Attack on Iran would be impeachable offense

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according to staunch right-winger Pat Buchanan


http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49959




Of imperial presidents and congressional cowards

Pat Buchanan

Posted: April 28, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


? 2006 Creators Syndicate Inc.


Now that Congress is back from spring break and looking ahead to Memorial Day, July 4th, the August recess and adjournment early in October for elections, perhaps it can take up this question.

Does President Bush have, or not have, the authority to take us to war with Iran? Because Bush and the War Party are surely behaving as though this were an executive decision alone.

No sooner had President Ahmadinejad declared that his country had enriched a speck of uranium than the war drums began again.

Bush has said of Iran that even "a process which would enable Iran to develop a nuclear weapon is unacceptable." John McCain has said too many times to count, "The military option is on the table." The 2006 National Security Strategy re-endorses preventive war and elevates Iran to the No. 1 threat to the United States.


This is not enough for the Weekly Standard, which equates our situation with that of France in 1936, when Paris sat immobile while Hitler marched three lightly armed battalions back into the German Rhineland, which had been demilitarized by the Versailles Treaty.

"To Bomb or Not to Bomb, That Is the Iran Question," is the title of an extended piece in the Standard, whose editorial calls for "urgent operational planning for bombing strikes." As that would likely ignite Shia and Revolutionary Guard terror attacks on U.S. troops in Iraq, the Standard wants Bush to send more troops.

In an editorial "Iran Now," National Review is already into target acquisition. It calls for plans for a massive bombing campaign "coupled with an aggressive and persistent efforts to topple the regime from within." Ideally, U.S. bombs "should hit not just the nuclear facilities, but also the symbols of state oppression: the intelligence ministry, the headquarters of the Revolutionary Guard, the guard towers of the notorious Evin Prison."

In the Washington Post, Mark Helprin, who is identified as having "served in the Israeli army and air force," says "the obvious option is an aerial campaign to divest Iran of its nuclear potential: i.e., clear the Persian Gulf of Iranian naval forces, scrub anti-ship missiles from the shore and lay open antiaircraft-free corridors to each target ... Were the targets effectively hidden or buried, Iran could be shut down, coerced and perhaps revolutionized by the simple and rapid destruction of its oil production and transport."

Since Muslims may not like what we are up to, Helprin cautions, we should prepare "for a land route from the Mediterranean across Israel and Jordan to the Tigris and Euphrates," and, presumably, from there the final push on to Tehran.

In all this hawk talk, something is missing. We are not told how many innocent Iranians we will have to kill as we go about smashing their nuclear program and defenses. Nor are we told how many more soldiers we will need for the neocons' new war, nor how long they will have to fight, nor how many more wings we should plan for at Walter Reed, nor when it will be over ? if ever.

Moreover, where does Bush get the authority to launch a war on a nation that has not attacked us? As few believe Iran is close to a nuclear weapon, while four neighbors ? Russia, India, Pakistan and Israel, not to mention the United States ? already have the bomb, what is America's justification for war?

If we sat by while Stalin got the bomb, and Mao got the bomb, and Kim Jong-Il got the bomb, why is an Iranian bomb a threat to the United States, which possesses thousands?

There is a reason the Founding Fathers separated the power to conduct war from the power to declare it. The reason is just such a ruler as George W. Bush, a man possessed of an ideology and sense of mission that are not necessarily coterminous with what is best for his country. Under our Constitution, it is Congress, not the president, who decides on war.

Many Democrats now concede they failed the nation when they took Bush at his word that Iraq was an intolerable threat that could be dealt with only by an invasion. Now, Bush and the War Party are telling us the same thing about Iran. And the Congress is conducting itself in the same contemptible and cowardly way.

It is time for Congress to tell President Bush directly that he has no authority to go to war on Iran and to launch such a war would be an impeachable offense. Or, if they so conclude, Congress should share full responsibility by granting him that authority after it has held hearings and told the people why we have no other choice than another Mideast war, with a nation four times as large as Iraq.

If Congress lacks the courage to do its constitutional duty, it should stop whining about imperial presidents. Because, like the Roman Senate of Caesar's time, it will have invited them and it will deserve them.
 

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although i have disagreed with him on occasions, i find buchannan an interesting person to listen to......

he is an isolationist..he was against the iraq war, so i'm not surprised by this....

i would be surprised if there will be a war with iran as long as russia & china side with iran....

it's a scary situation though...
 
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Too bad being an idiot wasn't a impeachable offense :shrug: Sure will miss his attempt to speak the English language when his gone:mj07:
 

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vinnie said:
Too bad being an idiot wasn't a impeachable offense :shrug: Sure will miss his attempt to speak the English language when his gone:mj07:

That's for should
 

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yeah, of course he's an isolationist, although being against the debacle in Iraq does not automatically make it so.

If this was written by Harry Reid, I can imagine the reaction. 'That dem dere commie, pus*y, weak on terror democrat gonna get us nuked.'

But since it's a hard-core rightie, it's, 'That's Pat being Pat. He's an isolationist!'

