Civil Disobedience / Thoreau (summary)

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Thoreau's Civil Disobedience espouses the need to prioritize one's conscience over the dictates of laws.

It criticizes American social institutions and policies, most prominently slavery and the Mexican-American War.

Thoreau begins his essay by arguing that government rarely proves itself useful and that it derives its power from the majority because they are the strongest group, not because they hold the most legitimate viewpoint.

He contends that people's first obligation is to do what they believe is right and not to follow the law dictated by the majority.

When a government is unjust, people should refuse to follow the law and distance themselves from the government in general.

A person is not obligated to devote his life to eliminating evils from the world, but he is obligated not to participate in such evils.

This includes not being a member of an unjust institution (like the government).

Thoreau further argues that the United States fits his criteria for an unjust government, given its support of slavery and its practice of aggressive war.

Thoreau doubts the effectiveness of reform within the government, and he argues that voting and petitioning for change achieves little.

He presents his own experiences as a model for how to relate to an unjust government: In protest of slavery, Thoreau refused to pay taxes and spent a night in jail.

But, more generally, he ideologically dissociated himself from the government, "washing his hands" of it and refusing to participate in his institutions.

According to Thoreau, this form of protest was preferable to advocating for reform from within government; he asserts that one cannot see government for what it is when one is working within it.

Civil Disobedience covers several topics, and Thoreau intersperses poetry and social commentary throughout.

For purposes of clarity and readability, the essay has been divided into three sections here, though Thoreau himself made no such divisions.
 

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Thoreau further argues that the United States fits his criteria for an unjust government, given its support of slavery and its practice of aggressive war.

I attended a pacifist high school, so we read Thoreau as assignment, which I particularly enjoyed.

This point in the summary is particularly troubling - U.S. engaging in aggressive or unjust war. I took a Just War Theory class in college and this war in Iraq does not fit the internationally accepted guidelines:


What is a Just War?

Six conditions must be satisfied for a war to be considered just (each condition is linked to more information):

* The war must be for a just cause. [more oil for our cars is not a just cause, there were no WMDs, Bin Laden was in Afghanistan...]

* The war must be lawfully declared by a lawful authority. [U.N. wouldn't back us, but we backed ourselves - into a mess]

* The intention behind the war must be good. [blood for oil, money for corporations]

* All other ways of resolving the problem should have been tried first. [diplomacy? who needs it... weapons inspections? not enough time...]

* There must be a reasonable chance of success. [3 years later no end in sight]

* The means used must be in proportion to the end that the war seeks to achieve. [U.S. taxpayer cost of war over $ 292,000,000,000 and counting, 40,000 dead and counting]


How should a Just War be Fought?

A war that starts as a Just War may stop being a Just War if the means used to wage it are inappropriate.

* Innocent people and non-combatants should not be harmed. [38,764 minimum civilian deaths]

* Only appropriate force should be used.
o This applies to both the sort of force, and how much force is used. [Abu Ghraib, etc]

* Internationally agreed conventions regulating war must be obeyed. [Guantanamo, flying prisoners to foreign countries so we can torture them there]
 
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BEIJING, China (AP) -- China is tightening controls on blogs and search engines to block material deemed subversive or immoral, the government said Friday.

The announcement comes amid a media crackdown by President Hu Jintao's government, with Web sites being shut down and journalists jailed.

"As more and more illegal and unhealthy information spreads through the blog and search engine, we will take effective measures to put the BBS, blog and search engine under control," said Cai Wu, director of the Information Office of China's Cabinet, quoted by the official Xinhua News Agency.

China encourages Internet use for business and education, but tries to block access to material deemed obscene or politically dangerous.

It has the world's second-biggest Internet user population after the United States, with 111 million people online.

China launched a campaign in February to "purify the environment" of the Internet and mobile communications, Xinhua said.

The government will step up research on monitoring technology and issue "admittance standards" for blogs, the report said, without giving details.

China has 37 million Web logs, or blogs, Xinhua said, citing a study by Beijing's Tsinghua University.

It said that was expected to nearly double this year to 60 million.

The government tries to block Internet users from foreign Web sites of human rights groups and political activists, but many have found ways to evade the controls.

Authorities also have launched repeated crackdowns on Web sites that with sexual material, shutting down hundreds of sites and arresting scores of people.

Activists have criticized foreign Internet firms including Yahoo! Inc., Google Inc. and Microsoft Corp. for cooperating with China's censorship efforts.

The companies say they are obliged to comply with Chinese law if they operate in the country.

In December, Microsoft's U.S.-based Web log-hosting service shut down a Chinese customer's blog at Beijing's request after it discussed politically sensitive issues.
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Just think Scott, China sounds like some in our administration that want to skirt our laws.
 

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How do you fight a "just" war?

But how do we define "just?"

Some military leaders say you must fight with all your might. If you don't, you're not really fighting.

Some might say the question has to do with a "moral departure point".

When is enough...enough?

In WWII during the bombing raids in Dresden, some say our bombing strategy was necessary in order to defeat the Germans. However, the bombing resulted in the loss of more than 40,000 innocents...women and children.

Can an involvement in a major conflict afford attitudes like "moral departure point?"

In a free, capitalistic society, we say "let the buyer beware."

Should we apply the same caution when involved in a war and say, let the citizens beware?"
 

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"Justice" in war?

"Justice" in war?

most thinkers can't define justice when it comes to parking tickets.

General Curtis Le May, architect of US fire bombing raids in Japan---firebombing Tokyo killed more Japanese than either atomic bomb---admitted later he'd probably been tried as a war criminal if US had lost. "Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... Every soldier thinks something of the moral aspects of what he is doing. But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier."
 

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Terryray-

I was not implying that there is "justice in war". In my opinion, war is one of the biggest injustices, but it is a tool the world uses now to solve problems, so there need to be guidelines for just and unjust wars, and just and unjust ways to fight wars, in order to minimize unprovoked conflicts and the horrific impacts that come along with war.

And since everyone is throwing out quotes, I will add one by a Founding Father and author of our Declaration of Independence (fitting on this day as well):

"War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses."

--Thomas Jefferson
 
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