Under 11.5+130. Marquez in an entire other league here. Jandaeng will get hit so much his family will feel it. He packs it in inside the disrance.
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Boxing; Marquez-Jandaeng; 8/05/2006
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Jaendang actually has a hell of a lot of heart. I saw him fight Guzman and he tried his ass off. However Guzman did drop him pretty hard 1 time and he was hurt. Guzman didn;t finish him but I believe he hurt his hands in that fight (Guzman always hurts his hands), JMM punches well but his style sometimes don't lead to stopping the other guy. In closing, it seems like a good bet. JMM should hit him a good bit as long as Jaendang keeps trying like he did against Guzman.
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Jaendang actually has a hell of a lot of heart. I saw him fight Guzman and he tried his ass off. However Guzman did drop him pretty hard 1 time and he was hurt. Guzman didn;t finish him but I believe he hurt his hands in that fight (Guzman always hurts his hands), JMM punches well but his style sometimes don't lead to stopping the other guy. In closing, it seems like a good bet. JMM should hit him a good bit as long as Jaendang keeps trying like he did against Guzman.
Thanks for the response. I say I like the under 11.5 due mostly pedigree. Jaendang's opponents don't impress. Marquez is a "break em down" guy. He has a good work rate and lets not forget his heart versus Pac-man( I was at that fight). I believe Jaendang really hasn't seen the quality fighter Marquez is. Also, Marquez KNOWS he must save his career from self destructing. It will be close. Hell, Marquez may lose. I don't care. I hope for a slug-fest. JMM will counter punch with the best of them.
Honestly, I think Guzman is as good as JMM. It don't really matter though like I said Guzman didn't stop Jaendang because he has bad hands. JMM is a more consistent hard puncher who will break a guy down who keeps coming forward. That's what I am saying though. Marquez can be content to just win like he did against Orlando Saldio. Salido didn't try hard though. He felt a few punches and fought like a puss. Jaendang seems to try real hard even when outclassed which is why JMM has a good shot of stopping him.
marquez doesn`t seem to have a second gear,most times..he starts slow and doesn`t like to be pushed hard early...he likes to settle in.......he works steadily...and as marks said,he "breaks guys down".....
i think that jaendang`s style,even as tough as he is,should play into the marquez`fantastic counter punching ability...this is the type of guy that makes marquez look fantastic........... unless jaendrang can do pacquaio-like damage early...and i doubt he has the pacquaio quicks....
and i wonder how much pent up frustration marquez has after the john fiasco?.....
would be an excellent venue...on american t.v.....to get back on the map....to make a statement...
i think that jaendang`s style,even as tough as he is,should play into the marquez`fantastic counter punching ability...this is the type of guy that makes marquez look fantastic........... unless jaendrang can do pacquaio-like damage early...and i doubt he has the pacquaio quicks....
and i wonder how much pent up frustration marquez has after the john fiasco?.....
would be an excellent venue...on american t.v.....to get back on the map....to make a statement...
Ah yes, my good man GW! I did not consider the loss to John as a frustration motivator. Lets not forget, Marquez is an accountant by trade and as such he is conservative. However, he will dig in if he can stop his man, when it becomes apparent.
nice call there,skippy......i would have passed over it if you hadn`t posted.....
muchos gracias,amigo...
muchos gracias,amigo...
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you sure have a way with words franky.
a win is a win.
Thanks boys. My other play went down the sewer. Goes to show ya; Marquez I have seen fight many times, live and on cable. The other guy(Hanshaw), I saw maybe once. Kind of like the song " One note samba"; play the notes you know. Some guys (box I am sure) can read a guys record, reports, interviews, etc. and make a sound decision. Seems I cannot. If I ain't familiar with the guy, I'm in trouble. Scott-seek help.
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franky
go with what you know. Something tells me you stay in trouble most of the time.
any more pedigrees on the horizon ?
frank s. said:
I'm in the same boat, if I can see the guys fight I much more confident when making a bet, and unfortunantly I can't find anywhere to watch videos on the net of fighters, which might be illegal although I'm sure I'll never see a commercial tape of nikolai valuev or those other overseas fighters, I guess it's copyrighted by the promoters.