Does anybody disagree with his premise in the article?
 

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I think it's an excellent article. We really are kind of stuck. Ultimately, I think the right move with Iran will also be a blow to the non-proliferation agreements. WE CANNOT PRE-EMPTIVELY STRIKE. No matter what, we probably start a losing war by attacking first - even if Iran is violating a rule that we made up.

The point about a revolution from within is important. Everything I read about Iran implies that the discontented people there do not want a revolution - and would choose to fight against us rather than join us if we pre-emptively attacked. ....To say nothing of the rest of the Muslim world.

And yeah - which troops will we use as the war gets deeper? Will we need a draft? Will some of the chickenhawks actually pick up a weapon and fight?

We'd lose our allies and not have much support at home. It would be a huge mistake. ....And enough of these Nazi Germany comparisons - it's getting ridiculous.

Someday we might have a war with Iran. But like every war we've had success in, they will have to strike first for us to have the upper hand and momentum for total victory. In the meantime, I think we have enough ability to keep an eye on what they do while improving our diplomacy with friends in case something does go down.

Basically, I agree with Buchanan.
 

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i guess the $64 question would be,"who would then be president?"(hint...he didn't know you needed a stamp to shoot lawyers in texas)...

cheney as president?...that would make my day...and i`m sure you wouldn`t want that...


an interesting sidenote for monday`s mexican hat dance....:

""Joining illegal immigrants in their march on May 1: radical Islamic front groups the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC), the Muslim Students Association (MSA), the Muslim American Society (MAS), and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR): CAIR are now in the mix- will march with illegals...

i guess the next logical step is "migrant suicide bombers"?..... they receice 72 welfare checks in heaven ?....

f-ck it..we`ll just have to learn how to say ",,"cay' oat'e te'...and learn the new mexi/mooselim version of the star spangled banner...

"the i.e.d.`s bursting in air" en espaniol...while their moslem cohorts will sing "allahu akbar".

and they'll all join in the last chorus of:

"o'er the land of the unfree
and the home of jihadi"... :talk: :142hail:

lard jaysus...

btw...they want to march and boycott monday?.....fine...fill your tank next monday on the way to work, eat an expensive lunch. ...stop and shop on the way home, spend as much as you're able to.....i will

screw those that would support lawbreakers........

i`m tempted to go to one of these marches with a poster that reads,"allah says kill the catholics"....

that might stir things up...
 
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If we do we can't let these same folks run the show that invaded Iraq. We can't stand another screw up to many lives would be lost. But I think Iran will be handle a different way.
 

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smurphy said:
Someday we might have a war with Iran. But like every war we've had success in, they will have to strike first for us to have the upper hand and momentum for total victory. In the meantime, I think we have enough ability to keep an eye on what they do while improving our diplomacy with friends in case something does go down.

Basically, I agree with Buchanan.
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Times have changed. This is not the world in 2006 where you wait for a country to bomb you before you go to war.

Not when it is declared that they are out to destroy us and anyone in their way of crazy thoughts.

While we are keeping a eye on Iran, they get the bomb and fullfill their biggest dream and nuke Isreal. They annihilate the whole country as they have always said they would.

If you cannot forsee what will happen when Iran does that then its time to kiss your mama and tell your daddy bye bye.

There would be a large exchange of nuclear weapons. Everyone involved in some way.

Now maybe it would be a good thing to try to keep Iran from ever being able to accomplish that event, or get someone else to do it and deny deny deny.

The only way to deal with it, is to say to Ankarmajacketfit , Listen here, if you continue to get enriched uranium, we will nuke you until you change goverments. Just hoping the nuclear fallout will not drift over here while we are at it.

The repercussions will be alot less if we do it to Iran preemptively rather than wait for them to nuke Isreal.

Good luck and may God Bless.
 

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Why would Iran guarantee their own destruction by nuking Israel? It doesn't make any sense. Iran is a proud and protective country. They value their empire. No matter what this windbag Amerdijon Mustard says, the decision makjers of that country would not do that.

And if they do bomb Israel......well, that's not the end of our world by a long shot. We then completely annihialate Iran and anyone who supports them. Nukes, WW3, the whole thing. If it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen - but we can't guess at it. Some things simply have to happen first.

Again though, if you study up on Iran at all you will likely see how farfetched this notion is - no matter their idiot President is saying. ....Hell, just look at some of the quotes our own presidents have said. Bush called Iran "evil". Reagan "outlawed Russia and will begin bombing in 5 minutes". Talk is cheap and Muslims love to talk their asses off.

As I see it, based realistically on the attitudes of our own people and our allies, we (or Israel) has to get hit first in order for us to have the endurance to win an all out war. We are simply not dedicated enough or willing to make the necessary sacrifices without the unity, sense of moral imperitive, and battle toughness that comes from having such a clear and obvious enemy physically make the first move.
 

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gardenweasel said:
cheney as president?...that would make my day...and i`m sure you wouldn`t want that...
Gaaaad man, tell us again why you like Cheney so much? Is it is accurate assesment of the "final throes" or his own courageous military service?
 
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