Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi Dead

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"....will some of the bombings stop. Baghdad today had 5 with over 40 dead. So he's gone that's good. Now lets see how big a key he was....."

Killed a terrorist which was great, but will have no effect on the insurgency. They are fighting us because of the occupation and that won't change until we quit and leave, then they'll have their civil war by themselves and won't have foreigners to kill.

The reuters headline that gw posted a few postings ago of "Zarqawi leaves gap but insurgency will outlive him..." is absolutely true. They aren't going to stop because one guy died.
 

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You left out the best GW--Air America's(Springer and others) rant on issue about how "E" caused more deaths than Zark--wonder if they have extra 500lb bomb here stateside ;)

Out of curiousity did any other network know who turned him in for $10,000 and prob the $25 Million after confirmation.
Didn't see any info anywhere until retired miltary Hunt fellow on Fox spoke of it on Oreilly last night-- he always is 1st to know details--I wonder how?
 

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In an interview earlier Friday with Fox News Channel, Caldwell was more descriptive of Zarqawi's actions before he died.

"He was conscious initially, according to the U.S. forces that physically saw him," Caldwell told Fox. "He obviously had some kind of visual recognition of who they were because he attempted to roll off the stretcher, as I am told, and get away, realizing it was U.S. military."

Caldwell indicated that U.S. troops "went into the process to provide medical care to him" before Zarqawi expired. He did not elaborate on the medical assistance.
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Just seems funny that they would try to administer medical aide to someone they had just dropped 2 500 lb bunker busters on.

Glad he saw US army before he went to hell
 

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"Zarqawi found, but bin Laden still eludes U.S"

How is this considered spin? I wish this were more of a headline issue than it ever seems to be. Plenty of pro-kill-Zarqawi headlines around over the past day or so...nothing wrong with one news source reminding people that the person responsible for kicking the "terror war" into high gear became a secondary target after we pulled away from the country with a large part of our forces and machinery.

I realize many conservatives at this point buy into Dubbya's outlook when he said he really doesn't think about Bin Laden all that much. He made his choice to peel forces away from the search for Bin Laden and attack elsewhere, and we can all take it for what we think it's worth.
 

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Marco said:
Killed a terrorist which was great, but will have no effect on the insurgency. They are fighting us because of the occupation and that won't change until we quit and leave, then they'll have their civil war by themselves and won't have foreigners to kill.
Unfortunately, I believe that you are probably right.
 

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Military Conducts Raids on Iraq Terrorists
By KIM GAMEL and ROBERT BURNS, AP

BAGHDAD, Iraq (June 9) - Flush with intelligence, the U.S. military moved quickly Friday to take advantage of the power vacuum left by the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, carrying out nearly 40 raids in an effort to stop his terror network from regrouping.

A U.S. military search of the destroyed safehouse where the al-Qaida in Iraq leader was killed Wednesday yielded documents and information storage devices that are being assessed for potential use against his followers, a military officer said.

An M-16 rifle, grenades and AK-47 rifles also were found, according to the officer, who spoke on condition of anonymity because results from the search have not been announced. The U.S.-made M-16 was fitted with special optics.

They also found documents and unspecified "media," which the officer indicated normally means information storage devices such as computer hard drives and digital cameras or other data storage devices.

U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell said 39 raids were conducted across Iraq late Thursday and early Friday, including some directly related to the information they obtained from the strike against al-Zarqawi. Those were in addition to 17 raids carried out immediately after the terror leader was killed.

Caldwell displayed digital photographs of recovered items that he said included a suicide belt, a flak vest, passports and identification cards, vehicle license plates, ammunition belts, rifles and other guns and a night-vision device. He said they were found under the floorboards of a building; he did not identify the location, except to say it was in and around Baghdad.

He said at least 24 people had been detained and one person killed in the raids.

In Ghalbiyah, near where al-Zarqawi was killed, five civilians were killed and three were wounded in a firefight. The circumstances of their deaths were unclear.

AP Television News video footage showed a destroyed house, while another house had bullet holes on the wall and burned furniture inside.

The military also revealed that al-Zarqawi was alive after two 500-pound bombs were dropped on his hideout, though he could barely speak.

"He mumbled something, but it was indistinguishable and it was very short," Caldwell said, adding that al-Zarqawi tried to get away after being placed on a stretcher by Iraqi police.

Caldwell said it was possible that al-Zarqawi was not inside the safehouse when it was attacked, a scenario which might explain why only he among six people killed in the raid initially survived the bombing.

Asked whether al-Zarqawi was shot after U.S. ground troops arrived at the scene, Caldwell said he could not give a definitive answer.

An official in the Iraqi prime minister's office confirmed that the Iraqi forces arrived first, followed by the Americans. "I think our announcement was very clear yesterday and we don't have anything to add," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

Interior Minister Jawad al-Bolani, a Shiite who was named to the key security post Thursday, said al-Zarqawi's death came after a painstaking effort to collect accurate data and investigate every clue.

