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[shamrock]

Nick Douglas, are you insane? Racism my ass. After all this time away you return to post a beauty like this?

Does anyone remember in 1999 when we had perfect chance in Afghanistan to kill OBL, but couldn't do it because he was meeting WITH THE ROYALS & PRINCIPLES OF THE UAE. in a terror camp in Afghanistan having private secret meetings withOBL,what do you figure they were meeting about? Fuk these militant Arabs, and fuk UAE.

 

[Chadman]

I thought UAB was a great team a few years ago. They played good defense under Bartow. Maybe that's what Dubbya is referring to.

 

[gardenweasel]

stevie....dawgball said that things were getting slow around here with smurph and myself agreeing so much of late.....

just lobbing a few over the bow to get things back on an even keel......

btw...."CALLING KOSAR"......"CALLING KOSAR".....

i know they made some arrests in cleveland.....i sure hope "smurphy`s alter ego" knows we can be counted on for help with the bail....

 

[gardenweasel]

hey stevie...this one`s for you....

rush limbaugh thinks we're all racists who oppose the u.a.e.deal......

AND.... he complains the democrats won't allow profiling in the u.s.....

can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Out of curiousity can anyone tell me what part the EUA will be playing in this role--can anyone give me job description of British prior to being bought. I certainly can't find but VERY little on it yet.
Personally I am on the fence untill I find out more details--I do feel that with Muslims waging war against every religion on earth and every part of the world--that they believe mass killing of civilians is alla's will ci--that as little as a cartoon justifies mass killings ect
--that they need to be profiled with exteme prejudice everwhere they exist--

 

[kosar]

stevie....dawgball said that things were getting slow around here with smurph and myself agreeing so much of late.....

just lobbing a few over the bow to get things back on an even keel......

btw...."CALLING KOSAR"......"CALLING KOSAR".....

i know they made some arrests in cleveland.....i sure hope "smurphy`s alter ego" knows we can be counted on for help with the bail....

lol-Was traveling and off the net since tuesday. Just catching up. What can I say other than my friend Nick always manages to piss off both sides of any issue?

No, it's not racism. It's just common sense. Just like profiling.

 

[dawgball]

Hot DAMN! I was getting ready to put an APB out on your ass, Matt. With all of the shit that has been flying lately I was sure there was a lesson to be learned from either Saved by the Bell or 90210 somewhere.

 

[smurphy]

Not SBTB or 90210, but I'm pretty sure it was Melrose Place that had an excellect episode dealing with profiling. That Billy guy was being profiled because a similar looking dumb white guy was robbing banks. He cried discrimination and it really split the apartment complex's loyalties. I had no sympathy for him since he was sleeping with that hot chick.

 

[Nick Douglas]

I have a hard time seeing how this is *not* racisim. If the country was run by Whites, Blacks, Asians or Jews, this wouldn't be a problem. Since it's run by Arabs, it is.

The arguments about the behavior of people from UAE before the WTC attacks are a joke. The U.S., along with most of its allies, have changed tremendously since then. The U.A.E. is included there.

I really think in most long term relationships, a moment of truth has to come at some point. Are we going to allow ourselves to be friends with any country that treats us well or are we going to shut people out who are a different race?

Also, I hate how profiling at airports is getting lumped in here. Security at these ports is still controlled by DHS. These two issues really have nothing to do with each other. One is about the way our specific security protocols and one is about allowing ourselves to do business with friendly Arab countries.

 

[smurphy]

I have a hard time seeing how this is *not* racisim. If the country was run by Whites, Blacks, Asians or Jews, this wouldn't be a problem. Since it's run by Arabs, it is.

Incorrect - I certainly wouldn't want many different countries to have access and influence over our ports. Britain is even marginal. Some things really need to be controlled as much as possible from within.

The race of the people within the country has nothing to do with this. It's all about type of government, ties to terrorists, and a religious loyalty that has yet to be transcended to the point of being trusted with such a vulnerable and potentially dangerous target.

Basically, this should be common sense.

