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July 22, 2006
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U.S. Speeds Up Bomb Delivery for the Israelis
By DAVID S. CLOUD and HELENE COOPER
WASHINGTON, July 21 ? The Bush administration is rushing a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel, which requested the expedited shipment last week after beginning its air campaign against Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, American officials said Friday.

The decision to quickly ship the weapons to Israel was made with relatively little debate within the Bush administration, the officials said. Its disclosure threatens to anger Arab governments and others because of the appearance that the United States is actively aiding the Israeli bombing campaign in a way that could be compared to Iran?s efforts to arm and resupply Hezbollah.

The munitions that the United States is sending to Israel are part of a multimillion-dollar arms sale package approved last year that Israel is able to draw on as needed, the officials said. But Israel?s request for expedited delivery of the satellite and laser-guided bombs was described as unusual by some military officers, and as an indication that Israel still had a long list of targets in Lebanon to strike.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Friday that she would head to Israel on Sunday at the beginning of a round of Middle Eastern diplomacy. The original plan was to include a stop to Cairo in her travels, but she did not announce any stops in Arab capitals.

Instead, the meeting of Arab and European envoys planned for Cairo will take place in Italy, Western diplomats said. While Arab governments initially criticized Hezbollah for starting the fight with Israel in Lebanon, discontent is rising in Arab countries over the number of civilian casualties in Lebanon, and the governments have become wary of playing host to Ms. Rice until a cease-fire package is put together.

To hold the meetings in an Arab capital before a diplomatic solution is reached, said Martin S. Indyk, a former American ambassador to Israel, ?would have identified the Arabs as the primary partner of the United States in this project at a time where Hezbollah is accusing the Arab leaders of providing cover for the continuation of Israel?s military operation.?

The decision to stay away from Arab countries for now is a markedly different strategy from the shuttle diplomacy that previous administrations used to mediate in the Middle East. ?I have no interest in diplomacy for the sake of returning Lebanon and Israel to the status quo ante,? Ms. Rice said Friday. ?I could have gotten on a plane and rushed over and started shuttling around, and it wouldn?t have been clear what I was shuttling to do.?

Before Ms. Rice heads to Israel on Sunday, she will join President Bush at the White House for discussions on the Middle East crisis with two Saudi envoys, Saud al-Faisal, the foreign minister, and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the secretary general of the National Security Council.

The new American arms shipment to Israel has not been announced publicly, and the officials who described the administration?s decision to rush the munitions to Israel would discuss it only after being promised anonymity. The officials included employees of two government agencies, and one described the shipment as just one example of a broad array of armaments that the United States has long provided Israel.

One American official said the shipment should not be compared to the kind of an ?emergency resupply? of dwindling Israeli stockpiles that was provided during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, when an American military airlift helped Israel recover from early Arab victories.

David Siegel, a spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, said: ?We have been using precision-guided munitions in order to neutralize the military capabilities of Hezbollah and to minimize harm to civilians. As a rule, however, we do not comment on Israel?s defense acquisitions.?

Israel?s need for precision munitions is driven in part by its strategy in Lebanon, which includes destroying hardened underground bunkers where Hezbollah leaders are said to have taken refuge, as well as missile sites and other targets that would be hard to hit without laser and satellite-guided bombs.

Pentagon and military officials declined to describe in detail the size and contents of the shipment to Israel, and they would not say whether the munitions were being shipped by cargo aircraft or some other means. But an arms-sale package approved last year provides authority for Israel to purchase from the United States as many as 100 GBU-28?s, which are 5,000-pound laser-guided bombs intended to destroy concrete bunkers. The package also provides for selling satellite-guided munitions.

An announcement in 2005 that Israel was eligible to buy the ?bunker buster? weapons described the GBU-28 as ?a special weapon that was developed for penetrating hardened command centers located deep underground.? The document added, ?The Israeli Air Force will use these GBU-28?s on their F-15 aircraft.?

American officials said that once a weapons purchase is approved, it is up to the buyer nation to set up a timetable. But one American official said normal procedures usually do not include rushing deliveries within days of a request. That was done because Israel is a close ally in the midst of hostilities, the official said.

Although Israel had some precision guided bombs in its stockpile when the campaign in Lebanon began, the Israelis may not have taken delivery of all the weapons they were entitled to under the 2005 sale.

