unc 29 free throws to 9 for clemson?
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In a game that was never close.
As opposed to 42-11 in a game that goes Overtime with some very bad calls, on the heels of incredibly bad pro Duke calls in the BC game.
No question Carolina gets to play 8 on 5 most of the time.
It doesnt even come close to the advantage Duke repeatedly is given.
As opposed to 42-11 in a game that goes Overtime with some very bad calls, on the heels of incredibly bad pro Duke calls in the BC game.
No question Carolina gets to play 8 on 5 most of the time.
It doesnt even come close to the advantage Duke repeatedly is given.
Sheldon Williams would foul out of any game with decent officiating. Never seen anything like it.
looks like texas got 39 free throws today. how can fsu get to the line when duke let them shoot layups all afternoon. you also don't get to the foul line when you[fsu] jump over the defender to get offensive rebounds . this is not the same duke team defense that has been played where you might get more fouls called. duke's only defense is offense. granted the william's foul vs boston college should have been called but they were up 3 and it is doubtful that call won the game for duke. however it was a potential game deciding no call today when williams took charge at end of ot but it wasn't called.Sun Tzu said:
check out the link www.kenpom.com/pointdist.php?y=2006&s=11 duke gets 22% of its points from foul line and their opposition gets 15% from the line and yet 67%{ highest in country] from 2 pt shots. unc gets 21.1 % from the line and gives up 15.9 % to opposition. there are many teams in the country that have shot more free throws than duke. by the way if i am reading the chart correctly, duke is 52nd in the country in regards to the % of it's offense production from free throws. looks like they are alot of other ref conspiracies out there across the country and not just in durham.
I've never said UNC didn't get calls over the years. Just been saying that Duke over the last decade has taken things to an extreme that maybe no team in any sport has ever seen.
Sorry, but as has been said, this is a very bad example to compare to Duke's bullshit the last several games. UNC was up 14-2 and the game was never close.
I think Sun Tzu said it best in his reply post. Yes, UNC has gotten their share of calls over the years. Not nearly as much since Dean retired. But no comparison b/t Duke and anyone over the last 10 years. Its downright criminal.
Sorry, but as has been said, this is a very bad example to compare to Duke's bullshit the last several games. UNC was up 14-2 and the game was never close.
I think Sun Tzu said it best in his reply post. Yes, UNC has gotten their share of calls over the years. Not nearly as much since Dean retired. But no comparison b/t Duke and anyone over the last 10 years. Its downright criminal.
most southern bible thumping zealots go to church on sunday. find me a more important call than the villanova call that perhaps helped unc get title or the non call on the jordan push off versus cleveland or the hack on stockton by jordan in pivotal playoff game. check the stats. duke scores 22 percent of points on fts. unc scores 21.1 percent.TouchdownJesus said:
God is everywhere. I don't knock church. I probably should go. But, I'm sure there are a lot of church-goers who spend an hour a week there and the other 6 days, 23 hours being selfish hypocrits.
Overall, I love Jordan. But, his last few years with the Bulls....man, that crap was unreal. I was actually going to reference Jordan's Bulls from 1996-98 when I said I hadn't seen anyone in any sport get calls like that.
Jordan owned the whole game. Jordan wants a foul? Whistle blows. Jordan pushes off. No call. Jordan plays illegal defense? Who cares. Breathe on Jordan....foul. He'd shoot like 10-for-25 and come out with 40 points b/c of free throws. Sounds a little like Redick lately.
And people praised him for it. Now, of course he was the best player on the court every night. But, it was utterly ridiculous. I liked him a lot better when he came back for the Wizards.
I don't have all the stats but you can't just compare %age of free throws.
Also, 42-11 is a huge telling stat. FSU was going to the basket a lot. You say that Duke's defense was bad. Well, if it was Duke, those easy lay-ups would have been followed by FT's most of the time.
I know your defending your team. I've done the same with UNC in the past. But, its just to the point where K is bigger than the game and I can't take it anymore.
And, remember I posted a few weeks ago how I didn't mind this Duke team from a "UNC hatred" in years past. But, every game I watch is just laughable. You also have to factor in no-calls with calls and other things. Its disgraceful.
