Media Question for the crew

[Chadman]

How does the "media," whether it be left or right leaning, benefit by spinning stories to any measurable degree? Conservatives continually scream about the "liberal media", leftists of late have been able to ridicule Fox news, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, etc.

Other than ratings and advertising revenue - which there is for both sides, and perhaps gaining favor with politicians and getting exclusive or beneficial treatment for story info - which would be true for either side, what do they gain? In other words, since there are politicians on both sides, different parties in control, rollercoastering from one timeframe to the next, what is the benefit for national media organizations? Locally, I can see it, like the local Star-Tribune, which serves it's highly liberal democrat readership. But nationally, when the large companies own papers in different areas and political leanings and would actually lose money with one message?

Thoughts?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Don't know Chad but some are more nortorious than others.
I did see something out of Fox yesterday that they might owe retraction on. They had up on their website for long time that drone shotdown "was" carry explosive --their TV coverage had wording " may have had" but online sight had "did have" --and as far as I know that has never been remotely verified--and is significant difference.

 

[kosar]

Don't know Chad but some are more nortorious than others.
I did see something out of Fox yesterday that they might owe retraction on. They had up on their website for long time that drone shotdown "was" carry explosive --their TV coverage had wording " may have had" but online sight had "did have" --and as far as I know that has never been remotely verified--and is significant difference.

Yeah, not sure what happened there on the website as I rarely go there, but it seemed like on TV they pretty much said all along that it did not have explosives. At least from when I started watching at 9am or so yesterday. Maybe they were reporting it differently before that.

And it's definitely been confirmed that it did not have explosives.

 

[Chadman]

But again, to my point/question. Don't really have a point to make here, just curious what the motivation is to spin for a US-wide or Worldwide organization in specific terms. We throw this stuff around all the time, just paused to think about it. What does the organization have to gain by doing it for any length of time? Like the eternal liberal media, or Rupert Murdoch and Fox. Is it as simple and calculated as Murdoch buys up everything and he owns right wing beneficial companies that benefit from that agenda? Does he get paid by right wing lobbyists? Is he THAT politically motivated and charged up that he would enforce a mantra at all costs, business and otherwise?

Just using Fox as an example. CNN/Turner is another example the other way. Interesting to think about, and might be worth examining if you throw that stuff around a lot - like I do from time to time with Fox/Rush, etc.

 

[Chadman]

I guess it's just easier to copy and paste words like "liberal media" and "wacko left wing propagandist" than it is to try and justify it. Much like my eternal question to Freeze and other tax complainers about what is a fair tax rate - that goes untouched - I guess we'll just put up with the incessant claims with no real thinking or justification in common sense.

Now, if THAT doesn't get a response, you guys lose for sure...

:box2:

 

[Jabberwocky]

corporate interests drive the media, and our politics...follow the money.

 

[gardenweasel]

the obvious answer is,"to shape public opinion".......

from making abu gharaib an islamofascist propaganda tool(our own media did that)....to undercutting a spate of obvious terrorist attacks(seattle,el al airport,north carolina,synagogue bombings in baltimore)....

to maroons trying to claim(incredibly) that 9/11 was an inside job.....

to this faux-tojournalist scandal.......

to dan rathergate......

to be fair,to the clinton blowjob scandal....who really cared?....a waste of energy...

blowing things out of proportion....propaganda is the order of the day......."fake but accurate" is the new buzzline....

whatever it takes....

 

[Jabberwocky]

"from making abu gharaib an islamofascist propaganda tool(our own media did that)....to undercutting a spate of obvious terrorist attacks(seattle,el al airport,north carolina,synagogue bombings in baltimore)....

to maroons trying to claim(incredibly) that 9/11 was an inside job.....

to this faux-tojournalist scandal.......

to dan rathergate......"

its all a liberal conspiracy. That makes sense. Its because they hate America, and freedom...its a damn America hating liberal media conspiracy. Plain and simple.

 

[smurphy]

The media is like every other business in this country - they are out to make money. They give the people want they want. They are as scatter brained and disorganized as anyone. For the most part, they don't have time to organize conspiracy or attempt to shape a public opinion. Most of the time they just race to meet deadlines and make sure they're in the black.

