the enemy within
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DTB when it comes to Nam most of America not just Liberals had enough of it. And the mismanagement was a big part of it. You know after being there the north would have kept coming till last person was alive. So yes Im afraid the end would have only came as what we had to do with Japan. We need to break there spirit and capture there minds. It maybe the same with some of the Idiots were dealing with again. Until there families get sick of there population going in to body bags. We just need to pick our fights with right countries better. I still say Iraq was rushed, stupid and mismanaged. When we new Iran and N Korea were the threat they are. And with out finishing Afghan. When is last time we heard there looking for Bin or even care any more.
This Lebanon deal is tough one for Israel this time. There enemy is dam near half a country. For Bush to just say terrorist is missing the mark. Yes there are estimate 4000 to 5000 what ever you care to call them. However there is a whole community of Hezbollah.They have hospitals, banks, Run aid agencies own and run business giving people jobs. And there estimated to be 80000 to 90000 of them. So this is in need of more thought then ever before. Believe Isreal is working on there minds and spirit right now. Problem is for frst time in along time there tryng to do same to Israel. We will have to see how long the world will let it continue.
This Lebanon deal is tough one for Israel this time. There enemy is dam near half a country. For Bush to just say terrorist is missing the mark. Yes there are estimate 4000 to 5000 what ever you care to call them. However there is a whole community of Hezbollah.They have hospitals, banks, Run aid agencies own and run business giving people jobs. And there estimated to be 80000 to 90000 of them. So this is in need of more thought then ever before. Believe Isreal is working on there minds and spirit right now. Problem is for frst time in along time there tryng to do same to Israel. We will have to see how long the world will let it continue.
This is straight from 'Art of War'. You simply can't win a pre-emptive war that gets prolonged more than a few years. Wars like Iraq and Vietnam need to be won quickly. They are a sideshow and Americans don't directly feel like their life is at stake. We eventually get tired of the deaths and begin to feel the fighting isn't worth it. Not all of us, but most of us. These kinds of wars need to be won quickly and convincingly or not fought at all. Our leaders show complete incompetence when they don't recognize this.DOGS THAT BARK said:
You can blame liberals all you want, but you'd be more accurate at blaming our free society and human nature. Would you rather the people don't have a voice and we just do everything we are told all the time no matter what? ....Wouldn't have been much point fighting Vietnam if that were the case because that's sounds more like China or the Soviets - the people we were supposedly against.
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Will not argue point if we should have engaged in war at all--would lean to no before I went--but on the fence after there.
Did not like way war was fought--if had gone all out with bombing north to kingdom come would have been over in a year--but then there would have been neighbor 70 miles away to contend with --China.
However be that what it may--as it was fought we had reached the point of downhill battle as NVA was almost out of of picture completely and had retreated to north VN- Laos and Cambodia.
Move into Cambodia dicimated their supplies--Arvins were taking over more of fight and U.S. was more in support result (per figures above) in huge drop in casualties.Just when things were coming under control and all the sacrifices were seeing results-
--and low and behold what happens --they come out wailing and admin bows to pressure and results is history.
Then to top it off we that fought this war have to listen to same fannypackers on how "we" the military were responsible for treaty stalemate.
Now if you think it was just the stalemate that we suffered on account of these non-miltary carpers--think again--every enemy we have in future (as UBL has stated) will count on these same "elements" in their stratagy--and once again they are not disappointed by their unknowing allies of these same liberal elements.
Did not like way war was fought--if had gone all out with bombing north to kingdom come would have been over in a year--but then there would have been neighbor 70 miles away to contend with --China.
However be that what it may--as it was fought we had reached the point of downhill battle as NVA was almost out of of picture completely and had retreated to north VN- Laos and Cambodia.
Move into Cambodia dicimated their supplies--Arvins were taking over more of fight and U.S. was more in support result (per figures above) in huge drop in casualties.Just when things were coming under control and all the sacrifices were seeing results-
--and low and behold what happens --they come out wailing and admin bows to pressure and results is history.
Then to top it off we that fought this war have to listen to same fannypackers on how "we" the military were responsible for treaty stalemate.
Now if you think it was just the stalemate that we suffered on account of these non-miltary carpers--think again--every enemy we have in future (as UBL has stated) will count on these same "elements" in their stratagy--and once again they are not disappointed by their unknowing allies of these same liberal elements.
That's politics. A lot of what you say is the same as my father - he had the same frustrations. Unfortunately, the political leadership failed to follow the advice of the most knowledged and experienced military leaders in both Vietnam and Iraq. They bought into what they wanted to hear going in (McNamara, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld), and end up having to make purely political decisions 5-6 years later. I'm sure in order to get elected, the next administration will have to withdraw most of the troops from Iraq, and the whole venture will look as frustrating as Vietnam did.
In both cases, the war could have been won with overwhelming forces, but the Johnson and Bush administrations used 'wishful thinking' strategies instead being realistic or not engaging at all. They were/are both terrible leaders in that respect.
In both cases, the war could have been won with overwhelming forces, but the Johnson and Bush administrations used 'wishful thinking' strategies instead being realistic or not engaging at all. They were/are both terrible leaders in that respect.
Agree with you both. Look at N Korea we lost over 44000 in 3 years. But did not fight it right in the end for same reason DTB mention about Nam. China.
