here is how illegal immigration is affecting the people in arizona......

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here is an e-mail that i just received....

The State of Arizona has been ordered to deposit millions of taxpayer dollars into a fund for the children of illegal aliens in public schools.

The required payments began accruing on Jan. 25 at the rate of $500,000 a day and rose to $1 million a day on Feb. 24.

The payments were ordered by Judge Raner Collins, a native of Arkansas whom
President Bill Clinton appointed to the federal district court in Tucson.

Unless the judge relents, the court- ordered payments will rise to $1.5 million a day on March 24, and then rise again to $2 million a day when
the legislature adjourns later this spring, continuing indefinitely thereafter.

Judge Collins presides over a case called Flores v. Arizona, in which a private lawyer named Tim Hogan was granted the right to represent the
estimated 160,000 so-called English Language Learners (ELLs) in Arizona public schools.
The vast majority of ELLs are children whose parents have illegally entered the United States from Mexico.

The state's Democratic governor (and former attorney general) Janet Napolitano and the current Democratic attorney general Terry Goddard have been responsible for defending the lawsuit.

Neither the Republican superintendent of education, Tom Horne, nor the Republican-led state legislature are represented in court, although they bear the burden and
are expected to pay all the costs of complying with the judge's orders.

As required by the controversial Supreme Court decision of Plyler v. Doe, which was decided in 1982 by a bitterly divided 5-4 vote, illegal alien
children have long been permitted to enroll in Arizona schools at public expense.

But their performance in school is extremely low. More than 80% of these children have failed the statewide assessment test called AIMS
(Arizona's Instrument to Measure Standards), a failure rate which is more than triple the statewide average.

Following an earlier Supreme Court decision (Lau v. Nichols, 1974) that required states to provide adequate instruction to children whose
native language is not English, Congress passed a federal law requiring each state to "take appropriate action to overcome language barriers that impede equal participation by its students in its instructional programs."

A previous judge in the Flores case had refrained from ordering any specific action because, as he said in 1999, there is no legal standard for
determining what kind of action is "appropriate."

That judge ruled in 2000 that the state was not doing enough, and the legislature responded by
increasing state funding from $150 to $360 per ELL, over and above what other students receive.

But the extra money has not led to higher test scores. Judge Collins' ruling cites poor AIMS scores as proof that the state has "illegally underfunded"
ELL programs, thereby depriving ELLs of their right to a free public education.

Accordingly, Judge Collins ordered the state legislature to spend however much money the court deems "appropriate" to ensure that ELLs can "overcome language barriers that impede equal participation."

His order suggests that illegal alien children not only have the right to attend public school,
but also the right to pass the tests given in English.

The order also mandates that "ELL students not be required to pass the AIMS test to secure their diploma until the State has properly funded ELL
programs and there has been sufficient time to allow ELL students to compete
equally on the test."

Evidently, Judge Collins will not be satisfied
until illegal alien children can pass the AIMS test at the same rate as native children.
 

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This certainly reads like a BS propaganda email, but I suppose it could be true. A google search didn't turn anything up that would validate it. I was at the law school in Tempe all day and didn't hear anything about it. You'll have to let us know if this is legit.
 

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AR and his bogus email scams. For shame. Interesting attempt by whoever wrote this to pin the illegals of AZ on the Dems. As if one party was responsible or something. Seems to be that ever since Reps took control of everything the situation has gotten worse. We just gotta "connect the dots" as Bush would say.

I've accepted McCain's offer of $50/hr to pick lettuce in Yuma, but can't find where to sign up for this employment. ....It couldn't be that McCain was making an idle offer, was he? ...Oh yes, of course - the actual wage is $5.15/hr. Turns out, the growers aren't willing to pay more than that ....OK, I'll pass. 9 grand a year is a lot different than 100 grand. I don't wanna be a burden on the rest of the taxpayers by working my ass off only to be under the poverty line and have to claim Earned Income Credit to subsidize my damned greedy selfish employers.
 

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I hope it's not true, as well. I suspect it's not, though. Did you check out any more of that eagleforum.com website?
 