Israel said its air force had dropped 23 tons of explosives Wednesday night alone in Beirut, in an effort to penetrate what was believed to be a bunker used by senior Hezbollah officials.

A senior Israeli official said Friday that the attacks to date had degraded Hezbollah?s military strength by roughly half, but that the campaign could go on for two more weeks or longer. ?We will stay heavily with the air campaign,? he said. ?There?s no time limit. We will end when we achieve our goals.?

The Bush administration announced Thursday a military equipment sale to Saudi Arabia, worth more than $6 billion, a move that may in part have been aimed at deflecting inevitable Arab government anger at the decision to supply Israel with munitions in the event that effort became public.

On Friday, Bush administration officials laid out their plans for the diplomatic strategy that Ms. Rice will pursue. In Rome, the United States will try to hammer out a diplomatic package that will offer Lebanon incentives under the condition that a United Nations resolution, which calls for the disarming of Hezbollah, is implemented.

Diplomats will also try to figure out the details around an eventual international peacekeeping force, and which countries will contribute to it. Germany and Russia have both indicated that they would be willing to contribute forces; Ms. Rice said the United States was unlikely to.

Implicit in the eventual diplomatic package is a cease-fire. But a senior American official said it remained unclear whether, under such a plan, Hezbollah would be asked to retreat from southern Lebanon and commit to a cease-fire, or whether American diplomats might depend on Israel?s continued bombardment to make Hezbollah?s acquiescence irrelevant.

Daniel Ayalon, Israel?s ambassador to Washington, said that Israel would not rule out an international force to police the borders of Lebanon and Syria and to patrol southern Lebanon, where Hezbollah has had a stronghold. But he said that Israel was first determined to take out Hezbollah?s command and control centers and weapons stockpiles.

Thom Shanker contributed reporting for this article.
 

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would this have happened if hezbollah(which is a part of the lebanese gov`t)had not used the territiory that israel returned to lebanon in return for peace as a staging ground to cross the israeli border,murder 8 soldiers and kidnap several more?.....

just as they use gaza...evecuated by israel for peace....forcibly evicting their own citizens....to launch more attacks on israeli cities....

leave that postage stamp called israel alone....use all that nefarious energy to build a civilized modern society.....as many lebanese wished to...and were well on the way to doing....

and instead,hezbollah ruins lebanon`s quest for some sort of democracy...israel is hit yet again....as the terroroists hide their rockets in mosques and homes.....and hide amongst civilians.....

as kofi anus and the u.n. again does nothing....

resolutions ignored and laughed at....rape by their troops,the rule rather than the exception...

and israel is expected to take it....again...only,this time they didn`t...
 

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btw..another nice job by the n.y.t`s...who`s readership is shrinking faster than grant williams in "the incredible shrinking man".....
 

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Buffer zone

Buffer zone

OK let Isreal create, at the total expense of whomever, build a 100 mile buffer zone around itself, the American taxpayer is footing the bill anyhow.

Will that protect them from larger intermediate range missle attack from whomever? Suitcase nuke? Biologic agents?

I agree that part of the world is very unstable, I do not have answers, just tired of the pro-Isreal slant that has insinuated itself into the fabric of everyday American life.

On the evening news they showed Jewish bomb shelter for children, and interviewed a blue eyed blond angelic girl. This right after they showed the attempted destruction of a Lebanese TV station that was showing the Isreal destruction to the free world.

Even my naive wife commented on the storyline bias....
 

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pro-israeli bias?......

just leave `em alone...let `em have what the u.n.,in it`s omnipotent wisdom gave `em....israel`s about the size of rhode island.....

look at a map....

all these oil sheiks should be able to turn palestine into heaven on earth...show israel up....

or at least turn it into something comparable to a rich and thriving tel aviv.....they`re only a matter of miles apart....

why can`t they?....

how can any free person...and person living in this democracy we live in....espouse the doctrine of a theocracy that wants to commit genocide on a fellow democracy?...

you have any idea how many americans your beloved hezbollah has murdered?
 

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o.k.......no pissing match....i agree...

don`t know about "joo-watch"......don`t like the sound of it,though...sounds like anti-semitic stuff....

but,i wouldn`t know....and i don`t think i`m interested...

just find the concept of annihilating an entire nation a little hitlerian...

actually,find the notion of every other religion...or non-muslim believer being considered an infidel a little abhorrent...

they`re trying to kill us,too,ya` know........that is,if you are an american...or even a canadian....or a frenchman....a brit...a hindu...a buddhist...a christian...an egyptian......

covers alot of ground...

i find that scary and sobering...

gets my attention....

peace.....
 
