hopefully this is a start & not politics.....

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Crackdown Set Over Hiring of Immigrants


By ERIC LIPTON
Published: April 21, 2006
WASHINGTON, April 20 ? The apprehension on Wednesday of more than 1,100 illegal immigrants employed by a pallet supply company based in Houston, as well as the arrest of seven of its managers, represented the start of a more aggressive federal crackdown on employers, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Thursday.

Video Report Describing the hiring of millions of illegal workers, in some cases, as a form of organized crime, Mr. Chertoff said the government would try to combat the practice with techniques similar to those used to shut down the mob.

"We target those organizations, we use intelligence to define the scope of the organization, and then we use all of the tools we have ? whether it's criminal enforcement or the immigration laws ? to make sure we come down as hard as possible and break the back of those organizations," Mr. Chertoff said at a news conference.

The arrests took place just days before the Senate reconvenes with immigration laws on its agenda. Earlier this month, the Senate faltered in its efforts to develop a proposal that would have given most illegal immigrants a chance to become citizens while intensifying border patrol and deportation efforts. And in recent weeks, hundreds of thousands of immigrants and their supporters have demonstrated in response to a bill passed in the House in December that would speed deportations, tighten border security and criminalize illegal immigrants.

In the action on Wednesday, federal officials detained 1,187 illegal immigrants working in 26 states for IFCO Systems North America, a subsidiary of a company based in the Netherlands that supplies plastic containers and wood pallets used to ship a variety of goods, from fruit to computers.

Of the 1,187 detained workers, 275 have already been deported to Mexico. The rest are being processed for deportation, although many may be released on bond.

Homeland Security Department officials said company supervisors knowingly hired illegal immigrants, provided some of them housing and transportation to and from work, and even reimbursed an undercover agent for the cost of obtaining fraudulent identity documents.

An examination of the company's payroll of 5,800 employees found that just over half of them had Social Security numbers that were either invalid, belonged to a dead person or did not match names on file, the department said.

The investigation started in February 2005, when agents received a tip that IFCO Systems workers in Guilderland, N.Y., were seen ripping up federal tax-related employment verification forms, and then an assistant manager present explained that they were illegal immigrants who did not intend to file tax returns.

No senior executives at the company were arrested, but officials filed criminal charges against seven current or former lower-level managers and a foreman. The supervisors, from New York, Massachusetts, Ohio and Texas, were accused of conspiring to transport, harbor and induce illegal immigrants to come to the United States, charges that carry maximum sentences of up to 10 years in jail.

Mr. Chertoff made clear that the investigation was continuing and that further charges might be filed, leaving open the possibility of action against the company. Last year, Wal-Mart paid an $11 million civil fine to settle charges that it had knowingly hired illegal immigrants who worked as floor-cleaning crews through independent contractors. The fine surpassed the sum of all administrative fines from the previous eight years.

A spokeswoman for IFCO Systems, which had $576 million in sales globally last year and whose customer list includes such companies as Dell Computer, Winn Dixie supermarkets and Target stores, did not respond to messages left at her office and on her cellphone.

As part of the campaign against illegal hiring, Mr. Chertoff and Julie L. Myers, assistant secretary at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, plan to hire 171 more work-site enforcement agents. There are now about 325. They have also asked Congress for legal authority to get routine access to Social Security records in order to identify companies in which large numbers of new employees submit fake numbers.

Separately, the department is adding 20 special teams of investigators, for a total of 52, to search for some of the 590,000 immigrants in the country who have ignored orders to leave. The department is also working with state and local officials to try to identify and, if possible, deport many of an estimated 630,000 foreign-born individuals who are arrested on criminal charges and put into jail.

Nationally, there were 127 criminal convictions last year ? up from 46 the year before ? against employers who knowingly hired illegal immigrants, the department said.

Bill Bernstein, deputy director of Mosaic Family Services, a nonprofit group in Dallas that works with refugee and immigrant families, said that simply apprehending workers who might be here illegally was not the answer to the immigration problem.

"There is a reason why these people were doing that job," Mr. Bernstein said, "and that is there are a lot of jobs in this county that Americans aren't taking."

Mr. Bernstein said the timing of the announcement of the arrests was probably not a coincidence. "The reason this is being done now is to look good politically," he said. "The administration wants to make it clear they have an enforcement side as well as an amnesty side."

Michael W. Cutler, a fellow at the Center for Immigration Studies, a research group that supports tougher immigration laws, said Mr. Chertoff's enforcement blitz was more about public relations than substance.

"All they are doing is hanging window dressing on a building that is condemned," said Mr. Cutler, who is a former federal immigration enforcement officer. Even with additional agents, he said, the department will still have far too few enforcing immigration laws.

Except for a small pilot program, Mr. Chertoff acknowledged that the federal government had not provided a way for employers to verify employees' immigration status quickly. That makes it difficult to hold employers criminally liable when workers present valid-looking but falsified documents.

"We have to admit from the get-go that we've got to provide employers with the necessary tools to verify the legal status of their employees," he said.
 

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I hope this country is ready for the short term economic pains that will come with cracking down on current illegals. A smarter approach would have been to work on shoring up the border and some other aspects before some random "show of force" That would allow for a better transition period. Assuming the government is serious with all this.

Particularly with small business like restaurants. I'd hate to see local restaurants go out of business while this country has to suddenly adjust to a new enforcement campaign. I know, people shouldn't hire illegals, but I feel bad for the casualties because the government suddenly stops looking the other way.

This all is gonna get really messy.
 

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I agree completely with what Feklhr (damn. don't know how to properly shorten that name).

The first step is obvious. We have to stop the bleeding at the border before we address the situation with who is already here.
 

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I have no sympathy for anyone who goes out of business. They were well aware of breaking the law for years. They took advantage and ran law abiding business out all this time. Not gonna accept any whining from them, big or small, when/if these laws are finally enforced.
 

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Well even if you don't have sympathy for the initial businesses that were breaking the law, if enough small or large businesses take hits, it will effect other related companies that never broke the law.

Just worried about an economic ripple effect, that's all.
 

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i agree with my man smurphy....i don't have any sympathy for companies that are breaking the law by hiring illegals.....

and i don't think most companies will go out of business if the illegals are taken away from them....their profit margin will decrease...and if they do go out of business it will mean that they are either doing something wrong or there is no demand for their product or service...
 

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it's just politics

there won't be many more stories of this ilke

even though there should be thousands

unless the mighty Walmart (and there $$) gets dragged to the carpet again
 

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ImFeklhr said:
I hope this country is ready for the short term economic pains that will come with cracking down on current illegals.


Maybe I'm wrong....

I'll take the short term pains in any crisis in lue of long term solutions
 

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IO, nah ur probably right in your first post. The government is just going through the motions for a while, but will resume its "<wink wink" approach to the situation soon.
 

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Politicians at every level and law enforcement have been playing the American public for fools for a very long time. In part, it's our fault. But where's the public outcry?

10 billion a month for the Iraq war, energy costs through the roof, the Katrina debacle, political corruption at every level is rampant, nearly 1/3 of so-called American corportations are now owned by foreign inverstors and neo-cons and global corps are having a hearty laugh.

I think illegal immigration is more a blessing than a curse.

They are organized and united enough to march in OUR streets for what they want. God bless them.

We won't march in OUR streets because we like being bullied.

And besides, we don't know what the hell we want anyway.

"Government of the people, by the people and for the people."

:mj07:
 

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the ripple?.....i think we`re already feeling the ripple with public hospital closings in cali...arizona landowners not even allowed to tend their land without hiring security...


i just heard on the news that 30% of the heron...70% of cocaine...and 90% of the weed smuggled into the country comes across the mexican border....

forget the illegals...that`s in and of itself enough reason to build the wall and shut the border down....

shut it down.......you put a serious cramp in the drug trade.....you hammer the businessmen paying shit wages, no benefits and undermining american workers........

put a large stick up fox`s ass and force him to reform that corrupt shithole so the citizens can earn a decent living in their own country....

we`re not reallly helping mexico..we`re enabling her worst elements...

i think we`ll survive the elimination of an uneducated underclass that, for the most part,doesn`t even speak the language,much less seeks to assimilate...

a country without real borders is nothing more than a landmass....

enforce the laws....the people have spoken...
 

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buddy we can't take to the streets. That would makes us commies. But every time my congressman or senator comes to town for one of there little town hall get together. I do go and listen. I can not believe all the pissed folks. Thing that surprise me is all the small business men there venting. Top topics Iraq, Energy and the run away spending by our government.
 

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we don`t take to the streets because we`re to busy watching american idol,24 or playing with our x-box....

but,something tells me that our attention span is gonna get tested sooner rather than later....


""Demonstrating outside the Israeli consulate in Manhattan to gloat over the suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, the Queens-based radical group calling itself the Islamic Thinkers Society (lgf: search) chanted genocidal slogans and threats of nuclear holocaust: Islamists’ message to Israel at New York City rally: “The mushroom cloud is on its way!”

Excerpts:
Leader (in Arabic): With our blood and our lives we will liberate al Aqsa!
[The rest also respond in Arabic:] With our blood and our lives we will liberate al Aqsa!

Israeli Zionists What do you say? The real Holocaust is on its way
Takbeer!
Response: Allahu Akbar!
Takbeer!
Response: Allahu Akbar!

Israeli Zionists, What do you say?
How many women have you raped today?
Israeli Zionists, What do you say?
How many children have you killed today?

Zionists, Zionists You will pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
Israeli Zionists You shall pay! The Wrath of Allah is on its way!
The mushroom cloud is on its way! The real Holocaust is on its way!

We are not your average Muslims, We are the Muslims of Was al Sunnah

We will not accept the United Nations, they are the criminals themselves
They get paid by the Israeli and the US government to do their job.
We don’t recognize United Nations as a body
We only recognize Allah

Israel won’t last long ... Indeed, Allah will repeat the Holocaust right on the soil of Israel
Takbeer!
Response: Allahu Akbar!

* * *
No wonder they call you sons of apes and pigs because that’s what you are.

We know many government services are watching us
Such as the FBI ... CIA ... Mossad, Homeland Security ...
We know we are getting on their nerves
And so are you ... .
So we say the hell with you!
May the FBI burn in Hell
CIA burn in Hell
Mossad burn in Hell
Homeland Security burn in hell!!

Islam will dominate the world
Islam is the only solution
Islam will dominate the world
Islam is the only solution
Takbeer!
La ilaha il Allah, Muhammad-ur Rasool Allah

* * *
Another mushroom cloud, right in the midst of Israel!
Takbeer!! Allahu Akbar!""............................



less than five years after they cause n.y. city unimaginable death and suffering, islamists have the nerve to raise their voices in our streets.....and we do nothing.....

i'm having trouble deciphering this deeply nuanced call for mutual understanding and multicultural tolerance...lol

and the most galling aspect of this?.....silence from the lamestream media.... this is a front page story......

where,in the name of god,is a confused geriatric driver in a hurtling mass of detroit pig-iron when you need one?.....




clop,,,clop,,,clop,,,clop
come the four horsie-men of the "apple cop palace".........
 

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i fully expect the n.y.times will run a story tomorrow and/or sunday detailing the "verbal abuse" suffered by these "peaceful islamic thinkers" by passing new yorkers telling them to **** off. ...

the horror!...

unless this is part of another 20/20 or 60 minutes news magazine sting to catch "the ugly american" abusing minorities exercising their "constitutional" rights.........

:mj02:
 

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Gardenweasel were being watched? I felt that way about here. Many times about don't type that or this someone is watching. And that is dam sad that it even comes to mind.
 

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gardenweasel said:
...70% of cocaine...and 90% of the weed smuggled into the country comes across the mexican border....
Ehhhh, on the other hand maybe we should keep those borders open. :SIB
 

gardenweasel

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smurph....lol...

damn!!!!!...we have a celebrity in our midst.....smurphy is woody"hemp" harrelson.......

btw...i `m with you on the medical marijuana issue....
 
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