George Will- far right winger chimes in on Iraq

kosar

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Are there any conservative 'icons' left that haven't blasted this admin about Iraq?

Stay the course.



George Will

SO WHERE IS THE LEADER?

October 3, 2006 -- WHILE leading the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in the summer of 2003, David Kay received a phone call from "Scooter" Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, who wanted a particular place searched: "The vice president wants to know if you've looked at this area. We have indications - and here are the geocoordinates - that something's buried there." Kay and his experts located the area on the map. It was in the middle of Lebanon.

This story from Bob Woodward's "State of Denial" would be hilarious were it not about war. The vignette is dismaying because it seems symptomatic of a blinkering monomania that may have prevented obsessed persons from facing facts.

Some will regard "State of Denial" as Katrina between hard covers, a snapshot of dysfunctional government. But it is largely just a glimpse of government, disheartening as that fact may be to those who regard government as a glistening scalpel for administering social transformation.

Once, when President William Howard Taft was listening to an aide talk about "the machinery of government," Taft murmured, "The young man really thinks it's a machine." Actually, government is people, and not a random slice of the population. Those at government's pinnacle generally are strong-willed, ambitious, competitive, opinionated and have agendas about which they care deeply. That is why they are there. And why almost any administration, carefully scrutinized, looks much like a teaspoon of pond water viewed under a microscope - a teeming, disorderly maelstrom of sometimes rival life forms.

That is especially true of an administration staffed with such canny Washington survivors as Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Colin Powell. A government of rookies or shrinking violets would be more harmonious. So, how much of a virtue is harmony?

"State of Denial" will take a toll on government collegiality and the candor of its deliberations. It is based on astonishing indiscretions - current and past officials making private memos and conversations public for motives that cannot be pure.

The book is hardly a revelation about supposed hidden chaos in Washington that produced the obvious chaos in Iraq. It does demonstrate that President Bush and others were shockingly slow to recognize Iraq's complexities and downward spiral. But we already knew that.

The book does not demonstrate that the president is in a state of denial. His almost exclusive and increasingly grating reliance on the rhetoric of unwavering resolve may be mistaken. It certainly has undermined his reputation as a realist. But he believes a president must be "the calcium in the backbone" of the nation, so the resolute face that he thinks he must show the nation does not preclude private anguish.

The book's central figure, however, is not Bush, whose lack of inquisitiveness is a defect, but Rumsfeld, whose abrasive inquisitiveness is supposedly a defect. The prologue begins with Rumsfeld's selection as defense secretary. The 45th and final chapter contains much about Bush, but revolves around an interview with Rumsfeld.

The book actually includes one heartening story that should enhance Rumsfeld's reputation. On Veterans Day, 2005, the president traveled to a Pennsylvania Army depot to deliver a speech announcing the new military policy for Iraq, the policy of "clear, hold and build." Woodward says Rumsfeld, having read the speech, called Andy Card, the White House chief of staff, a half-hour before Bush was to deliver it, and said, "Take that out." Card replied that the three words were the centerpiece of the speech, not to mention the war strategy. Rumsfeld replied, "Clear, we're doing. It's up to the Iraqis to hold. And the State Department's got to work with somebody on the build."

At last, a division of labor that uses the U.S. military only for properly military purposes, and assigns responsibilities in a way that will force Iraq's government to grow up. In the name of counterinsurgency, there has been too much of what today's military argot calls "full-spectrum operations" - operations that go beyond killing insurgents to building schools, connecting sewers and other civil projects that keep the training wheels on the Iraqi government's bicycle and keep the United States chasing the chimera of "nation-building."

"Where's the leader?" Bush, according to Woodward, has exclaimed in dismay about the Iraqi government's dithering. "Where's George Washington? Where's Thomas Jefferson? Where's John Adams, for crying out loud?" For a president to ask that question about Iraq, that tribal stew, is enough to cause one to ask it about the United States.
 

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How many does it take to finally wake people up? This is all the stuff the Dems have been saying for years but they were call anti american. Bush himself could say he pulled a con job on america and these guys still would support him.
 

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George will is awesome. always enjoyed his insight. i heard he is also a baseball fanatic.
 

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SShamrock since you like George Will got another article for you he did this month--

September 14, 2006
Liberalism as Condescension
By George Will

EVERGREEN PARK, Ill. -- This suburb, contiguous with Chicago's western edge, is 88 percent white. A large majority of the customers of the Wal-Mart that sits here, less than a block outside Chicago, are from the city and more than 90 percent of the store's customers are African-American.