"The killing of al-Zarqawi didn't occur by chance," al-Bolani told al-Arabiya TV. "His killing will raise the morale of the people as well the morale of the security services."

The death of Iraq's most feared terrorist was the subject of Friday's religious sermons in Iraq.

"The killing of the Jordanian terrorist Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi does not mean the end of terrorism in Iraq," Shiite Sheik Abdul-Mahdi al-Karbalai said in the southern city of Karbala. He called on the government to "kill all the symbols of terrorism and kill all of (al-Zarqawi's) associates to get rid of terrorism in our beloved country."

Many believe al-Zarqawi was among a minority of foreign fighters and that Iraqis make up the heart of the insurgency - Sunni Arab extremists and loyalists of former leader Saddam Hussein and his ousted Baath Party.

"Despite the crimes of al-Zarqawi, the source of terrorism is the Baathists who had supplied him with secure dens and safe havens," Imam Sadr al-Din al-Qupanchi said at a Shiite mosque in Najaf.

Biological samples from al-Zarqawi's body were delivered to an FBI crime laboratory in Virginia for DNA testing. The results were expected in three days.

At the news conference, the U.S. military also provided a revised death toll from the attack.

Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, had said four people, including a woman and a child, were killed with al-Zarqawi and the terrorist's spiritual consultant.

But Caldwell said three women and three men, including al-Zarqawi and spiritual adviser Sheik Abdul-Rahman were killed, but he cautioned that some facts were being sorted out.

The spiritual adviser was initially believed to be Abu Abdul-Rahman al-Iraqi, but analysts said al-Iraqi is a different man - the group's deputy leader who signed the al-Qaida statement announcing al-Zarqawi's death.

American military officials have said that tips from within al-Zarqawi's own terror network helped the U.S. locate and bomb the safe house where the al-Qaida leader was meeting in secret with top associates.

A top Jordanian security official said Thursday that Jordan had been tracking al-Zarqawi's movements in Iraq since the triple hotel bombings in Amman last November and had provided information to the Americans about his whereabouts.

He said the success of the Jordanian intelligence effort was partly a result of information obtained following Jordan's arrest last month of Ziad Khalaf Raja al-Karbouly, an Iraqi al-Qaida operative linked to al-Zarqawi.

"The information provided by Karbouli allowed for the success of the operation" against Zarqawi, the Jordanian security official said.

President Bush said al-Zarqawi's death "helps a lot" with security problems but won't bring an end to the war. He also said it was unclear when Iraqi security forces could take control and let U.S. troops go home.

In a bid to prevent reprisal attacks, Iraqi authorities imposed a driving ban in Baghdad and Diyala province to the north, where al-Zarqawi and the others were killed.

It was a relatively quiet day in Baghdad, a day after at least five car bombs killed nearly 40 people and wounded dozens.

But a roadside bomb hit a police patrol in the northern city of Mosul, killing one person and wounding two, and three oil refinery workers were shot to death near Tikrit. Eight bullet-riddled bodies were found floating near Kut, and a firefight west of Baqouba killed five civilians and wounded three.

Whether the bloodshed continues depends in part on who succeeds al-Zarqawi and the new leader will continue killing Shiite civilians with the intention of sparking a civil war that pits Sunnis against Shiites.

Caldwell said Egyptian-born Abu Ayyub al-Masri - who was named in a most-wanted list issued in February 2005 by the U.S. command and has a $50,000 bounty on his head - would likely take the reins of al-Qaida in Iraq.

He said al-Masri and al-Zarqawi met for the first time at an al-Qaida training camp in Afghanistan in 2001, and al-Masri came to Iraq first. Al-Masri is believed to be an expert at making roadside bombs, the leading cause of U.S. military casualties in Iraq.

Al-Masri also has had "communications" with Osama bin Laden's chief lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahri, Caldwell said.

Al-Zawahri praised al-Zarqawi in a videotape broadcast Friday but did not mention his death in a U.S. air strike, suggesting the tape was made earlier.

Gamel reported from Baghdad while Burns reported from Washington. AP writers Patrick Quinn, Sinan Salaheddin and Qais al-Bashir in Baghdad, and Jamal Halaby in Amman, Jordan, also contributed to this report.


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IO- Good article. That's what I was hoping for when I heard he was killed. Him dying is significant symbolically, but probably didn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things UNLESS they were able to get valuable information out of it. Very happy to hear they did.
 

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Big Picture, we got one guy, what's next ? How many arms, legs, minds, and sons did we spend to this point ? Do you think we can come up with a more cost effective plan for the next 5 yrs ?
 

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If they dropped two five hundred pound bombs on his head, how did he manage to look so presentable in the photo ops?
 

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If they dropped two five hundred pound bombs on his head, how did he manage to look so presentable in the photo ops?

The morticians worked on him for several hours I'm sure before that photo was ever released. He also looked pretty swollen, so I expect he survived the intial blast, even if breifly before he exsanguinated. I have an acquaintance who was on the team that developed that particular type of bomb that doesn't explode until it hits foundation. Quite effective!
 

