This guy should not answer questions. Caught with a few lies from a guy in his own party yesterday. And to say he's not involved with much intelligence gathering. Is he nuts. He runs the budget for all of the military intelligence gathering.
Poor Rummy Caught Again
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I *almost* felt sorry for Rummy during that exchange. He looked much like Scott McClellan did when they ran him out there.
Then again, all the guy (was CIA agent for 27 years) did was quote Rumsfelds own words.
Then again, all the guy (was CIA agent for 27 years) did was quote Rumsfelds own words.
everyone has the right to question...was a bit of an ambush...
but,rumsfeld stood his ground and allowed the guy to speak...and answered his questions(accusations).....
say what you will about rumsfeld...but,while our politicians took off running from capitol hill on 9/11, 1st hand witnesses saw mr rumsfeld help carry people out of the pentagon (more impressive when you remember that he is no spring chicken)......
you can say what you want about this guy... but he certainly has spine
but,rumsfeld stood his ground and allowed the guy to speak...and answered his questions(accusations).....
say what you will about rumsfeld...but,while our politicians took off running from capitol hill on 9/11, 1st hand witnesses saw mr rumsfeld help carry people out of the pentagon (more impressive when you remember that he is no spring chicken)......
you can say what you want about this guy... but he certainly has spine
gardenweasel said:
Yeah, it was definitely an ambush. That guy was on a mission.
But Rummy looked terrible when he denied saying things and then his exact quotes were read to him. Then the tap-dancing began. He looked ridiculous and disheveled, a la McClellan.
I will give him credit about one thing though. After the first few questions, the gestapo came along and they were about to remove the guy, but Rummy told them to let him stay and continued to field the 'questions', such as they were.
obviously...some very smart(not just partisan) people think that rummy ,franks et al blew the post war occupation....
just hate seeing hysterical/disruptive/uncouth/ frenzied attacks....theres a lack of civility...a lack of respect and decorum......but,i`ve never been the radical/hippie type...i could never disrupt a gathering like those people did...
and i`d be dead set against conservatives acting in that manner...(even though i can`t remember any instances of that happening)...
that`s me...they`re free to do so,i guess...
i think it hurts the protestors in the public`s eye...at least the moderate publc...
but "some" of those are legit questions.....a legit discussion...
the constant "bush lied" thing is ridiculous,imo....no sane person believes that the administration "lied",knowing that there were no wmd`s....knowing the political price that would be paid eventually...
no sane person believes that 9/11 was an inside job....
and if it were.....if 9/11 were a governmental set-up(i can`t believe i`m even writing this)it would be a cake walk to plant something in iraq to justify the wmd issue..
i understand railing about the intelligence being wrong...
a little civility would be nice..
just hate seeing hysterical/disruptive/uncouth/ frenzied attacks....theres a lack of civility...a lack of respect and decorum......but,i`ve never been the radical/hippie type...i could never disrupt a gathering like those people did...
and i`d be dead set against conservatives acting in that manner...(even though i can`t remember any instances of that happening)...
that`s me...they`re free to do so,i guess...
i think it hurts the protestors in the public`s eye...at least the moderate publc...
but "some" of those are legit questions.....a legit discussion...
the constant "bush lied" thing is ridiculous,imo....no sane person believes that the administration "lied",knowing that there were no wmd`s....knowing the political price that would be paid eventually...
no sane person believes that 9/11 was an inside job....
and if it were.....if 9/11 were a governmental set-up(i can`t believe i`m even writing this)it would be a cake walk to plant something in iraq to justify the wmd issue..
i understand railing about the intelligence being wrong...
a little civility would be nice..
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They said they knew where the wmd was. They played video of that liar Rumsfeld saying it over and over again. Why did they do it? Who knows? But the Carlye Group made out pretty good in this invasion of Iraq for no good reason.
it would be Clinton-like at this point to debate the issue of what is and is not a lie but I have to say that repeatedly stating something as a fact when it is not is as close as you get to lying.
every intelligence agency in the world believed they had them....god knows how many u.n. resolutions....saddam jerking blix and al baradei around like a couple of clueless shitbirds........
plenty long enough for saddam to move or dispose of anything he had....
the last time i checked,more democrats in congress voted to o.k.action against iraq this time than voted to remove saddam from kuwait...
