Dobbs to President Bush: Do you take us for fools?

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thanks to smurphy i have been watching dobbs as much as i can....& everytime i have watched him he has ripped the federal gov't. over their lack of action with immiration problem...

CNN anchor says administration following 'absurd' policies on border security, illegals

Outspoken CNN anchor Lou Dobbs is thrashing President Bush and senators for continuing to follow what he calls "absurd policies on both issues of border security and illegal immigration," and asks the rhetorical question, "How dumb do you all think we are?"

The scathing remarks come amid this week's report that U.S. officials are tipping off the Mexican government as to the positions of the Minutemen, private American citizens looking to stop the ongoing invasion of illegal aliens across the border.

"President Bush continues to push his guest-worker program and amnesty for anywhere between 11 million and 20 million illegal aliens, and he insists still that nothing less than what he calls comprehensive immigration reform is acceptable," says Dobbs.

"And the lies keep coming from both political parties. This president is not enforcing the immigration laws enacted by Congress, and this Congress is failing in its duty of oversight to demand that those laws be followed. Only a fool, Mr. President, Sen. Kennedy, Sen. McCain, would believe you when you speak of new legislation. You don't enforce the laws now. Would you do so if the law were more to your liking? Would you secure our borders and ports? Would you halt illegal immigration? Those are rhetorical questions, only, I assure you. The answers are obvious; obvious because of your conduct."

Addressing the president, Dobbs says up to 3 million illegal aliens continue to cross our border with Mexico each year, with enforcement against illegal employers of illegal aliens in this country all but nonexistent.

"How do you explain that the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents have all but ended their investigations and inspections of employers that hire illegal aliens? Again, only a rhetorical question, because we all know the answer," Dobbs said.

The CNN anchor goes on to state the "official record," noting only 318 employers out of five and a half million in the U.S. have been fined for hiring illegals since 2001. In 2004, only three employers were fined.

"That is a dismal record, Mr. President, as dismal as the fact that the number of ICE agents assigned to enforce immigration laws in the workplace has declined from only 240 back in 1999 to now less than 100," Dobbs said.

He lays blame for the lack of border security and illegal immigration squarely on the shoulders of "two political parties that are beholden to corporate America, the largest employers of illegal aliens, and the leadership of both parties that are selling out American citizens in search of cheap labor and political advantage. How dumb do you all think we are? Again, that's only a rhetorical question."

Dobbs says he'll suggest on his television show in the coming days that "the leadership of both the Republican and Democratic parties begin to take some notice of our laws and our expectations that those laws be enforced," as well as reminding them they represent all U.S. citizens, and not just corporate America and special interests.

Dobbs has been making headlines in recent weeks, coming under fire by groups not opposed to illegal immigration.

As was reported, hosts on a leftist radio station in Los Angeles have sponsored a contest that will reward the first illegal alien who names his or her new baby after Dobbs.

Meanwhile, an "Ax AOL" campaign was organized last month by defenders of illegal aliens to target Dobbs.

"Why AOL?" asks one of the promoters of the campaign rhetorically. "Lou Dobbs is the number one money maker for CNN so he is not going anywhere as long as he makes money for CNN and right now he is making a ton of money for CNN bashing 'illegal immigration.' CNN is owned by Time Warner and Time Warner also owns AOL, which is being extensively promoted to increase its value as witnessed last week by selling 5 percent of AOL stock to Google. This 5 percent cost Google $1 billion setting a benchmark value for AOL stock. The Google-AOL deal gives AOL a valuation of $20 billion. Billionaire Time Warner shareholder Carl Icahn who controls 3 percent of Time Warner shares has been organizing a proxy battle for control of Time Warner wants to sell AOL."
 

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Senators Agree to Revive Immigration Bill

Senators Agree to Revive Immigration Bill

i hope that the house doesn't budge on their stance......i'm not for rewarding people who break our laws....


May 11, 11:31 AM (ET)

By SUZANNE GAMBOA


WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate leaders reached a deal Thursday on reviving a broad immigration bill that could provide millions of illegal immigrants a chance to become American citizens and said they'll try to pass it before Memorial Day.

The agreement brokered by Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., and Minority Harry Reid, D-Nev., breaks a political stalemate that has lingered for weeks while immigrants and their supporters held rallies, boycotts and protests to push for action.

"We congratulate the Senate on reaching agreement and we look forward to passage of a bill prior to Memorial Day," said Dana Perino, deputy White House press secretary.

Key to the agreement is who will be negotiating a compromise with the House, which last December passed an enforcement-only bill that would subject the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States to felony charges as well as deportation.

Frist said the Senate will send 14 Republicans and 12 Democrats to negotiate with the House, with seven of the Republicans and five Democrats coming from the Judiciary Committee. The remaining seven Republicans will be chosen by Frist and remaining seven Democrats chosen by Reid.

Frist said a "considerable" number of amendments would be debated when the Senate begins debating the bill early next week.

It would be the most comprehensive rewrite of immigration laws since the so-called Simpson-Mazzoli bill some 20 years ago.

Reid acknowledged on the Senate floor Thursday morning that he "didn't get everything that I wanted" in the agreement, but said Frist didn't either. Reaching the agreement is "not easy with the political atmosphere," Reid said.

Reid had been taking some criticism for refusing to move forward on the bill after complaining that Republicans were trying to undermine it with amendments and insisting that Democrats be allowed to have a say in who serves on the conference committee.

Republicans, too, have had opposition from conservatives to the compromise proposal. These critics consider its path to citizenship provision for illegal immigrants and hundreds of thousands of future guest workers to be tantamount to "amnesty."

