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Now it may be bullshit i don't know but it looks legit to me. Could you please comment on it? I honestly like to hear your thoughts on this. Not trying to be a wise guy. It took me a long time to find this. My eyeballs are ready to pop out.

Published on Saturday, April 15, 2006 by the Associated Press
Massive New Embassy in Iraq Flaunts US Power, Critics Say
by Charles J. Hanley

The fortress-like compound rising beside the Tigris River here will be the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq's turbulent future.


Construction cranes are seen above the site of the new United States embassy being built in Baghdad, Iraq, Tuesday, March 21, 2006. The fortress-like compound rising on the banks of the Tigris River will be the largest of its kind in the world, the size of Vatican City in Rome, with the population of a small town, its own defense force, self-contained power and water, and a precarious perch at the heart of Iraq's turbulent future. (AP Photo)



The presence of a massive U.S. embassy ? by far the largest in the world ? co-located in the Green Zone with the Iraqi government is seen by Iraqis as an indication of who actually exercises power in their country.

International Crisis Group

The new U.S. Embassy also seems as cloaked in secrecy as the ministate in Rome.

"We can't talk about it. Security reasons," Roberta Rossi, a spokeswoman at the current embassy, said when asked for information about the project.

A British tabloid even told readers the location was being kept secret ? news that would surprise Baghdadis who for months have watched the forest of construction cranes at work across the winding Tigris, at the very center of their city and within easy mortar range of anti-U.S. forces in the capital, though fewer explode there these days.

The embassy complex ? 21 buildings on 104 acres, according to a U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee report ? is taking shape on riverside parkland in the fortified "Green Zone," just east of al-Samoud, a former palace of Saddam Hussein's, and across the road from the building where the ex-dictator is now on trial.

The Republican Palace, where U.S. Embassy functions are temporarily housed in cubicles among the chandelier-hung rooms, is less than a mile away in the 4-square-mile zone, an enclave of American and Iraqi government offices and lodgings ringed by miles of concrete barriers.

The 5,500 Americans and Iraqis working at the embassy, almost half listed as security, are far more numerous than at any other U.S. mission worldwide. They rarely venture out into the "Red Zone," that is, violence-torn Iraq.

This huge American contingent at the center of power has drawn criticism.

"The presence of a massive U.S. embassy ? by far the largest in the world ? co-located in the Green Zone with the Iraqi government is seen by Iraqis as an indication of who actually exercises power in their country," the International Crisis Group, a European-based research group, said in one of its periodic reports on Iraq.

State Department spokesman Justin Higgins defended the size of the embassy, old and new, saying it's indicative of the work facing the United States here.

"It's somewhat self-evident that there's going to be a fairly sizable commitment to Iraq by the U.S. government in all forms for several years," he said in Washington.

Higgins noted that large numbers of non-diplomats work at the mission ? hundreds of military personnel and dozens of FBI agents, for example, along with representatives of the Agriculture, Commerce and other U.S. federal departments.

They sleep in hundreds of trailers or "containerized" quarters scattered around the Green Zone. But next year embassy staff will move into six apartment buildings in the new complex, which has been under construction since mid-2005 with a target completion date of June 2007.

Iraq's interim government transferred the land to U.S. ownership in October 2004, under an agreement whose terms were not disclosed.

"Embassy Baghdad" will dwarf new U.S. embassies elsewhere, projects that typically cover 10 acres. The embassy's 104 acres is six times larger than the United Nations compound in New York, and two-thirds the acreage of Washington's National Mall.

Original cost estimates ranged over $1 billion, but Congress appropriated only $592 million in the emergency Iraq budget adopted last year. Most has gone to a Kuwait builder, First Kuwaiti Trading & Contracting, with the rest awarded to six contractors working on the project's "classified" portion ? the actual embassy offices.

Higgins declined to identify those builders, citing security reasons, but said five were American companies.

The designs aren't publicly available, but the Senate report makes clear it will be a self-sufficient and "hardened" domain, to function in the midst of Baghdad power outages, water shortages and continuing turmoil.

It will have its own water wells, electricity plant and wastewaster-treatment facility, "systems to allow 100 percent independence from city utilities," says the report, the most authoritative open source on the embassy plans.

Besides two major diplomatic office buildings, homes for the ambassador and his deputy, and the apartment buildings for staff, the compound will offer a swimming pool, gym, commissary, food court and American Club, all housed in a recreation building.