Some people think certain news items shouldn't be shown. Some people think "freedom of the press" should not be interpreted literally. Some people think the media runs the white house, pentagon, and makes virtually every important decision in this country. Some people are on crack.

 

[gardenweasel]

j.w....you don`t believe we`re in a culture war in this country?.....

yeah,i think the extreme left is dangerous...

it seems that the liberal students from the 60`s are the professors,judges,politicians,celebrities of the 90`s...

for the past few years, we’ve watched the senate debate, the congress adopt, and then the president sign legislation that would confer constitutional rights on unlawful enemy combatants captured on the battlefield and detained at guantanamo bay.......

we’ve watched as democrats and so-called human-rights groups have demanded that the geneva conventions be applied to terrorists, even though they’re applicable only to those who honor the rules of war.

we’ve watched as the aclu has brought lawsuits before activist courts challenging the conditions of the detained terrorists.....

we’ve watched as virtually every intelligence gathering technique is attacked as a civil-liberties and constitutional violation, from the patriot act and the nsa intercept program to data-mining and interrogating the enemy....

we’ve watched as the media have used every opportunity to undermine our war effort with flat-out false reporting (the phony story about flushing of a koran down a toilet at gitmo), the exploitation of abu ghraib (with overkill coverage), the promotion of irresponsible antiwar voices (such as sheehan and bnick berg`s father)...

we’ve watched as the media have splashed some of our nation’s most important war secrets across their front pages, and then give themselves awards for aiding and abetting the enemy....

real democrats like fdr and truman would be spinning in their graves....the media in the 1940’s focused their reportage on the evil that was the enemy, whereas much of today’s media view george bush as the real problem......while soft pedaling acts of terror right in our own backyards.....

yeah,i think the extreme left is dangerous...i think many are socialists,globalists or communists at heart.....

and in their minds, their agenda trumps the good of the country...

 

[LuvThemDogs]

"its all a liberal conspiracy. That makes sense. Its because they hate America, and freedom...its a damn America hating liberal media conspiracy. Plain and simple."

Ha ha, what ignorance......The 'liberal media' is only thing that keeps these politicians honest. Wake up man. Quit listening to Rush and vomit he spews. I guess the 'liberral media' turned it's back to the whole Clinton scandal, didn't it? And I guess it was the 'liberal media' who never reported about Gary Hart, wasn't it? The media is here in this country to protect people and protect our rights and to point out injustices. Quit blaming it for not being perrfect. Nothing is.

 

[smurphy]

I think he was being sarcastic, LTD.

 

[gardenweasel]

i`ve said on here numerous times...that the clinton scandal was an abomination.....and was a major factor in our current political climate....

that`s the answer to my many points?..i`m ignorant?.....stop listening to rush?.....lol

i piss on rush...and o`reilly....and the msm....and your limited grasp of the issues...

you think that giving geneva convention protections to people that ignore all rules of engagement and would chop your head off if they had the chance.... is imperfect?....

that giving away our intelligence secrets in the newspapers.... is imperfect?....

you think that giving these egyptian (jackholes) students that seemed to disappear, student visas while homeland security was busy frisking an 75 year old grandmother and checking her orthopedic shoes for explosives.... is imperfect? ....


as long as the immigration/defense/legal/media policies of the US are determined by politicians and legal hacks more concerned with being(politically correct) called racist and blind bush hatred than with the realities of national security, look forward to more such idiocy......

and more 9/11`s...

 

[smurphy]

Weasel - you need to focus your scattered rants. You have 2 threads that you already started about the Egyptians.

Your segways are really bad. You must not have done well in writing classes.

 

[LuvThemDogs]

I'm sure you'd be the same guy that believes that innocent Japanese-Americans belonged in internment camps during WWII, but people of German descent should be allowed to live free. You sound like a war monger. The media is part of our constitution and keeps political assholes in line and honest. I hate to think what this country would be like if they weren't there making people tow an honest line.

Smuphy....I agree with your post. The media, unfortunately is a business. It shouldn't be, but it is.