 

[gardenweasel]

nick...all due respect....and thanks for stirring the pot...it`s not popular taking your position....


it`s not anti-arab.....but,i have to admit to not totally trusting muslims whatever their race.....

it could come from having grown up listening to muslims chanting "death to america" all my freaking life, culminating in 9-11.....

sorry, but condemning me for that is like condemning an african american for having an anti-klan bias.....

hell, I also have an anti-klan bias, and I'm not african american.....

when they lay the cornerstone for the first synagogue next to the first baptist church of mecca, get back with me........when people named ali quit blowing themselves up to kill little jewish girls, get back to me...

actually, when people named ali condemn people who blow themselves up to kill little jewish girls, or innocent hard working americans,get back with me.

until then,the racism and islamophobia crap doesn`t resonate....

islam isn't a race, and it is not irrational to be afraid of people who are seeking nuclear weapons so they can blow other democracies off the face of the earth,that cut off people's heads,stone women to death,hang homosexuals in soccer stadiums, and have sworn to kill you.....

I call it prudence.

 

[ELVIS]

nick...all due respect....and thanks for stirring the pot...it`s not popular taking your position....


it`s not anti-arab.....but,i have to admit to not totally trusting muslims whatever their race.....

it could come from having grown up listening to muslims chanting "death to america" all my freaking life, culminating in 9-11.....

sorry, but condemning me for that is like condemning an african american for having an anti-klan bias.....

hell, I also have an anti-klan bias, and I'm not african american.....

when they lay the cornerstone for the first synagogue next to the first baptist church of mecca, get back with me........when people named ali quit blowing themselves up to kill little jewish girls, get back to me...

actually, when people named ali condemn people who blow themselves up to kill little jewish girls, or innocent hard working americans,get back with me.

until then,the racism and islamophobia crap doesn`t resonate....

islam isn't a race, and it is not irrational to be afraid of people who are seeking nuclear weapons so they can blow other democracies off the face of the earth,that cut off people's heads,stone women to death,hang homosexuals in soccer stadiums, and have sworn to kill you.....

I call it prudence.

agreed. if you support a violent religion and have a history of violence than you are always a threat.imo until you change the wording in your holy book and stop hurting people - especially torturing many of your own people - you are dangerous.

recently saw a 9yr old girl harrassed at an airport in atl - sad. her father was about to come unglued. 2 parents and 5 kids..... certainly a dangerous lot....

 

[SixFive]

recently saw a 9yr old girl harrassed at an airport in atl - sad. her father was about to come unglued. 2 parents and 5 kids..... certainly a dangerous lot....

Nick and Private Petey think this is ok though. Heck, let's check out 9 year old Jessica and make her take off her KEDS, but it's ok to let Habib Ali el Muhammed waltz right on. Doesn't make sense. I'll admit to being an Islamophobe. I'm scared to death of those idiots. :fingerc: them and their bombs!

 

[Nick Douglas]

Elvis, you're clueless. Sadly, many other people are equally clueless. You are probably one of those morons who thought that we would waltz into Iraq and crush Saddam in six months or less.

I think a problem I see in this thread is a common problem among conservatives. They don't understand human nature. When people are oppressed, they revolt. Whether that oppression is based on money, freedom or religion, it hardly matters. Most people that are anti-Muslim had no clue about the Muslim world until they heinously attacked the WTC and Pentagon.

My point is that you can't justify attacks on civilians and riots over cartoons. The people who perpetrate those attacks need to be punished. But to solve the greater problem, you also have to look at what *you* are doing to cause these oppressed people to revolt. People who get their information from a source other than Fox News sometimes begin to understand this.

 

[ELVIS]

i am clueless? i copy/paste and i am a moron as well? nick, the fact you assume i agree with the war in iraq is clueless. i do not want my soldiers in iraq - period. i am sick of bush as our president as well. i am conservative and i am concerned about our borders,security etc. have you ever read the koran, at all? do you not realize they are dedicated to the destruction of western civilization (islam here)? i have never defended the war in this forum, nor am i a blind bush supporter. so how am i clueless? or a moron. very dissapointed in your challenge. you have discredited your opinion with insults/name calling immediately.... moon1

have you ever read the story of jacob and ishmael? one was the father of the jews and the other was the father of the arabs. they were 1/2 brothers. they have always fought and will always fight. that is the way it is and the way it will always be.


how is it, that i do not trust the islam nation, it is an extremist group, and i am not intelligent?

