we must never forget !!

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I also was moved so much, I still have feelings which make me get tears in my eyes just watching TV.

I will be flying on the 11th, I' calling this the safes day in America.
 
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Very moving pictures....


My dad says to him that Pearl harbor is still th emost tragic day in America history. Not only the deaths that day, but the hundreds of thousands more that resulted, and ultimately the use of nuclear weapons.
 

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Very moving pictures....


My dad says to him that Pearl harbor is still th emost tragic day in America history. Not only the deaths that day, but the hundreds of thousands more that resulted, and ultimately the use of nuclear weapons.

sun..

your father may be right...it's not something that i care to measure.
 

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I'll never forget that day,Working on site an hearing the news my first thought was my children an my wife,NY is our neighbor an the information wasn't clear I was ready to head north if need be,CT is big when it comes to defense,Sub base,Firearms,Choppers,I really was floored hearing the initial reports,We had a niece that worked in that area, our family was coming together and the sadness in every ones face was killing me as I felt helpless and couldn't do nothing,She ended up being OK ,though she inhaled the dust which is now a concern for her an us,Affected like we were now seems trivial,Would have been a 100x my feelings having a loved one murdered by these fanatics and to this day my eyes will welled up when I watch 911,I'll never forget..........Now we have to worry about Iran,The real fanatics,I have'nt an answer but in my gut I know we should bring our kids home,We were duped into this weapons of mass destruction bullshit war,By our power head government and the only ones to profit from this war,Someone should be accountable for 911 but I believe they seen their opening and could care less about 911 an took it.......
 
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AR182,

Thank you very much for the post.We human beings are so self-absorb at times that we sometimes forget or block out the events that shape are very lives.
You Sir are "A Man Worth Knowing"

Hegel was right when he said that we learn from history that man can never learn anything from history.
George Bernard Shaw
Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950)


Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905
US (Spanish-born) philosopher (1863 - 1952)


How many roads must a man walk down
Before you call him a man?
Yes, 'n' how many seas must a white dove sail
Before she sleeps in the sand?
Yes, 'n' how many times must the cannon balls fly
Before they're forever banned?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, 'n' how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?
Yes, 'n' how many deaths will it take till he knows
That too many people have died?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.

How many years can a mountain exist
Before it's washed to the sea?
Yes, 'n' how many years can some people exist
Before they're allowed to be free?
Yes, 'n' how many times can a man turn his head,
Pretending he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind.


Copyright ? 1962[/B]; renewed 1990 Special Rider Music

Blowin' in the Wind
Bob Dylan
 
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So sad...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:P200336.jpg

That picture really gets me. Can't see individual faces, but still.


I know nobody here will ever forget.

It is hard to believe it was five years ago. In so many ways it seems like just yesterday. There are at least a dozen moments in my life, from that day, that are burnt into my memory forever.

I feel like I can remember every little detail from the minute I found out, to the minute I went to sleep that night.

I remember finding out as I was riding on a bus into San Francisco over the Golden Gate Bridge. I happened to live just out of town for about a year in 2001, and took a commuter bus into the city every morning to work. I turned on my walkman radio right as we approached the bridge to the usual drive-time rock/pop station I listened to.

I was so confused by what I was hearing. I tuned right when the DJ's were trying to get more information and were struggling. They were, in a sense, in over their head. It was the only station I could get clearly, so I stuck with them. Just as I was starting to figure out was going on, they broke in and said the second tower had been hit as well. They were sooo shaken, it was hard to listen to.

I still didn't have a notion of the eventual magnitude of the events I was hearing relayed to me. It was so bizarre listening to the report as I am riding on a bus, over a world famous bridge, and eventually into downtown San Francisco. I had a slight uneasiness, but what could I do?

I was on the same bus as I always was, with the same faces I saw every morning. But, I didn't really know any of these people, beyond knowing which seats they all preferred each morning. I was the only one, that I could tell, listening to a radio, with most people just reading the newspaper or sleeping. I wanted to take off my radio and start telling people, but I didn't.