It's ok Scotty boy; God still loves you. Look up pedigree in the dictionary; it may help you to better understand what was being said. Haus-this w/e, I have seen Rahman many times. I ain't impressed. Slow, plodding mook. But the other guy I've seen maybe once. So I'll probably defer to the more astute opinions posted.
franky
If I am not mistaken the guy Rahman is fighting is the same guy that knocked him out of the friggin ring last time they fought.
I only got to see that once to know what the play is.
Its all in the pedigree me thinks.
If I am not mistaken the guy Rahman is fighting is the same guy that knocked him out of the friggin ring last time they fought.
I only got to see that once to know what the play is.
Its all in the pedigree me thinks.
Las Vegas ? America?s only world heavyweight champion, Baltimore-born Hasim Rahman, will defend his world title for pride, honor and country when he takes on hard-punching No. 1-rated contender and mandatory challenger Oleg Maskaev of Kazakhstan, at the Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, on Saturday, August 12.
Rahman is the last remaining American to hold a world heavyweight title in a division dominated by natives of the former Soviet Union.
?The Rock is America?s Last Line of Defense,? said Bob Arum of Top Rank. ?He?s a great champion but he?s in very tough against Maskaev.?
"Rahman-Maskaev II is a very intriguing heavyweight title fight," said Mark Taffet of HBO Pay-Per-View. "Rahman wants to defend his belt and avenge his 1999 loss to Maskaev, and Maskaev is just as determined to win again."
In their previous bout in 1999, Maskaev rallied late and slammed Rahman with an overhand right which sent him through the ropes head-first and onto the HBO announcing team table. It was a chilling, riveting finish with Maskaev getting the stoppage in the eighth round.
That was seven years ago and Dennis Rappaport, the promoter of Maskaev, said ?Oleg has had a lot of peaks and valleys since that win over Rahman. But Oleg has battled back and he has earned his position as the #1 challenger.?
Maskaev grew up in Abai, Kazakhstan where he labored on a farm, worked in a coal mine, joined the Russian Army, became a Lieutenant, joined the Russian Amateur Boxing Team, became a National Champion and stopped Vitali Klitschko in one round.
At the age of 33, Hasim is an 11-year pro. A two-time heavyweight world champion, he defended the WBC heavyweight world title in his last fight with a 12 round draw against former three-time world champion James Toney on March 18.
After the fight, Hasim said, ?The heavyweight division needed a good fight. I think we put on a good fight. He can punch harder than a lot of heavyweights I?ve been in with. He?s brave, he?s got heart, he?s got speed, power, he?s a force to be reckoned with. I ain?t ashamed to admit I learned a thing or two from James Toney tonight. James proved he could stand up to a heavyweight power puncher. I earned some respect from James, and he earned some respect from me.?
Hasim won the WBC interim heavyweight world title in August, 2005, with a 12-round unanimous decision against Monte Barrett.
Hasim was first scheduled to challenge WBC world champion Vitali Klitschko on April 30 for the title, but the fight was postponed and rescheduled twice - on June 18 and July 23 - due to injuries sustained by Klitschko. The WBC authorized the fight for the interim title in Klitschko?s absence, with the condition that Klitschko fight the winner in his next fight.
Hasim was again scheduled to fight Klitschko on November 12, but Klitschko was again injured in training and retired. Having won the interim world title and the world title vacated, according to WBC rules, Hasim became WBC heavyweight world champion. It was the same WBC rule that applied when Lennox Lewis and Ken Norton became WBC heavyweight world champions after winning final world title eliminators.
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Rahman is the last remaining American to hold a world heavyweight title in a division dominated by natives of the former Soviet Union.
?The Rock is America?s Last Line of Defense,? said Bob Arum of Top Rank. ?He?s a great champion but he?s in very tough against Maskaev.?