 

[dawgball]

Nick -- I think your points are as valid as the poster, Charles Manson, just the opposite viewpoint.

You must live in an absolute bubble to think that the views you have expressed in this thread are valid.

You really discredit yourself when you are blanketing everyone in this thread as only getting their news from Fox. There are an equal number of liberals and conservatives alike in this thread that are completely against this. Actually, if you had read most people's take it is the people on the left that are more heated than the people on the right about this.

But I'm sure you still feel that you are above everyone here in intelligence, so it won't really matter what is the actual case.

How do you think I would be handled (white, conservative, Catholic, buisness owner, father, husband, American) if I started publically stating that I wanted to and planned on killing every Westerner I know? And then how much would that escalate when people associated with me actually started carrying out those acts? Then when I, as the leading voice of myself, actually defended those acts, how would this effect people's views of me? Would you be at MY defense when authorities and the general public started mentioning the fact that I might need to monitored as a threat?

If your answer is yes to the last question, then it completes my picture of you.

 

[djv]

Elvis said it very well. And we do need more protection here at home. After all we have some very strange folks among us. How many Church's in the south have been set a fire in last month 7,8 maybe 9. What is it in religion that brings out so much hate.

 

[PRO190]

Hey Nick, I'm surprised you don't want all the ILLegal Immigrants to run our ports, hell why not AlQuaida outright..Wouldn't want to make them FEEL left out.. By the way the Military did CRUSH SADDAM in LESS than SIX MONTHS...
God help us if a Buffoon such as yourself ever gets into a position of making decisions on U.S. Security, you are an embarrassment to all those who serve to protect our sorry asses...I'* love to be sitting in a foxhole with you when a squad of Osamas finest pull up to park their Camels.. I can see you popping up to go give them a BIG HUG..then your melon is doing a triple axel with a 1 1/2 twist all the while with your last breath you squeak out "We come in PEACE ..................You are so naive.....

 

[Nick Douglas]

Elvis,

I called you a moron because you are degrading Islam when you know nothing about it. You can't even spell Qu'ran correctly.

Dawgball, no rational person in the Muslim world is trying to exterminate all Westerners. I'm sure there are some that do just like there are some idiots in this thread that would have no problem doing the same to all Muslims. Neither of those types on either side is thinking rationally.

Muslims are pissed because they feel (correctly or incorrectly) that the U.S. protects Israel in spite of its alleged aggression and supports oppressive Arab regimes that enrich Americans and Arab elites while keeping a majority of Muslims in relative poverty.

Those are the things that cause this conflict and if you look at history (as well as which countries get attacked and which ones don't), it becomes clear that all the other reasons people like to bring up (fundamentally violent religion, hate our freedom, etc.) are complete bullsh*t.

Now this creates a clear conflict for people like me who support Israel's statehood, but it does call for introspection rather than blind aggression. Should we do more to make sure that Israel doesn't perpetrate aggressive acts? Should we keep Israel from establishing what looks darn close to a version of Apartheid? Should we boast about spreading democracy and then impose sanctions as soon as a country democratically chooses leaders that we don't like (Hamas)? Should we allow the Saudis to rule without allowing free elections?

None of these things will completely end the conflict. I am not that naive. But history shows that every great state falls and usually they fall for the same reasons. Isolationism, excess, not responding to changes around them, etc. I don't know about you guys but I'* rather see America remain a world leader rather than crumble like the other over-aggressive states we've seen in the past century or so.

 

[ELVIS]

you say qu'ran - i say koran

you say qu'ran - i say koran

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now while admit to being a redneck... apparently the entire intranet has been taken hostage by rednecks.. :scared because i am not the only (not as smart as nick douglas) person that spells qu'ran - KORAN :nono:
man am i racist,ignorant,intolerant,hater,conservative,Limbaugh lover, bush beleiver,etc.

whatever, when i was in college it was always spelled either way and no one argued with the fact that muslim is a violent religion - this was the one idea repubs/dems agreed on. as a matter of fact, when was the middle east not involved in military conflict? curious