Security, overseen by U.S. Marines, will be extraordinary: setbacks and perimeter no-go areas that will be especially deep, structures reinforced to 2.5-times the standard, and five high-security entrances, plus an emergency entrance-exit, the Senate report says.

Higgins said the work, under way on all parts of the project, is more than one-third complete.

Associated Press news researcher Jennifer Farrar in New York contributed to this report.
 

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if you punch this in google you can see a picture of cranes working on it. Not such a great picture. Punch this in google if your interested---largest in the world us embassy green zone
 

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Well this may be true but the Green zone is more than just a base, It is were all high level officials hold meetings etc. i only ventured to the green zone once so I have no idea what is being done there now.. It would make sense since it a very vitale base.
 

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Iraq will be the 51st State. 72% of the population want Americans dead. Not to worry. Iraq is the 21st century Hawaii. The only difference in the 2 is the Iraqis have long memories. They say oil tastes a little like chicken. Hope so.
 

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Just another big waist of our taxes. This conservative bunch we have right now bring shame to the word.
 

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Just another big waist of our taxes. This conservative bunch we have right now bring shame to the word.

Djv i always said its a joke that these guys should be called conservative. Rove made liberal a dirty word but the dems have no one to play this same game. They should make up a name and keep calling the republicans this. I know this sounds silly but look how the rightwingers run with the word liberal. They can't put two sentences together without mentioning the word. I just wish one of them could give me the definition so i can see if i am actually one. They use this word for all types of stuff. I guess i would to if i had a brain that could be manipulated easily from the likes of Fox News. How about not calling them conservatives anymore and call them something like the Trillion dollar debtor's
 

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hmmmmm, I always thought that "neo-con" was sensationalized by the media to be the counter-term to "liberal"

You can call conservaties "Trillion dollar debtors"

Democrats can't string one sentence together without saying something bad about Bush either.
When the intelligent public starts hearing real actions and ideas (vice, Bush sucks, cheney sucks, ,i hate the government etc etc) from the Democrats perhaps then they will stop treating them like the neighbor's whining 4 year old.
 

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is iraq really the reason for all this?...or is it we that we went into afghanistan in retaliation for 9/11?...

if we leave iraq,won`t they still seethe about afghanistan?....or do we get a freebie?...

is it because we subsidize saudi arabia and turn the sheiks into multi-billionaires?...

it`s not because we aid the palestinians....that`s a good thing,right?

is it the dutch cartoons?....

is it the german pope`s comments?...

is it support of the joos and israel?...

we can`t do business with any middle eastern country....right?..that`s verboten by saddam and the boys....

so what about all that oil?....

i guess we`ll have to let israel sink into the red sea....

quite a few things make these islamists seethe....

the dems cry and whine that we make them mad.....and create more of them....

well,guess what?...they were already mad....

everything makes them mad....makes them burn things...chop heads off.....ours...the thais....the phillipinos.....the hindus.....the indonesians....the dutch....they`re even taking a whack at the canadians.......

the canadians?....yep....

they had already threatend to kill us. ..they already declared war on us....

they already killed some of us.....they already chopped off some of our heads....

they already kidnapped some of us....

they already forced some of us to convert.... they already said we will all be muslims or die....

well,guess what....the japanese were pissed when jimmy doolittle flew over to japan....

and the british were pissed when we had our tea party in boston.....

and hornets get pissed when you whack the nest....

you think if we leave iraq...let them slaughter the iraqis that care about democracy....the kurds....

they`ll leave us alone?....

or,you think that when hillary takes office in 2008,it all goes away?....

if that`s the case,then i guess you believe that "the association of gay muslims"(mecca chapter)will be travelling to masshad for their annual convention....
 
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hmmmmm, I always thought that "neo-con" was sensationalized by the media to be the counter-term to "liberal"

You can call conservaties "Trillion dollar debtors"

Democrats can't string one sentence together without saying something bad about Bush either.
When the intelligent public starts hearing real actions and ideas (vice, Bush sucks, cheney sucks, ,i hate the government etc etc) from the Democrats perhaps then they will stop treating them like the neighbor's whining 4 year old.