"Rahman-Maskaev II is a very intriguing heavyweight title fight," said Mark Taffet of HBO Pay-Per-View. "Rahman wants to defend his belt and avenge his 1999 loss to Maskaev, and Maskaev is just as determined to win again."
In their previous bout in 1999, Maskaev rallied late and slammed Rahman with an overhand right which sent him through the ropes head-first and onto the HBO announcing team table. It was a chilling, riveting finish with Maskaev getting the stoppage in the eighth round.
That was seven years ago and Dennis Rappaport, the promoter of Maskaev, said ?Oleg has had a lot of peaks and valleys since that win over Rahman. But Oleg has battled back and he has earned his position as the #1 challenger.?
Maskaev grew up in Abai, Kazakhstan where he labored on a farm, worked in a coal mine, joined the Russian Army, became a Lieutenant, joined the Russian Amateur Boxing Team, became a National Champion and stopped Vitali Klitschko in one round.
At the age of 33, Hasim is an 11-year pro. A two-time heavyweight world champion, he defended the WBC heavyweight world title in his last fight with a 12 round draw against former three-time world champion James Toney on March 18.
After the fight, Hasim said, ?The heavyweight division needed a good fight. I think we put on a good fight. He can punch harder than a lot of heavyweights I?ve been in with. He?s brave, he?s got heart, he?s got speed, power, he?s a force to be reckoned with. I ain?t ashamed to admit I learned a thing or two from James Toney tonight. James proved he could stand up to a heavyweight power puncher. I earned some respect from James, and he earned some respect from me.?
Hasim won the WBC interim heavyweight world title in August, 2005, with a 12-round unanimous decision against Monte Barrett.
Hasim was first scheduled to challenge WBC world champion Vitali Klitschko on April 30 for the title, but the fight was postponed and rescheduled twice - on June 18 and July 23 - due to injuries sustained by Klitschko. The WBC authorized the fight for the interim title in Klitschko?s absence, with the condition that Klitschko fight the winner in his next fight.
Hasim was again scheduled to fight Klitschko on November 12, but Klitschko was again injured in training and retired. Having won the interim world title and the world title vacated, according to WBC rules, Hasim became WBC heavyweight world champion. It was the same WBC rule that applied when Lennox Lewis and Ken Norton became WBC heavyweight world champions after winning final world title eliminators.
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franky - this here is all the pedigree we need on this guy.
Maskaev grew up in Abai, Kazakhstan where he labored on a farm, worked in a coal mine, joined the Russian Army, became a Lieutenant, joined the Russian Amateur Boxing Team, became a National Champion and stopped Vitali Klitschko in one round.
Maskaev grew up in Abai, Kazakhstan where he labored on a farm, worked in a coal mine, joined the Russian Army, became a Lieutenant, joined the Russian Amateur Boxing Team, became a National Champion and stopped Vitali Klitschko in one round.
Lines still not posted at Oly for this fight.
I am thinking that Rahman will be the favorite here. How can he not be after all this time has passed.
I am thinking that Rahman will be the favorite here. How can he not be after all this time has passed.
Both men opened the eighth by trading jabs but Maskaev was able to land when Rahman attempted to unload more heavy artillery. With 2:12 to go in the round, Maskaev nailed his opponent with yet another clubbing left hook flush on the jaw. Moments later, Maskaev rocked Rahman with another hook and then a series of punishing right hands to the head. Rahman's knees buckled as he attempted to fight off the ropes and Maskaev continued to land thunderous shots. Rahman was finally forced to clinch and referee Eddie Cotton separated the athletes. Rahman's legs looked gone as he stumbled across the ring but remained upright. With 1:13 to go in the 8th and Rahman's back against the ropes, Maskaev nailed him with a screaming right hand to the point of the chin. The force of the blow drove Rahman between the third and second strand of the ropes and he exited the ring head first. HBO commentator Jim Lampley attempted to break the big heavyweight's fall but Rahman crashed to the floor and took out the compubox monitor during his rapid descent. Within seconds all hell broke loose while flying folding chairs nailed their victims and small fights broke out amongst the fans.