Overall, I love Jordan. But, his last few years with the Bulls....man, that crap was unreal. I was actually going to reference Jordan's Bulls from 1996-98 when I said I hadn't seen anyone in any sport get calls like that.
Jordan owned the whole game. Jordan wants a foul? Whistle blows. Jordan pushes off. No call. Jordan plays illegal defense? Who cares. Breathe on Jordan....foul. He'd shoot like 10-for-25 and come out with 40 points b/c of free throws. Sounds a little like Redick lately.
And people praised him for it. Now, of course he was the best player on the court every night. But, it was utterly ridiculous. I liked him a lot better when he came back for the Wizards.
I don't have all the stats but you can't just compare %age of free throws.
Also, 42-11 is a huge telling stat. FSU was going to the basket a lot. You say that Duke's defense was bad. Well, if it was Duke, those easy lay-ups would have been followed by FT's most of the time.
I know your defending your team. I've done the same with UNC in the past. But, its just to the point where K is bigger than the game and I can't take it anymore.
And, remember I posted a few weeks ago how I didn't mind this Duke team from a "UNC hatred" in years past. But, every game I watch is just laughable. You also have to factor in no-calls with calls and other things. Its disgraceful.
Duke has won one title in the last 14 years.
It was won by the two worst officiated Final Four games ever - totally handed to Duke. Two games worth of important calls and non-calls.
Whatever calls are made in the NBA is fairly irrelevant to this discussion.
If you cant admit those two games, then you dont have any credibility on this question.
All that "percentage of points" stuff is just nonsense and stat distortion. One only has to watch the games. Besides, the bigger problem is the lack of calls against Duke - that has nothing to do with how many free throws Duke shoots.
It was won by the two worst officiated Final Four games ever - totally handed to Duke. Two games worth of important calls and non-calls.
Whatever calls are made in the NBA is fairly irrelevant to this discussion.
If you cant admit those two games, then you dont have any credibility on this question.
All that "percentage of points" stuff is just nonsense and stat distortion. One only has to watch the games. Besides, the bigger problem is the lack of calls against Duke - that has nothing to do with how many free throws Duke shoots.
i would you suggest you spend less time with your big 12 picks and more time petitioning the ncaa or your local congressman to start an investigation. to blame duke because of what a referee does or did is nonsense and you know it. what should coach k do- tell his players to miss foul shots on purpose? by the way tarhole fans need to stop their whining and plead their case with john swofford the ex unc quarterback and athletic director who is acc commissioner.
how about the ball going off williams and out of bounds in the waning seconds yesterday. not to worry, they gave it to duke. incredible. in the bc game, who cares if duke "probably" would have won anyway bullshit regarding the no call on williams. if that happened against duke, thats a flagrant foul, ejection, 4 foul shots,suspension, blah ,blah,blah.
are you guys fans or does anybody here referee at any level?
most of it has to do with the style of teams and where the shots come from. Duke and Carolina both attack the hoop and that is why they get calls and shot free throws more than their opponents.
So until you guys put on the stripes dont cry about calls and like at it from both sides instead of always from a fan or who you have money on that night.
most of it has to do with the style of teams and where the shots come from. Duke and Carolina both attack the hoop and that is why they get calls and shot free throws more than their opponents.
So until you guys put on the stripes dont cry about calls and like at it from both sides instead of always from a fan or who you have money on that night.
Recently....I won on GeorgeTown, GeorgeTown moneyline, I pushed on Duke/Virginia, I won on BC, BC halftime, and FSU. Lost by a point on VaTech.
No complaints on winning money.
Just to comment on your referree reply....FSU took it strong to the basket all night. 11 free throws. Your post makes no sense.
No complaints on winning money.
Just to comment on your referree reply....FSU took it strong to the basket all night. 11 free throws. Your post makes no sense.
shark said:
They just like to argue about this. If they didn't this thread wouldn't be here. It serves no prupose.
they took 85 shots mostly uncontested layups and offensive rebounds. hard to get fouled when your defender is 2 feet behind you. congrats to unc not letting clemson even get to the foul line in first half .TouchdownJesus said:
