Yup Bill on ABC this morning has answer to gas prices. Get a tune up and drive slower. A want a bee Presidents answer.
Bill Frist Has Answer
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djv said:
yeah I've heard that BS too, as if tune ups and driving 'optimal speed' make a difference, how about some legislation to somehow regulate these legalized criminals running these oil companies, but of course not, they are in bed w/people in high places so as usual, they will be able to run a muck for as long as they desire, aint this a great country, F the non-millionaires, who needs em
how about we stop buying these frickin 8 cylinder nightmares. we are so wasteful it's ridiculous. $5 baby, c'mon gas prices - you can do it! all we need is chavez to play some hardball right now and we're there easily. ....perhaps some political unrest in nigeria could do it too.
Why not a logical answer.
Start building refineries and start drilling our own resources, use more nuclear power and hydra power and quit letting the left wing wacko environmentalists run our energy program.
Look at the benefits, we would not be beholding to the middle east or mexico or s america.
People living in a free country can still buy any type car they wish (dumb idea by smurphy as usual, penalize the consumer)
Start building refineries and start drilling our own resources, use more nuclear power and hydra power and quit letting the left wing wacko environmentalists run our energy program.
Look at the benefits, we would not be beholding to the middle east or mexico or s america.
People living in a free country can still buy any type car they wish (dumb idea by smurphy as usual, penalize the consumer)
Didn't think there would be a answer there, ya those left wing bastards from Enron that monopolized the Energy sector.
ctownguy said:
i agree with you 100%.....
the car manufacturer's shouldn't stop making 8 cylinder cars if there is a demand....but they also should make cars using alternative fuel....
and bill frist is a very intelligent man......but his speech pattern is too boring, imo to hold voter's attention (similar to bill bradley)......it's almost like listening to me....
Heard Bush speech today and it sounded just like Clintons-his fathers and all the others going back to Carter and 1st enenergy crunch.
Been the same throughout--nothing done basically because prices came back down on their own which made alternates much higher than oil.--maybe not coming down this time. $40 a barrel oil was cheap. In fact until this year over half the cost of gal of gas in CA NY and Ill was state and federal taxes.
Has been interesting watching news with pros and cons on issue.
One factor has remained constant on all networks--when they report they show pic of gas station with some of highest prices in the country
Most intersting story was on Brazill who weaned themselves from dependency on oil by converting sugar to gas. Heard man from their energy commission say that now they have refineries in place that they can produce gas cheaper than buy oil @ anything over $23 a Barrell--impressive if accurate.
Been the same throughout--nothing done basically because prices came back down on their own which made alternates much higher than oil.--maybe not coming down this time. $40 a barrel oil was cheap. In fact until this year over half the cost of gal of gas in CA NY and Ill was state and federal taxes.
Has been interesting watching news with pros and cons on issue.
One factor has remained constant on all networks--when they report they show pic of gas station with some of highest prices in the country
Most intersting story was on Brazill who weaned themselves from dependency on oil by converting sugar to gas. Heard man from their energy commission say that now they have refineries in place that they can produce gas cheaper than buy oil @ anything over $23 a Barrell--impressive if accurate.
Brazil started the one thing Jimmy Carter had right. Better millage cars and alternative fuel. About only thing he had right. Yes Brazil in 2 years hopes to export oil. From a importer to a exporter in 30 years.
Yeah - the stuff on Brazil is true. We are behind almost everyone when it comes to other forms of energy. We've let the oil and car companies DICTATE what is right for the consumer for a long time. ....Too long.
And as for the notion of the consumer always being right and not being asked to sacrifice for the team --- well did that not apply during WW2 when rationing of fuel and resources was needed for the greater good? Are we not currently at war? Should we not be asked to make sacrifices for the greater good and for the war effort?
And as for the notion of the consumer always being right and not being asked to sacrifice for the team --- well did that not apply during WW2 when rationing of fuel and resources was needed for the greater good? Are we not currently at war? Should we not be asked to make sacrifices for the greater good and for the war effort?
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smurphy -- how dare you ask someone to make a sacrifice you freaking communist!
Besides the very ill effects it would have on the stock market, I am all for $5 per gallon. People need to learn that the trips that are "mandatory" and their "need" for gas guzzling monster trucks is all in your head.
The only people I feel would need assistance in this are the hard working men and women who actually do require large vehicles.
I love a dumbass bitching about gas prices out of the window of their Expedition as they drive through Metro City, USA. ****ing morons!
Now that being said, I would like us to start drilling here and let that supply the majority of our needs as we develop alternative fuel sources as other countries without near the R&D resources that we have.
Also, I heard on the radio (which I give very little credence to) that the oil companies (not the stations) profit about $0.08 per gallon on average and the taxes are somewhere in the $0.40 range. Let's assume that there is a $1.50 price tag on producing/delivering the oil (totally pulled the number out of my arse). Does that mean that the Saudis (or whoever) get about $1.00 per gallon? So if Exxon can make hundreds of billions on $0.08 per gallon, what the feck does $1.00 per gallon mean to someone's pockets. DAMN!
Besides the very ill effects it would have on the stock market, I am all for $5 per gallon. People need to learn that the trips that are "mandatory" and their "need" for gas guzzling monster trucks is all in your head.
The only people I feel would need assistance in this are the hard working men and women who actually do require large vehicles.
I love a dumbass bitching about gas prices out of the window of their Expedition as they drive through Metro City, USA. ****ing morons!
Now that being said, I would like us to start drilling here and let that supply the majority of our needs as we develop alternative fuel sources as other countries without near the R&D resources that we have.
Also, I heard on the radio (which I give very little credence to) that the oil companies (not the stations) profit about $0.08 per gallon on average and the taxes are somewhere in the $0.40 range. Let's assume that there is a $1.50 price tag on producing/delivering the oil (totally pulled the number out of my arse). Does that mean that the Saudis (or whoever) get about $1.00 per gallon? So if Exxon can make hundreds of billions on $0.08 per gallon, what the feck does $1.00 per gallon mean to someone's pockets. DAMN!
ctownguy said:
Once again, we have a ridiculous post from ctown either generated from ignorance or complete right-wing bias.
Our current energy program was developed exclusively by Dick Cheney and his invited cabal of oil and energy executives over the past 5 or so years. No "wacko environmentalists" invited, just the exclusive inner circle consulting the exact people reaping the highest profits in the history of the world for the past few quarters. All this done in the White House. What were we told by Cheney and Bush at the time of those meetings and subsequent energy plan rollout? We need to give tax incentives to major oil companies and alternative energy companies (where have they been lately with all the benefits?!?) so they can build refineries and produce more oil and make us more energy independent of foreign oil.
How many new refineries are in the works thanks to the billions of dollars in incentive-assisted oil company profits? I don't know...I haven't noticed any news reports of any. I'm sure DTB will have his copy-and-paste on one, if there is one.
ctown, you come up with some doozies, but this one took the cake.
Chadman said:
Once again your ignorance is only surpassed by smurphy's.
ALL DRILLING AND NEW REFINERIES have been blocked by the environmental wackos and their lobbists along the democratic party. These wackos hold up development and make building new housing and roads an adventure in futility.
These are the idiots behind halting all the drilling and the building of new refineries in this country, not Dick Cheney.
You and your left wing or bush hating kind are all alike, IGNORANT.
Yes, my ignorance is astounding. So what do you drive, Ctown? How much money do you continue to send to Al-Qaida? I'm sure you've done more to help the terrorists than you have to help our soldiers. You don't even realize it. Ignorance is bliss, I reckon.
Again - which specific left wing idiots have had any power to stop any refineries? Please, be specific.
Again - which specific left wing idiots have had any power to stop any refineries? Please, be specific.
A little local info (no cut and paste) I know several gas and oil people (and my names not dick) in my area that have done little gas and oil exploration in past years because it is not cost effective when oil is @ $40 a barrel. As matter of fact some capped producing wells till price increased. They are all out there again and I assume there are many all over country like them.
I can only imagine this would be similiar scenrio to big boys--and consider maybe they too have not put that much into exploration because of same circumstance--now about the profits--where do a lots of profits go (in addition to pockets of their retiring execs) --exploration. I see it as an unfortunate cycle that no one does anything to solve prob until d-day then it takes 6 months for efforts to kick in then back down oil goes. In preparation for what I see as inevitable I have put stop losses on my oil stocks as I expect the trip down to be as fast a the one up. We'll see.
I can only imagine this would be similiar scenrio to big boys--and consider maybe they too have not put that much into exploration because of same circumstance--now about the profits--where do a lots of profits go (in addition to pockets of their retiring execs) --exploration. I see it as an unfortunate cycle that no one does anything to solve prob until d-day then it takes 6 months for efforts to kick in then back down oil goes. In preparation for what I see as inevitable I have put stop losses on my oil stocks as I expect the trip down to be as fast a the one up. We'll see.
Letting big oil join together to get even bigger. That hurt more on refining side of things. No one made them close the 8 they did. You think they had a plan. It's our fault to we vote for some of these losers. And if we don't as Americans demand better efficient cars/trucks. Well we seen it coming for us old enough here since the 70's. And letting 35% of our Alaska oil go to Asia for 30 years
was a huge mistake. And it's still happening.
was a huge mistake. And it's still happening.
"And if we don't as Americans demand better efficient cars/trucks."
Just which fuel efficient auto made any where WORLD WIDE don't we have access to DJV?
It's not we don't have access to them its "we Americans" choose to drive whatever we wish at any cost.
Ok lets penalize those driving the 8 to 10 MPG and reward the 30 MPG drivers. Would making it 3 times more expensive for them to drive same distance satisfy anyone
Just which fuel efficient auto made any where WORLD WIDE don't we have access to DJV?
It's not we don't have access to them its "we Americans" choose to drive whatever we wish at any cost.
Ok lets penalize those driving the 8 to 10 MPG and reward the 30 MPG drivers. Would making it 3 times more expensive for them to drive same distance satisfy anyone
Well its funny when were at war it's everyone back the plan right or wrong. This fuel problem is dam near like war. We should stand together. I understand there are folks with so much money they don't give a chit. However many often forget how they made there money by being smart. Then there are those that get 400 million retirement packages that are so far from real world. Funny thing is many are oil men. When they go to the bank they say suckers.
this has nothing to do with a shortage or the kind of cars we drive. It is plain and simple greed by the oil companies. So many smoke screens to confuse the public. How are the oil companies making record profits in this "would wide shortage." It is only common sense. If the oil companes are paying more for oil and they pass that increase on to us then there profits should be the same as previous years. But, if they are showing record profits where are those profits coming from? From gouging us maybe? Sometimes you have to wonder who the real terroists are.
