Has anyone EVER changed their political opinion?
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smurphy said:
I agree that relates back to my subsidies outcry among other things. However, very important to note that the majority of those extra dollars flowing into the Goverment coffers contributing to the surplus in the late 90s were from capital gain taxes associated with the pardon me Mr. Greenspan, but "Irrational Exuberance" going on with the stock market. Clinton's admin was not spending way less then past admins they were just reaping more tax money, thus the disparity. Fiscal responsibility and fiscal restraint was not abundant under Clinton and is not a huge concern of Bush and Co. either. The last true time we saw fiscal restraint/responsibility imo (from reading and conversations I have had with people who's opinion I value tremendously) was under Reagan. For what its worth I like McCain.
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penguinfan, you're hilarious (in a good way)
SixFive, I couldn't agree more. Kerry and Gore are sad candidates. I am all about my Wisconsin boy Feingold. People say he is too far left but what I like is he doesn't grandstand and whine about conservatives all the time. Even I have gotten sick of it from some people on the left.
As for this forum, it made a HUGE change in my life. A post a few years ago by ironlock where he posted a Dennis Prager speech gave me an entirely new outlook on God and religion.
SixFive, I couldn't agree more. Kerry and Gore are sad candidates. I am all about my Wisconsin boy Feingold. People say he is too far left but what I like is he doesn't grandstand and whine about conservatives all the time. Even I have gotten sick of it from some people on the left.
As for this forum, it made a HUGE change in my life. A post a few years ago by ironlock where he posted a Dennis Prager speech gave me an entirely new outlook on God and religion.
i have always voted repub, but this current admin makes me regret my vote completely. outside of giving us another conservative judge (which is along my beliefs, not necessarily others) bush sucks. period. i would never vote for kerry (extremist w/femi-nazi spouse who would actually be in charge) or gore (sh@t bag from tn). hillary would also be to over the top in my opinion.
if the dems had someone that was more centered(before he started running for office) they would get a consideration. my dad is convinced bush does no wrong and i irritate him whenever it comes up.
we will never get a president we really need.imo. too much money involved with all of the decision making. too many guys with agendas rather than doing what is best. i would close the borders for immigration for 5 yrs to start, but no politician would ever do this because their family doesn't suffer from it - yet.
if the dems had someone that was more centered(before he started running for office) they would get a consideration. my dad is convinced bush does no wrong and i irritate him whenever it comes up.
we will never get a president we really need.imo. too much money involved with all of the decision making. too many guys with agendas rather than doing what is best. i would close the borders for immigration for 5 yrs to start, but no politician would ever do this because their family doesn't suffer from it - yet.
I was extremely "left fringe" before law school. That woke me up to lots of things, e.g., the benefits of tradition, the usefulness of a contrary argument, and utilitarian philosophy (Jeremy Bentham, sumum bonum, and all that).
I started to realize that no single party has all the answers. I learned that the beauty of the American democracy was in the process of argument, itself, as a means of airing ALL viewpoints before making a decision. That's why I have said here before that it takes a left wing and a right wing to fly the airship of state.
My father would never consider voting Republican ("The Democrats are the party of the common man," he would tell me), but I have (Dick Riordan, Mayor of L.A.). In the future? If it were a choice between McCain and Hillary, I would go with McCain.
I started to realize that no single party has all the answers. I learned that the beauty of the American democracy was in the process of argument, itself, as a means of airing ALL viewpoints before making a decision. That's why I have said here before that it takes a left wing and a right wing to fly the airship of state.
My father would never consider voting Republican ("The Democrats are the party of the common man," he would tell me), but I have (Dick Riordan, Mayor of L.A.). In the future? If it were a choice between McCain and Hillary, I would go with McCain.
Political forums like this are more than trying to change minds.
A place like this is showing that people with similar interests, gambling etc etc, have different views. People who are just like you might still have different views. It's a way to express different opinions amongst "friends"
The sharing of ideas is what brings people together and makes this country great... at times.
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A place like this is showing that people with similar interests, gambling etc etc, have different views. People who are just like you might still have different views. It's a way to express different opinions amongst "friends"
The sharing of ideas is what brings people together and makes this country great... at times.
.....end of public service anouncement <puke>
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The only thing a President can do about an issue such as abortion (as far as I know) is to appoint more/less conservative judges to the Supreme Court.
I've never understood statements like this (also see "your boy Clinton",e tc.)
dawgball said:
In this case that was me talking to my brother-in-law, to him Bush can do no wrong as along as he is anti-abortion.
I just have a hard time tolerating such a closed mind attitude like that.
I have said it before, when the anti christ comes into power it will be the Christians of the world that put him there, all he has to do is promise tax breaks and the end to abortion and they will bow at his feet. My idiot brother-in-law is a great example of that type of person.
ctownguy said:
The idea behind my post started out as sincere, then I quickly realized what a gigantic tool I am.
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I'm not sure if you actually agree with the guy rolling around on the floor stroking himself or not, but I thought your post was a good commentary. It's great that people can come together and (even aggressively) discuss these issues. They are important, and what's sad is that so many people are so turned off to our democratic system that they actively tune out the issues and don't vote.
I stayed up late one night watching election returns here in Minnesota, and the report that Jesse Ventura had actually won the gubernatorial race taught me how important each vote in a race can be. And perhaps more importantly, how important each missed vote can be. My wife, who is anti-political and they type of person I am talking about, actually got out and voted for him because she liked the third party option. If you knew my wife...her voting for a sexist moron like Ventura is the definition of being uninformed. Unfortunately, she has vowed never to vote again because of that vote. I wonder how many others are out there just like her. Intelligent, opinionated individuals who just don't vote because they are either too fed up or too turned off by the process.
There's not much of that here, though, eh?
I stayed up late one night watching election returns here in Minnesota, and the report that Jesse Ventura had actually won the gubernatorial race taught me how important each vote in a race can be. And perhaps more importantly, how important each missed vote can be. My wife, who is anti-political and they type of person I am talking about, actually got out and voted for him because she liked the third party option. If you knew my wife...her voting for a sexist moron like Ventura is the definition of being uninformed. Unfortunately, she has vowed never to vote again because of that vote. I wonder how many others are out there just like her. Intelligent, opinionated individuals who just don't vote because they are either too fed up or too turned off by the process.
There's not much of that here, though, eh?
I'll beat some of you to the punch...I would agree that the simple fact that my wife is married to a moron like me proves that she is not all that intelligent. There, I said it for you, and agree with you.