Neo con doesn't have the affect the word liberal does. As for the one sentence without bashing Bush? It be nice if he could give a reason to appaud him. As for ideas? I have heard a lot but if Fox news keeps pumping into that thick head of yours that there are no ideas then you will believe it. Biden has a nice idea. You guys created this mess now you want our ideas to figure a way out? This is like the people jumping out of the world trade center. They had a choice burn or jump. This is the mess your great leader has gotten us into. Now how about you come up with some ideas to get us out.
 

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The really funny part is that I don't watch Fox News at all. And I hate Democrats anyway. I'm still "old school" and read the local newspapers every week.
 

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The really funny part is that I don't watch Fox News at all. And I hate Democrats anyway. I'm still "old school" and read the local newspapers every week.

What is your local newspaper called the New York Post?
 

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shitty diapers let me help you with something. The owner of Fox News is the same owner of the NY post. It is called a joke.
 

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shitty diapers let me help you with something. The owner of Fox News is the same owner of the NY post. It is called a joke.

and another immature post by the sponge....

you're bringing the level of this forum down by your name calling & immature posts...keep up the good work.

btw...how old are you & what state do you live in ?
 

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and another immature post by the sponge....

you're bringing the level of this forum down by your name calling & immature posts...keep up the good work.

btw...how old are you & what state do you live in ?

Al,

This guy is a total idiot, but I must have missed your rebukes of 'Manson', when he makes his monthly menstruation appearances.
 

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matt...

i don't know why your bringing manson up...don't understand that reference.....but i very rarely read anything more than a sentence of anything manson posted because i don't like his posting name. i emntioned it to him that i thought it was inappropriate to take on a posting name of a mass murderer...but ferdville came to his defense...so i just dropped it ignored everything he posted.

but i find it amazing that a moderator lets this guy get away with these types of posts. it's bringing this forum down to the levels of the other forums.

and btw..doesn't his immature posting style remind anybody of another poster named wr...who jack banned.
 
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Al,

This guy is a total idiot, but I must have missed your rebukes of 'Manson', when he makes his monthly menstruation appearances.

If im a idiot than you are the most uninformed person in here. Dude just cause you think your right doesn't mean your right. I challenge you to post something that i said that was not true. If you cant than shut the hell up. Sitting and calling people an idiot with nothing to back it up shows what a jackass you are. Post something that i said is not true. Something i didn't correct.
 

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matt...

i don't know why your bringing manson up...don't understand that reference.....but i very rarely read anything more than a sentence of anything manson posted because i don't like his posting name. i emntioned it to him that i thought it was inappropriate to take on a posting name of a mass murderer...but ferdville came to his defense...so i just dropped it ignored everything he posted.

but i find it amazing that a moderator lets this guy get away with these types of posts. it's bringing this forum down to the levels of the other forums.

and btw..doesn't his immature posting style remind anybody of another poster named wr...who jack banned.

okay let me help you here AR. I see your ready to run to the moderator and i have dealt with a lot of guys like you before so here goes. You won't vote for a successful business guy because he is a democrat but you will vote for a guy who mislead us into a war that has killed almost 3000 of our kids because he is a republican. This to me is thinking which has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Is that gentle enough for you?
 

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okay let me help you here AR. I see your ready to run to the moderator and i have dealt with a lot of guys like you before so here goes. You won't vote for a successful business guy because he is a democrat but you will vote for a guy who mislead us into a war that has killed almost 3000 of our kids because he is a republican. This to me is thinking which has gotten us into the mess we are in today. Is that gentle enough for you?

listen pal....

first i wouldn't waste my time running to a moderator about how you talk to other posters. jack or ie will find out soon enough from observing your immature rants. you should learn how to talk to people here like you would talk to them face to face...you give respect you will get respect..in both worlds. you talk disrespectful here posters will start ignoring you....you talk disrespectful to people in the real world...somebody will smack you down.

2nd because a person is a good businessman doesn't mean he will be a good president/politician. if that's the case you should love bush, cheney, & rumsfeld who all made millions in business...no it takes more than that.

3rd i'm not a republican or a democrat.....i agree with the dems on more issues than that of the republicans....

but i don't like where the dems are headed....i find them weak on national security. i've made numerous posts about how i thought the iraq war was a correct choice but i don't agree with how it's being handled & i think it's a bad idea to just stay the course....& i think rumsfeld should have been fired.

sponge you didn't answer my previous question....how old are you, what state do you live in, & have you been banned before from this site ?

it's up to you whether you want to answer me...doesn't really matter to me but if you do...do

now if you want to respond to me do it respectfully or don't bother.
 
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