As we rolled into town and got to my stop (which was the last stop on the line), I walked towards the front of the bus. Just before I got off, I stopped and took my headphones off. The driver, was this late 30's Asian woman. She was a hippy wannabee or something, and had dreadlocks. I just had to tell someone, so I said to her "Do you know what is happening? ... Someone crashed two planes into the Twin Towers in NY" She looked at me, completely not understanding what I was saying. How could she?

Interestingly, she took what I said as truth, and said "You know, my people used to crash planes into things during WWII... why do people do that?"

It was such a surreal comment, coming from someone that had no understanding of what was happening. But that is the single most vivid impression I have of that day. Her saying that.

I of course got to work, and all my coworkers were enthralled with the goings on. We eventually closed the office by 9am Pacific, as the city was suggesting people leave downtown SF. Nobody knew if more strikes were coming, perhaps to the west coast.
I remember a coworker, who's wife was a flight attendant for United, trying to get ahold of her, and the rest of us just sitting around not knowing what to do. We probably all realized shit was changed forever, but basically we just reacted with useless awe.

Just thinking of that day brought that experience back to the foreground of my mind. I have honestly never really vocalized or journaled that full morning, until now. Isn't it amazing how things can stick in your mind?

Anyway.... I am sure you all have your own moments from that day. Any of you around NY, probably have even more relevant memories, but I just wanted to share my memory of that day 5 years ago.

Politics and theories aside:
Here's to NYC, victims of 9/11, and their families today. :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
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We can argue about our govt.'s policies before and since, but what is inarguable is the tragedy of the event.
 

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i've had a few shows on today remembering 9/11 & i still get goose bumps when they show clips from that day...
 

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Very moving pictures....


My dad says to him that Pearl harbor is still th emost tragic day in America history. Not only the deaths that day, but the hundreds of thousands more that resulted, and ultimately the use of nuclear weapons.

I was just talking about this with someone at work today - that 9-11 should be made a national holiday, but not a day off (like Memorial Day) as it shouldn't be a day off, cook outs, and beer drinking, but something on the calendar at least so my kids will remember. The girl I was discussing this with brought up a good point as my generation (I am 32) forgets about Dec 7th as it is just another day. I think 9-11 (a greater tragedy or not in American history than Dec 7) should not be a day forgotten. What is everyone thoughts on this?

On a side note.....who is watching the ABC "Path to 9-11"? They are really making Albright and Tenant (sp?) look bad - and this is the scaled down version (19 min short last night) - I voted for Bush twice, but Clinton admin looking bad last night and early tonight, I believe Bush admin looks bad tonight. I have read portions of the 9-11 Commision report, and I know this movie is a "dramatization" as they call it, but it seems like we had AMPLE opportunity before 9-11 and didn't take advantage..

probably the longest post ever here at madjacks, but I guess this day calls for that.......
 

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Ar..pictures are unreal.Having so many people in my area killed..my schools guidance councilor sister was killed.We had her read a poem over the PA in school today and then a moment of silence.
i know i told this here before but everytime i pass the Path train station parking lot near me I'll always see that car that people put flowers on for almost a year.There were 6 people that parked there at the commuter parking lot on that morning.They never returned.famlies later picked up there abandoned cars.But one family had hope and refused to pick the car up. day by day people would put flowers on it until the car was almost covered. when the snow came it would sit out there at night.Driving by it had such an impact on me..a reminder..I wish they just left it there..as a reminder of Sept 11,2001..
 
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great story box...

i know 3 people who worked at the wtc on 9/11...believe it or not they were saved because their train was running behind schedule or the bus from staten island was stuck in traffic.

one of them though entered her office building( the 2nd tower) at about the time the plane hit the first tower...she saw people running out of her office building..she didn't ask what was happening..her instincts told her to run....& she ran. she was the only survivor from her office...if she wasn't late or didn't run she would have been killed also. to this day this girl is still under a doctor's care.....unbelievable !!.
 
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