the phony u.n. trade embargo was falling apart...yada yada.....we`ve been over this ad nauseum...
let`s call a spade a spade for a change...
the gore and kerry election losses..and the clinton blowjob scandal(which i admit was a waste of time,even though he acted like an idiot and brought it on himself)....
fter these,even a mild dislike of "w" rapidly morphed into the ferocious bush hatred we are now all familiar with......
the opposition to a conservative republican and reasonable disagreement with his policies became a swooning hysteria......and an unmitigated, deranged hatred with all the accompanying paranoid delusions......
he is blamed when he does something (anything) and he is blamed when he does nothing.......he is blamed for things that ocurred even before he was president, as well as everything that has happened since.......
he is blamed for things he says; and for things he doesn't say.
what makes bush hatred completely insane however, is the almost delusional degree of certainty that bush and the gang are evil geniouses...l..... while simultaneously believing that he`s a moron.......
and that the true perpetrators of evil in the world are somehow good and decent human beings with the world's intersts at heart.....
it explains why there is more emphasis on protecting the "rights" of terrorists, rather than holding them accountable for their actions (thier actions, by the way are also bush's fault, according to those in the throes of b.d.s)
.. terrorist activity itself is blamed on bush no matter where it occurs.....
it isn't even a stretch of the imagination for some to blame 9/11 on bush....we`ve all heard it...
. this insane "logic" spares the moonbats from the painful reality around them and gives them the illusion that they are still in control.....
like whiny petulant angry children, who expect daddy to instantaneously make everything better.....or else they won't like it....
we get it, stevie.....the same old monkey pizzle...
plenty long enough for saddam to move or dispose of anything he had....
the last time i checked,more democrats in congress voted to o.k.action against iraq this time than voted to remove saddam from kuwait...
the phony u.n. trade embargo was falling apart...yada yada.....we`ve been over this ad nauseum...
let`s call a spade a spade for a change...
the gore and kerry election losses..and the clinton blowjob scandal(which i admit was a waste of time,even though he acted like an idiot and brought it on himself)....
fter these,even a mild dislike of "w" rapidly morphed into the ferocious bush hatred we are now all familiar with......
the opposition to a conservative republican and reasonable disagreement with his policies became a swooning hysteria......and an unmitigated, deranged hatred with all the accompanying paranoid delusions......
he is blamed when he does something (anything) and he is blamed when he does nothing.......he is blamed for things that ocurred even before he was president, as well as everything that has happened since.......
he is blamed for things he says; and for things he doesn't say.
what makes bush hatred completely insane however, is the almost delusional degree of certainty that bush and the gang are evil geniouses...l..... while simultaneously believing that he`s a moron.......
and that the true perpetrators of evil in the world are somehow good and decent human beings with the world's intersts at heart.....
it explains why there is more emphasis on protecting the "rights" of terrorists, rather than holding them accountable for their actions (thier actions, by the way are also bush's fault, according to those in the throes of b.d.s)
.. terrorist activity itself is blamed on bush no matter where it occurs.....
it isn't even a stretch of the imagination for some to blame 9/11 on bush....we`ve all heard it...
. this insane "logic" spares the moonbats from the painful reality around them and gives them the illusion that they are still in control.....
like whiny petulant angry children, who expect daddy to instantaneously make everything better.....or else they won't like it....
we get it, stevie.....the same old monkey pizzle...
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If you still think that Bush is a Conservative Republican it is you who is delusional. As for the rest of your whiny tirade it is just more of the same from you and the kool aid drinkers. Even when the facts are thrown right in your face you can't see them. It really is getting to be pathetic with you Bush apologists.
Just a few lies for you to deny Weasle.
"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction."
Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used
for the production of biological weapons."
George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002
"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is
once again misleading the world."
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002
"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent."
George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more."
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003
"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have."
George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003
"If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass
destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months
since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the
crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are
doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East
and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct."
Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003
"So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons
of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our
judgment has to be clearly not."
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most
lethal weapons ever devised."
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003
"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the
operation, for whatever duration it takes."
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003
"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons
of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those
weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have
produced them and who guard them."
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003
"I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction."
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003
"One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a
number of sites."
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003
"Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of
mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty."
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence
that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was
about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found."