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bj...

i didn't check eagleforum yet but did speak to the person who sent me the e-mail...he swears it's true....
 

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That $50 per hour figure is a little miss-leading...There are some lettuce companies that will pay you $50.00 per hour, however, it is up to you to earn it...they pay an hourly wage plus piece rate. It is not uncommon to see people earning anywhere from $10.00 per hour on up depending on how hard they work. I did work in the lettuce industry when I was younger and averged between $15 and $26 per hour.
 

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That's not bad, Axle. I may look into some agriculture work. How do you find these jobs - are they listed somewhere or do you just walk up to a field where you see people working? Do you need to know Spanish? It's always seemed like an innaccessible industry to Americans. I actually would like to get some part time work in the fields and groves.
 

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AR182 move out of Arizona come live in Wisky land. Then lets give Arizona back to Mexico. In exchange they all have to live there. I mean all the illegal ones. And build a really big fence. Wait a minute if I remember right Arizona is a decent place. Maybe we should put them all in New Mexico. All we have to do is drop the NEW in the name. I also hope story above is B S.
 

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AR- I'm a big fan of Feingold, but I feel you on the cold. It was about a 45 degree difference from when I got on the plane in Phoenix on Saturday and got off in Milwaukee.
 

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Axle said:
That $50 per hour figure is a little miss-leading...There are some lettuce companies that will pay you $50.00 per hour, however, it is up to you to earn it...they pay an hourly wage plus piece rate. It is not uncommon to see people earning anywhere from $10.00 per hour on up depending on how hard they work. I did work in the lettuce industry when I was younger and averged between $15 and $26 per hour.

smurphy said:
That's not bad, Axle. I may look into some agriculture work. How do you find these jobs - are they listed somewhere or do you just walk up to a field where you see people working? Do you need to know Spanish? It's always seemed like an innaccessible industry to Americans. I actually would like to get some part time work in the fields and groves.

:mj07: :142smilie :mj07: :lol:

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bj....

feingold didn't bother me until recently......his pushing of the impeachment of bush.....which i think it's ridiculous.....

i just finished reading a few articles that believes that these muslim extremeists think that the western world is weak.....all they have to do is continue doing what they're doing & the western world will get sick of it & demand all of the soldiers home.....

so far it's worked in spain, & it's working in italy.....imo all of this sniping at the bush administration during this time of war, & yes we are at war...only weakens us & makes the enemy stronger....and feingold, along & others are leading the way.....
 

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I checked the local paper and found nothing on jobs listing for agriculture pickers. I need to make some calls. Beginning to maybe understand why Americans haven't taken these jobs - they are very difficult to track down.
 

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AR182 said:
i just finished reading a few articles that believes that these muslim extremeists think that the western world is weak.....all they have to do is continue doing what they're doing & the western world will get sick of it & demand all of the soldiers home.....

so far it's worked in spain, & it's working in italy.....imo all of this sniping at the bush administration during this time of war, & yes we are at war...only weakens us & makes the enemy stronger....and feingold, along & others are leading the way.....

Well yeah - they are correct. In a war like this, we will get sick of it and the next president will probably have to promise to get our troops home in order to be elected. That was a pretty obvious scenario from the very beginning - if anybody bothered to look at our history and basic military strategy.

I disagree about harping on Bush. The more we call out his folly, the better we will be in the long run. His incompetence can not go without criticism. As for this notion that our free speech somehow makes the enemy stronger - well, I think that makes no sense at all. Bad strategy plays into the enemy's strengths. It was Bush who implemented such a disastrous strategy. Nobody else is to blame.

As for Spain - that's also not true. Their election was headed in favor of the left candidate all along. That bombing did not change the results. 90% of Spain was against sending troops to Iraq in the first place. The eventual people who won the election promised to remove their involvement if elected well before the train bombing. ...If anything, they won IN SPITE of the bombing.

Despite what we seem to think, the rest of these countries don't just revolve around us and Muslims. They have their own set of issues with more weight than what we think is important.
 
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