They've also had to contend with fallout from opposition to the House bill that triggered nationwide protests that drew hundreds of thousands in Los Angeles, Chicago and Dallas and hundreds more in other cities and small communities.

Presidential and midyear politics have been a subtext to the immigration debate. Frist and Arizona Sen. John McCain, one of the architects of the legalization proposal, are prominent in speculation for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination.

The compromise bill the Senate will consider builds on legislation approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee 12-8, with six Republicans voting and all Democrats approving the measure.

That measure absorbed a bill drafted by McCain and Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., that called for allowing illegal immigrants to work toward becoming legal permanent residents.

President Bush had helped accelerate progress on the bill after meeting with a bipartisan group of senators last month and stating clearer support for allowing illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

"Business and labor, Democrats and Republicans, religious leaders and the American people strongly support our plan to strengthen borders, provide a path to earned citizenship for those undocumented workers who are here and put in place a realistic guest worker program for the future," Kennedy said.
 

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Thanks for getting past the CNN stereotype, AR. I knew you'd dig Dobbs once you gave him a chance.
 

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smurphy said:
Thanks for getting past the CNN stereotype, AR. I knew you'd dig Dobbs once you gave him a chance.


murph....

i have nothing against cnn other than i think for the most part their news people are boring....

i do like wolf blitzer though...his shows are pretty informative....
 

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I agree about the boring part. ....And I want to destroy the television if I accidentally leave it on when Larry King starts.
 

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I agree about the boring part. ....And I want to destroy the television if I accidentally leave it on when Larry King starts.


does anybody at cnn realize that king died a few years ago...
 

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Ohhhh, that's a good one. They need to be informed of this. His family needs closure. His 50 years younger wife could use the inheritance - she will need face lifts and collogen someday.
 

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smurphy said:
Thanks for getting past the CNN stereotype, AR. I knew you'd dig Dobbs once you gave him a chance.


dobbs is and has been one of the few conservative voices on that station for years
 

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What I like about him is that he's clearly NON-PARTISAN in his reporting. He's conservative on many issues (like borders), but is also against the rampant outsourcing of jobs and lowering of environmental standards. Definitely a champion of the middle class. He seems to make sense, but free trade advocates usually disagree.
 

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I like him because he does not bend to either left or right. And he is right about the border. Secure it first South and North both. Hell East and West. Then we can work on who gets to stay and how they do it legally and who goes
 

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AR182 said:
i hope that the house doesn't budge on their stance......i'm not for rewarding people who break our laws....

I don't agree with this at all. This problem didn't happen overnight and we can't just wave a magic wand and all of a sudden make felons out of 12 million people who have been given a wink and a nod for 30 years.

As far as being 'rewarded', well i'd say many, many companies have been rewarded with cheap labor and consumers have been rewarded with cheaper prices on many goods.

Besides all that, a bill that makes felons out of these people and priests who counsel them, employers, private citizens who employ them just stirs people into a frenzy and will never pass.

I think that building a wall would placate conservatives and a sensible guest worker/naturalization plan would placate liberals. Also with stiff penalties for companies that employ illegals kicking in in a year or two. I think this sort of plan would pass easily and they should start work on the wall the next day.

This sort of a bill would probably get vetoed though, because of the wall provision and we'd hate to upset our good friend, Vincente Fox.
 

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Kosar is on the right track about not getting a quick fix, but any fix cannot be from the point of view as what is going on right this minute. It has to been done from the root cause and IMHO that root cause is the free welfare entitlements received by anyone crossing our borders.

If we stop all these give aways to these illegals, which is nothing more than common sense, I guarantee the amount of people coming across the border illegally would be greatly reduced.

Then we can work on ways to let people in the way it should be done.

It is absolutely ridiculous to allow ILLEGAL ALIENS OF ANY NATIONALITY to receive benefits of any kind. That has been the main incentive to a path for a better life to the majority of those coming here, not working hard and earning citizenship legally like thousands have done in the past.
 

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kosar said:
I don't agree with this at all. This problem didn't happen overnight and we can't just wave a magic wand and all of a sudden make felons out of 12 million people who have been given a wink and a nod for 30 years.

As far as being 'rewarded', well i'd say many, many companies have been rewarded with cheap labor and consumers have been rewarded with cheaper prices on many goods.

Besides all that, a bill that makes felons out of these people and priests who counsel them, employers, private citizens who employ them just stirs people into a frenzy and will never pass.

I think that building a wall would placate conservatives and a sensible guest worker/naturalization plan would placate liberals. Also with stiff penalties for companies that employ illegals kicking in in a year or two. I think this sort of plan would pass easily and they should start work on the wall the next day.

This sort of a bill would probably get vetoed though, because of the wall provision and we'd hate to upset our good friend, Vincente Fox.


i agree that the businesses that are hiring the illegals should be fined.....on a progressive scale for repeat offenses..

i know it's hard to round up millions of illegals & start deporting them.....but giving them amnesty is not fair to people from other countries trying to get in by playing by the rules......

a quick story....

my wife's hairdresser came to this country from russia with her husband & child (forgot how they came here)......they bought a home & hired an immigration attorney (so far paid about $15,000) a few years ago to become citizens.....they were rejected recently for citizenship (don't know the exact rreason)....lawyer said that he will continue fighting for them...it's probably going to cost another few thousand.....the hairdresser told my wife how angry they are....they are doing it the right way & costing them alot of money....while the illegals from mexico & the like have a chance of becoming citizens by breaking our laws....

there are many cases of people similar to the hairdresser following all of our rules trying to become citizens......where's the fairness...

if we reward people for breaking the law we are then setting a precedent......

i agree with the law but i heard last night that bush is seriously considering sending the national guard....
 
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