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003
"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi
scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he
destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."
George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003
"There are people who in large measure have information that we need .
. . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that
country."
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003
"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so."
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003
"I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there
and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."
Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003
"We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass
destruction in that country."
Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003
"I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of
Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program."
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003
"U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and
find" weapons of mass destruction."
Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003
"I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean,
there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago --
whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're
still hidden."
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003
"Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had
weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them
to be found. I still expect them to be found."
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003
"Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're
interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass
destruction."
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003
"They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer."
Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003
"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the
one reason everyone could agree on."
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003
"It was a surprise to me then -- it remains a surprise to me now --
that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward
dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been
to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border
and Baghdad, but they're simply not there."
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force"
Press Interview
May 30, 2003
"Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do,
because I think there's a lot of information out there."
Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003
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"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons
of mass destruction."
Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002
"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used
for the production of biological weapons."
George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002
"If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is
once again misleading the world."
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002
"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003
"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the
materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX
nerve agent."
George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003
"We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass
destruction, is determined to make more."
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003
"We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized
Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the
dictator tells us he does not have."
George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003
"If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass
destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months
since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the
crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are
doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East
and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct."
Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003
"So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons
of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our
judgment has to be clearly not."
Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003
"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt
that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most
lethal weapons ever devised."
George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003
"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that
Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical
particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the
operation, for whatever duration it takes."
Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003
"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons
of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those
weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have
produced them and who guard them."
Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003
"I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass
destruction."
Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003
"One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a
number of sites."
Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003
"We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad
and east, west, south and north somewhat."
Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003
"Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of
mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty."
Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003
"But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence
that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was
about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found."
Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003
"We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi
scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he
destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them."
George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003
"There are people who in large measure have information that we need .
. . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that
country."
Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003
"We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so."
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003
"I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there
and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now."
Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003
"We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass
destruction in that country."
Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003
"I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of
Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program."
George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003
"U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and
find" weapons of mass destruction."
Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003
"I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean,
there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago --
whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're
still hidden."
Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003
"Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had
weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them
to be found. I still expect them to be found."
Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003
"Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're
interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass
destruction."
Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003
"They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer."
Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003
"For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass
destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the
one reason everyone could agree on."
Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003
"It was a surprise to me then -- it remains a surprise to me now --
that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward
dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been
to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border
and Baghdad, but they're simply not there."
Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force"
Press Interview
May 30, 2003
"Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do,
because I think there's a lot of information out there."
Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003
Posted by billmon
http://billmon.org.v.sabren.com/archives/000172.html
volume is never a solid alternative for substance,stevie...
nice cut and paste....from kos?....
the u.n. ponzi game worked..they ran interference while saddam disposed of the goodies...
one more question...he had weapons...just like south africa had weapons...be they nuclear,chemical or bioligical...that`s a fact....
and this dance went on for over a decade...
if he removed them...got rid of them...why did he do it on the sly?...instead of out in the open for the u.n.to catalog...
thereby saving his regime..his life...his son`s lives?....
the template was there with the ukraine and south africa...not a difficult thing...
WHY WEREN`T THE WEAPONS BAGGED AND TAGGED?
remember,it was illegal to destroy them unless it was under u.n. supervision...
not to mention so incredibly stupid,it begs credulity...
btw...if bush had prefaced his remarks with,"our best intelligence indicates"....would that make it alright?...
would silly semantic games salve your hysteria?....
i doubt it..
nice cut and paste....from kos?....
the u.n. ponzi game worked..they ran interference while saddam disposed of the goodies...
one more question...he had weapons...just like south africa had weapons...be they nuclear,chemical or bioligical...that`s a fact....
and this dance went on for over a decade...
if he removed them...got rid of them...why did he do it on the sly?...instead of out in the open for the u.n.to catalog...
thereby saving his regime..his life...his son`s lives?....
the template was there with the ukraine and south africa...not a difficult thing...
WHY WEREN`T THE WEAPONS BAGGED AND TAGGED?
remember,it was illegal to destroy them unless it was under u.n. supervision...
not to mention so incredibly stupid,it begs credulity...
btw...if bush had prefaced his remarks with,"our best intelligence indicates"....would that make it alright?...
would silly semantic games salve your hysteria?....
i doubt it..