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there are arabs in israel...how many jews in gaza?......

there are mosques springing up all over the u.s,canada and europe...

how many christian or buddhist or hindu temples in saudi arabia?.....
 

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A Neo-Nazi Hate Group Uses Hurricane Katrina Disaster To Cash In
By Mike Makler

"The lows some people will sink too in order to cash in on the pain and suffering of the Hurricane Katrina Disaster Victims. Frank Weltner registered 10 Web Sites with names like donate-katrina.com, katrinafamilies.com, and neworleanscharities.com soliciting donations for Hurricane Katrina Disaster Victims.

Missouri Attorney General Jay Nixon has filed a law suit against Frank Weltner. In his lawsuit, Nixon said that none of the Web sites were registered as charitable organizations, were not properly registered as tax exempt entities, and that Weltner failed to disclose that donations were not tax-deductible. According to Jay Nixon Frank Weltner has been associated with the National Alliance listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as one of the nation’s largest and most active neo-Nazi hate groups. (Much of the above information appears on the State of MO Web page at ago.state.mo.us/newsreleases/2005/091605.htm)

Don't let people like Frank Weltner keep you from giving, the Hurricane Katrina Victims really do need your help and support. Before you donate to a charity you need to make sure it is a Non Profit Organization. The Charity watch group (Charitynavigator.org) allows you to search for Charities by name or keywords. CNN.Com Lists over 80 well known Charities that are helping the Hurricane Katrina Disaster Relief Effort (cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/help.center/)........

lol
 

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that weltner...that`s some role model you have there,d.m.....

i hope everyone on this site reads your cut and paste party....

it helps make perfectly clear what americans are up against...and how many in america...that consider themselves "hyphenated americans/canadians"...really feel about their country...and our allies...

lord,why would radical canadian/islamists want to hurt canada?

we know that america is obviously in your cross-hairs...after all...we`re the "big satan"....

i hope that those that read this realize that you`re making ahmadinnerjacket`s case.....2 peas in a pod...

as for the hated joos...they give back gaza...get out of lebanon....for peace...

and they get hezbollah digging tunnels under the border to murder and kidnap...and rockets moved closer to strike deeper into israel....

hezbollah?.....the hezbollah that murders americans(or as you might call them,"infidels")..the hezbollah that acts as iran`s proxy......they get their wish...a 2-fer....they draw israel into a response....become the spark that helps ruin a burgeoning lebanon....a lebanon that is attempting to become a democracy...

while showing such consideration for it`s people that they hide amongst the population...hoping for as many civilian casualties as possible...

as your hero weltner might say..."that`s mighty white of them"...

i can imagine you looking at old concentration camp photos and saying to yourself,"look how happy the joos are in 99 out of the 100 of these pictures....so what if the 100th photo shows bodies stacked in heaps, that's all you people care about?""...


lack of awareness....active denial...blinkered thinking.....dogmatic views....lack of historical knowledge and perspective....

what's that, 5-6 strikes?....weltner and dead money...they`rrrrre out!....

lol again...

i hope for peace...but i expect that this will end...when islamofascists get a nuclear weapon....

then,you can come back and crow...
 
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You are really a funny guy Weaz....

You are really a funny guy Weaz....

Wish I could have your narrow view of the world.....you are an obvious "Sheeple".

Keep believing the blather that the media feeds you, would not want you to have to think for yourself....

Never claimed anyone as a hero, those are your dismissive words to someone who disputes your very narrow little world.


gltu.
 

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deadmoney.....it`s a conversation...about a very hot topic......that may be personal to you,your faith,or your heritage....

i`m not jewish...i`m just another american civvy with an attitude... :D ...and an opinion...

i appreciate that you`ve been able to discuss the issue and keep it in your pants....

this is your thread....thanks for the debate...
 

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That jewwatch site is a bunch of racist conspiracy bullshlt. Thanks for sharing.
 

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it's unbelievable that somebody would copy & paste an article from a site that is called "jew watch" & thinks that it is credible.....

boy i'm sure glad that the football season is starting because dealing with this putz & the other putz would be tiring.

i'm out of this forum...
 
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