The ring doctor was at Rahman side almost immediately rendering aid. His first move was to remove Rahman's mouthpiece. Rahman was stretched out flat on his back starring straight up at the ring lights as the medical crew worked over the fallen fighter. Referee Cotton began his count and Rahman was finally able to sit up at around the 15 mark. It was clearly obvious that Rahman was unable to climb back into the ring and Maskaev began celebrating the stunning victory. It would take a number of minutes before the previously top-rated heavyweight was able to somehow climb back into the ring and offer congratulations to Maskaev.
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Down goes Frazier ! Down goes Frazier !
The ring doctor was at Rahman side almost immediately rendering aid. His first move was to remove Rahman's mouthpiece. Rahman was stretched out flat on his back starring straight up at the ring lights as the medical crew worked over the fallen fighter. Referee Cotton began his count and Rahman was finally able to sit up at around the 15 mark. It was clearly obvious that Rahman was unable to climb back into the ring and Maskaev began celebrating the stunning victory. It would take a number of minutes before the previously top-rated heavyweight was able to somehow climb back into the ring and offer congratulations to Maskaev.
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Down goes Frazier ! Down goes Frazier !
OLEG MASKAEV
Fighter Bio | Fighter Record | Discuss
updated July 26, 2006
The parents of Oleg Maskaev were born in Moscow, USSR and then migrated to Abai, Kazakhstan. Oleg grew up hard, laboring countless hours on the family farm and working under stifling conditions in the coal mines. Later Oleg joined the Russian Army and rose to the rank of Lieutenant. He joined the Russian Amateur Boxing Team and became a National Amateur Champion. In a battle of Russian amateur superstars, he stopped Vitali Klitschko in the 1st round.
On February 14, 1995, Oleg came to the United States, which he always viewed as the land of opportunity, a country that represented to him that if you worked hard and sacrificed, you and your family could realize the American Dream filled with hopes and aspirations for a better future.
Up until approximately three years ago Oleg's career could best be described as being one of the most mis-managed fighters in boxing history. In his very first professional bout, they put him in against Alex Miroshinichenko who was undefeated at 20-0...Oleg knocked him out. In his 4th fight they pitted him against the undefeated Robert Hawkins...Oleg knocked him out. In his 5th fight he squared off against top prospect Joe Thomas, 23-1-1, whom Oleg defeated. Believe it or not, in only his 7th fight, when he should have been boxing in 4 or 6 rounders, they put him in with former Heavyweight Champion, Oliver McCall in a scheduled 10 round bout. McCall had already stopped Lennox Lewis and he stopped the 'green' Maskaev.
This was indicative of how his career was being handled. He knocked out Alex Stewart, 41-6, Courage Tshabalala, 23-2, Toakipa Tasefa, 21-1-2, Hasim Rahman, 31-1, and Derrick Jefferson, 22-1. He had peaks and he had valleys. Oleg experienced the thrill of victory and knew only too well, the agony of defeat. He suffered devastating set backs and frustrating disappointments. Fair weather friends deserted him, his promoter released him, and his trainer told him to retire.
This proud father of four questioned if his career was really over and what the future had in store for him and his family. At this gut wrenching low point, a new team entered his life, Promoter Dennis Rappaport, Manager Fred Kesch, Trainer Victor Valle, Jr., Strength Trainer Harrison Skeets, Sports Psychologist Robert Palumbo, and Nutritionist and Flexibility Coach Rusten Val. The improvement Oleg showed under new trainer, Victor Valle, Jr., was nothing less than miraculous. With his new team, there was a new Oleg…a new mindset, hope replaced hopelessness, and a new and stronger confidence emerged with himself and with his team. The wretchedness, havoc, and misery he experienced were becoming a faded memory, replaced with a precious and priceless future. He won his next 10 fights, 8 by knockout, and became the WBC's #1 ranked contender.