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Enough about Iran and Afgna-whatever. We have Iran in the cross-hairs now. Iran is strategarically close and easier to spell.
Yes, Weasle it was a cut and paste. Do you have a problem with that? Why don't you stick to the subject. Runsfeld, among others who sold us this war said they knew where the WMD was. They lied. Do you argue the fact that they lied?
Left Wing History
Ray McGovern, the former CIA analyst who last week accused Rumsfeld of lying about pre-war intelligence, has a long history of attacking the administration from the left. McGovern co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, which encourages intelligence operatives to undermine the Bush administration by leaking classified information.
He also called for the president's impeachment when he was a star witness in last year's Democratic hearing accusing the administration of misleading the country into war ? claiming the U.S. invaded Iraq for oil, Israel, and to establish military bases in the region.
What's more, the Weekly Standard reports that McGovern served so-called "war crimes indictments" on the Bush White House in January on behalf of the left-wing group, Not in our Name, which was founded by revolutionary Maoist activists.
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Positive Steps
A retired army general who was once called Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's "most outspoken critic" over the war in Iraq now says the U.S. is achieving its objectives there. Barry McCaffrey, perhaps best known as President Clinton's drug czar, blasted the Pentagon in 2003 for invading Iraq without enough troops to keep the peace after the fall of Baghdad.
But after a week in Iraq, McCaffrey praised the morale and effectiveness of U.S. forces as "simply awe inspiring," called the Iraqi Army, "real, growing, and willing to fight," and noted that "the Iraqi police are beginning to show marked improvement in capability."
And while he called foreign fighters a "tactical menace," McCaffery reports, "the foreign jihadist fighters have been defeated as a strategic and operational threat to the creation of an Iraqi government."
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Stevie on the WMD issue--I quess you forgot all the quotes from Dems saying exactly same same thing the Charles continuely put up.
The bottom line is IF you can find quote from someone from either party that said there were NONE prior to invasion---he should be the one singled out.
If he had em and used em and continued to imply he had them and refused inspectors--what conclusion would a sane person from either party come to.
Ray McGovern, the former CIA analyst who last week accused Rumsfeld of lying about pre-war intelligence, has a long history of attacking the administration from the left. McGovern co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, which encourages intelligence operatives to undermine the Bush administration by leaking classified information.
He also called for the president's impeachment when he was a star witness in last year's Democratic hearing accusing the administration of misleading the country into war ? claiming the U.S. invaded Iraq for oil, Israel, and to establish military bases in the region.
What's more, the Weekly Standard reports that McGovern served so-called "war crimes indictments" on the Bush White House in January on behalf of the left-wing group, Not in our Name, which was founded by revolutionary Maoist activists.
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Positive Steps
A retired army general who was once called Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's "most outspoken critic" over the war in Iraq now says the U.S. is achieving its objectives there. Barry McCaffrey, perhaps best known as President Clinton's drug czar, blasted the Pentagon in 2003 for invading Iraq without enough troops to keep the peace after the fall of Baghdad.
But after a week in Iraq, McCaffrey praised the morale and effectiveness of U.S. forces as "simply awe inspiring," called the Iraqi Army, "real, growing, and willing to fight," and noted that "the Iraqi police are beginning to show marked improvement in capability."
And while he called foreign fighters a "tactical menace," McCaffery reports, "the foreign jihadist fighters have been defeated as a strategic and operational threat to the creation of an Iraqi government."
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Stevie on the WMD issue--I quess you forgot all the quotes from Dems saying exactly same same thing the Charles continuely put up.
The bottom line is IF you can find quote from someone from either party that said there were NONE prior to invasion---he should be the one singled out.
If he had em and used em and continued to imply he had them and refused inspectors--what conclusion would a sane person from either party come to.
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gardenweasel said:
Can't let this slip through the cracks without a comment, gw. It has been my position all along that Bush is very moron-like and the people who propped him up for the past few years to get him into public office and continue his march to the top are the evil geniuses. I don't think for one second Bush came up with much of anything on his own. But Rove, Cheney, Rummy, and the crew? And the people who have taken on positions of importance thanks to Bush "ASSuming command?" The grand evil plan has worked to a "T", in my opinion. This excerpt from your post can be quite valid, and not delusional, to my way of thinking.
