinnie]

it's wins and losses that make & break the bankroll dump the pushes

 

[AR182]

clem.....

i don't know if i'm correct but i don't count pushes....

do what you're comfortable doing.....doesn't really matter.

 

[dogface]

Pushes become a non-bet for everyone. Nothing exchanges hands, treat it as the game was never played. So exclude the pushes. (I have always keep track of them, but there is little to now value in them being added to a percentage for you!)


TSI

 

[homedog]

Im kind of obsessed with keeping accurate records in my threads and I was wondering when it comes to percentages do you guys normally throw pushes out of your percentage or factor them in?

example 33-20-2 with the pushes factored in comes to 60%

If you throw the pushes out it is 62.26%

I have always used pushes in my percentage but when you think about it there are two schools of thought.

Any opinions?

33-20-2 countng pushes = 60%
33-22 = 60%

I'll take the 33-20-2 all day.

 

[Clem D]

33-20-2 countng pushes = 60%
33-22 = 60%

I'll take the 33-20-2 all day.

my bad I wrote that wrong

33-20 =62.26% was what i meant.


Sorry

 

[GM]

Don't count them. Keep track of them for interest's sake sure, but don't include them in the percentages.

My reasoning - If you were to count each push as half a win and half a loss, then when you had two pushes you'd be adding 1 to each column. But adding 1-1 to any record brings that percentage closer to 50%, regardless of whether you were above or below 50% beforehand. So it doesn't make much sense to count them, because (assuming you are picking over 50%), those 2 pushes are lowering your pick percentage, but not having any effect on your $ bottom line. Adding them in is not correct because you are not paying juice on these two "half losses".

I don't know if that made sense to you, but it made sense in my head.

 

[Blackman]

Don't count them. Keep track of them for interest's sake sure, but don't include them in the percentages.

My reasoning - If you were to count each push as half a win and half a loss, then when you had two pushes you'd be adding 1 to each column. But adding 1-1 to any record brings that percentage closer to 50%, regardless of whether you were above or below 50% beforehand. So it doesn't make much sense to count them, because (assuming you are picking over 50%), those 2 pushes are lowering your pick percentage, but not having any effect on your $ bottom line. Adding them in is not correct because you are not paying juice on these two "half losses".

I don't know if that made sense to you, but it made sense in my head.

Makes sense to me and I agree. Keep them for recording keeping purposes, I don't know if you chart risk amounts but as far as win % it's just a cancelled wager in my opinion.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Depends how you use them or what your purpose is.

If you go 30-20-2 it isnt true to say "I win 60%." It would also be untrue against you to say "I lose 40% of the time." So to the extent it is to tout a recod IMO you have to count them.

If you calculate a team's win percentage in a sport with ties (old days of hockey and NFL) a tie was always 1/2 win and 1/2 loss. So I can see an argument to do that under those circumstances.

But keep in mind for every push you have some guy following probably won or lost. The average guy putting his plays out there is going to use the best line possible, so more often than not the guy following will lose or push rather than win. If I am following a guy I would have to presume a number of pushes might be losses for me ...it would be something I would want to know. I dont think I would look at a guy who is say 30-20-6 as a 60% capper. Part of why I dont post a line is that my line doesnt mean dick to the guy following me and I aint putting out a play where a half-point decides whether I play it or not. I am not playing an NCAA hoops game at +9 but willat +9.5 is just absurd to me.

Obviously money wise it is irrelevant. If it is for your own purposes, it is irrelevant unless you want to drive yourself crazy with pushes that should have won.

So bottom line you post the record, not sure why you need a percentage. if they guys here cant do the math...

 

[moe777]

i dont cout them.its a cancelled bet.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'm with the don't count em's-Clem

--Nice job on the college foots--I might add.

 

[thom24ad]

I always counted the push as a loss due to the fact that I lose juice on a push...I'm just like you Clem I had every single play I made this season on an excel spreadsheet with %s scores and the whole nine...and lost it fawking around on the computer and was unable to recover it...why didn't I save it to a disk!?!...it really really sucked...but I don't see the harm in either way of doing it

 

[jpblack34]

I always counted the push as a loss due to the fact that I lose juice on a push...I'm just like you Clem I had every single play I made this season on an excel spreadsheet with %s scores and the whole nine...and lost it fawking around on the computer and was unable to recover it...why didn't I save it to a disk!?!...it really really sucked...but I don't see the harm in either way of doing it

you lose juice on a push? Is that thru a local? Never heard of that before.

 

[thom24ad]

Yup, through my local...the guy has fawked me on my page with a couple plays this year too where our figures were different...Next season I'm going to use the net as my book...its just so much better and I'll be able to jump on some of those early lines I can't get with my local

 

[Smitty]

jpblack, i gotta say... that's the first time in a while somebody's avatar has made me laugh.

thom, you're getting royally screwed. that's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.

 

[jpblack34]

thanks, gotta love the king.

 

[thom24ad]

thom, you're getting royally screwed. that's one of the most ridiculous things i've ever heard.

I know I'm fawking pissed and some of the lines I get are terrible...I am teasing Pitt and the Under just cause I know when I call the game in he'll have in at almost 6...A lot of Pitt backers here in Columbus so I feeling he'll move the line pretty significantly...and I already know what your saying then why not take Seattle plus the points...but I really don't think Seattle wins this game which worries about the points...So I want to play Pitt and not to get raped on the spread I am teasing the game to Pitt plus the points and Under 54...I don't know what else do but after the SB I'm hopefully collecting and then closing my page...I've been lucky this season and I'm up on him so he is going to be pissed

 

[Mr. Black Cat]

Throw them out

Throw them out

Although I keep track of my pushes, I don't include them in my overall win percentage.

Looks like we have a strong consensus here.

 

[hawkeye]

Forgetthe pushes-they don't count-don't lose or win you $$