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My opinion they should post the color shot of his face on muslim sites continuously to ingrain deterance--

Still have not seen anything else reported other than ex military Hunt guy that Oreilly features on who turned him in.
Anyone else here this story--
Was suppose to have been real estate connected person that was in charge of finding safe houses--would say there is prob good chance that who ever turned him in will be listed in list of those killed in raid--so he don't have to look over his shoulder and can enjoy reward.
 

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dtb..

i'm aware of col. hunt....i like him becasue he doesn't beat around the bush(no pun intended).
 
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intense operator-if you are going to quote my posts, kindly quote the entire thought, not just half a sentence. The point of the post was valuable intelligence may have been retrieved from the safe house if it was taken a alternative way. Of course its called war, and I have no sympathy for the child or woman as you try to infer.


Garden, your Christopher Hitchens Reference is incredible. As I said, I believe this was a great thing. However comparing, even uttering Zarqawi' s name in the same breath as Saladin is one of the biggest exaggerations I have seen on this board. Saladin killed millions.
 

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"the bunker"
maybe not as prolific as saladin...but every bit as brutal....wedding parties...heads being sawed off....both were........ :confused:

...wait a minute....breaking news....

bush,cheney and rove did it again.... :shocked:

:director: ""CNN is reporting that the neocon liars have fabricated the method of zarqawi`s demise"

( just in from an "unnamed source")....

"The so-called "gun camera footage", makes it CLEAR that the building was destroyed by demolition charges that had been previously set"......

"Also, it has been conclusively proven that all Jews received phone calls that morning telling them to stay away from the so-called "safe house".

THE SAFE HOUSE WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!!

(do not attempt to resist....the eeee-vil right wing facist dictatorship`s tentacles are all encompassing)
 

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On Nov. 9, 2005, followers of al-Zarqawi conducted suicide bomb attacks in three tourist hotels in Amman ? the Radisson SAS, the Grand Hyatt and the Days Inn ? in which 60 people were killed. A woman with a bomb strapped to her body was detained before she could detonate the device in the Radisson. Her husband was successful in detonating his own device, killing 38 people attending a wedding, including the bride and groom. Interrogation of the woman revealed that the mastermind behind these attacks was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

A believable rationale for these attacks has never been articulated. Up until this incident, al-Zarqawi enjoyed almost cult status in Jordan, sort of a Salah Ad-Din figure battling the forces of the west, ?crusaders? of a sort. However, this operation, which killed almost exclusively Arabs and Muslims, turned public opinion against the Jordan-born al-Zarqawi.

Al-Zarqawi had already been sentenced to death in absentia twice in Jordan, once for an attempted attack in 1999 on the same Radisson SAS hotel in Amman and again for complicity in the 2002 murder of U.S. Embassy officer Lawrence Foley in the ?Abdun section of Amman. Despite these sentences, the Jordanian authorities never really pursued him as long as he remained outside the country.

In response to this senseless operation, King Abdullah II met with Muhammud Zahabi, director of the Jordanian General Intelligence Department (da?irat al-mukhabarat al-?amah), the GID. The king told Zahabi to find al-Zarqawi and eliminate him.

This order was al-Zarqawi?s downfall. The Jordanian GID is easily the most professional of all the numerous Arab intelligence organizations. They are professional, well-trained, disciplined and effective. The key to the successful elimination of al-Zarqawi would be predicated on timely, accurate intelligence delivered to an operational element with the capability to put weapons on the target. That?s exactly what happened. The Jordanians provided much of that timely, accurate intelligence based on their much greater understanding of the region and longtime intelligence sources in Iraq.

It is important to note that the airstrike was conducted in concert with a series of as many as 17 other raids of suspected al-Qaida safe houses. Hopefully, the intelligence gained will allow the Iraqis and coalition to eliminate the remainder of al-Zarqawi?s group. At the very least, the organization will be in temporary disarray as they try to determine how their operational security was compromised.
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Interesting article.

Now if we can just get them to concentrate on Bin Laden.
 

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If they dropped two five hundred pound bombs on his head, how did he manage to look so presentable in the photo ops?
Think about it, there should have been nothing left. I hope they got him, but they did not get him the way they said they did. Do they think we are stupid ? Yes they do and most of us are. Two terms of clinton and bush says we are.
 

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Of course its called war, and I have no sympathy for the child or woman as you try to infer.

:scared :scared


According to iraqbodycount.net:

Min number civilians killed: 38355
Max number civilians killed: 42747


According to US DoD:

2497 military fatalities


What is the true cost of war, and how many more innocent lives will be lost to kill these "evil" men? And after these "evil" men are killed, does this end the violence somehow? How many civilians do we have to kill until we become sympathetic? All of these lives have value to me, and I am overwhelmed with sadness when I think about the fearful situation these innocent people face every day.

Is the death of Zarqawi really going to end the violence, or will it inflame the hatred?
 
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