Is there any doubt why he is being called boxing's Cinderella story. His adorable 4-year-old daughter, Victoria, was wearing a Cinderella costume when she turned to her father and said 'I'm not really Cinderella, but Daddy, you really are a Cinderella story.'
When he faces Rahman on August 12th, and when his hand is raised in victory, this certainly will be a most happy ending to boxing's Cinderella story of the 21st century.
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Fighter Bio | Fighter Record | Discuss
updated July 26, 2006
The parents of Oleg Maskaev were born in Moscow, USSR and then migrated to Abai, Kazakhstan. Oleg grew up hard, laboring countless hours on the family farm and working under stifling conditions in the coal mines. Later Oleg joined the Russian Army and rose to the rank of Lieutenant. He joined the Russian Amateur Boxing Team and became a National Amateur Champion. In a battle of Russian amateur superstars, he stopped Vitali Klitschko in the 1st round.
On February 14, 1995, Oleg came to the United States, which he always viewed as the land of opportunity, a country that represented to him that if you worked hard and sacrificed, you and your family could realize the American Dream filled with hopes and aspirations for a better future.
Up until approximately three years ago Oleg's career could best be described as being one of the most mis-managed fighters in boxing history. In his very first professional bout, they put him in against Alex Miroshinichenko who was undefeated at 20-0...Oleg knocked him out. In his 4th fight they pitted him against the undefeated Robert Hawkins...Oleg knocked him out. In his 5th fight he squared off against top prospect Joe Thomas, 23-1-1, whom Oleg defeated. Believe it or not, in only his 7th fight, when he should have been boxing in 4 or 6 rounders, they put him in with former Heavyweight Champion, Oliver McCall in a scheduled 10 round bout. McCall had already stopped Lennox Lewis and he stopped the 'green' Maskaev.
This was indicative of how his career was being handled. He knocked out Alex Stewart, 41-6, Courage Tshabalala, 23-2, Toakipa Tasefa, 21-1-2, Hasim Rahman, 31-1, and Derrick Jefferson, 22-1. He had peaks and he had valleys. Oleg experienced the thrill of victory and knew only too well, the agony of defeat. He suffered devastating set backs and frustrating disappointments. Fair weather friends deserted him, his promoter released him, and his trainer told him to retire.
This proud father of four questioned if his career was really over and what the future had in store for him and his family. At this gut wrenching low point, a new team entered his life, Promoter Dennis Rappaport, Manager Fred Kesch, Trainer Victor Valle, Jr., Strength Trainer Harrison Skeets, Sports Psychologist Robert Palumbo, and Nutritionist and Flexibility Coach Rusten Val. The improvement Oleg showed under new trainer, Victor Valle, Jr., was nothing less than miraculous. With his new team, there was a new Oleg…a new mindset, hope replaced hopelessness, and a new and stronger confidence emerged with himself and with his team. The wretchedness, havoc, and misery he experienced were becoming a faded memory, replaced with a precious and priceless future. He won his next 10 fights, 8 by knockout, and became the WBC's #1 ranked contender.
Is there any doubt why he is being called boxing's Cinderella story. His adorable 4-year-old daughter, Victoria, was wearing a Cinderella costume when she turned to her father and said 'I'm not really Cinderella, but Daddy, you really are a Cinderella story.'
When he faces Rahman on August 12th, and when his hand is raised in victory, this certainly will be a most happy ending to boxing's Cinderella story of the 21st century.
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In 1999 Hasim Rahman was a young, inexperienced fighter with a lot of potential who had been criticized for being too cautious in fights and in an attempt to be more crowd pleasing, stood toe to toe Kazakhstan born and devastating puncher,Oleg Maskaev, giving the slow Maskaev an opportunity to win that he may not have had, had Rahman chosen to stay on the outside and box.
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The winning wager is right here in this one paragraph. Its as plain as the nose on frankys face.
It took me less than a hour to find it.
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The winning wager is right here in this one paragraph. Its as plain as the nose on frankys face.
It took me less than a hour to find it.