One of whom, a woman pushing a shopping cart with a stoical 3-year-old along for the ride, has a chip on her shoulder about the size of this 141,000 square- foot Wal-Mart. She applied for a job when the store opened in January and was turned down because, she said, the person doing the hiring "had an attitude.'' So why is the woman shopping here anyway? She looks at the questioner as though he is dimwitted and directs his attention to the low prices of the DVDs on the rack next to her.

Sensibly, she compartmentalizes her moods and her money. Besides, she should not brood. She had lots of company in not being hired: More than 25,000 people applied for the 325 openings.

Which vexes liberals like John Kerry. (He and his helpmeet last shopped at Wal-Mart when?) In 2004 he tested what has become one of the Democrats' 2006 themes: Wal-Mart is, he said, "disgraceful'' and symbolic of "what's wrong with America.'' By now, Democrats have succeeded, to their embarrassment (if they are susceptible to that), in making the basic numbers familiar:

The median household income of Wal-Mart shoppers is under $40,000. Wal-Mart, the most prodigious job-creator in the history of the private sector in this galaxy, has almost as many employees (1.3 million) as the U.S. military has uniformed personnel. A McKinsey company study concluded that Wal-Mart accounted for 13 percent of the nation's productivity gains in the second half of the 1990s, which probably made Wal-Mart about as important as the Federal Reserve in holding down inflation. By lowering consumer prices, Wal-Mart costs about 50 retail jobs among competitors for every 100 jobs Wal-Mart creates. Wal-Mart and its effects save shoppers more than $200 billion a year, dwarfing such government programs as food stamps ($28.6 billion) and the earned-income tax credit ($34.6 billion).

People who buy their groceries from Wal-Mart -- it has one-fifth of the nation's grocery business -- save at least 17 percent. But because unions are strong in many grocery stores trying to compete with Wal-Mart, unions are yanking on the Democratic Party's leash, demanding laws to force Wal-Mart to pay wages and benefits higher than those that already are high enough to attract 77 times more applicants than there were jobs at this store.

The big-hearted progressives on Chicago's City Council, evidently unconcerned that the city gets zero sales tax revenues from a half a billion dollars that Chicago residents spend in the 42 suburban Wal-Marts, have passed a bill that, by dictating wages and benefits, would keep Wal-Marts from locating in the city. Richard Daley, a bread-and-butter Democrat, used his first veto in 17 years as mayor to swat it away.

Liberals think their campaign against Wal-Mart is a way of introducing the subject of class into America's political argument, and they are more correct than they understand. Their campaign is liberalism as condescension. It is a philosophic repugnance toward markets because consumer sovereignty results in the masses making messes. Liberals, aghast, see the choices Americans make with their dollars and their ballots, and announce -- yes, announce -- that Americans are sorely in need of more supervision by ... liberals.

Before they went on their bender of indignation about Wal-Mart (customers per week: 127 million), liberals had drummed McDonald's (customers per week: 175 million) out of civilized society because it is making us fat, or something. So, what next? Which preferences of ordinary Americans will liberals, in their role as national scolds, next disapprove? Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet?

No. The current issue of The American Prospect, an impeccably progressive magazine, carries a full-page advertisement denouncing something responsible for "lies, deception, immorality, corruption, and widespread labor, human rights and environmental abuses'' and of having brought "great hardship and despair to people and communities throughout the world.''

What is this focus of evil in the modern world? North Korea? The Bush administration? Fox News Channel? No, it is Coca-Cola (number of servings to Americans of the company's products each week: 2.5 billion).

When liberals' presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas, liberals do not rush to read a book titled "What's the Matter With Liberals' Nominees?'' No, the book they turned into a best-seller is titled "What's the Matter With Kansas?'' Notice a pattern here?

georgewill@washpost.com
 

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Matt Oreilly interviewed Woodward last--don't know if you saw it--however as with George Will he never advocated against not going into Iraq--was 100% for finishing the job--his beef was mistakes made in fighting the war--

--he also had interview with Michael Scheuer , former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit under Clinton--who emphatically said Clinton had 8 to 10 opportunities to get Bin Laden and if he says any different he's a liar,of course thats no revelation :)
 

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--he also had interview with Michael Scheuer , former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit under Clinton--who emphatically said Clinton had 8 to 10 opportunities to get Bin Laden and if he says any different he's a liar,of course thats no revelation :)[/QUOTE]

Before 911 less than 20 % of the American people knew who Bin Laden was. Bin Laden wasn't important to most of our politicians that did not understand the threat. If Clinton did get him your party and people like you would have said he was trying to divert attention from his personal wows. I don't remember any high profile campaign from the right to get Bin Laden. No doubt he's a liar.
 

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Matt Oreilly interviewed Woodward last--don't know if you saw it--however as with George Will he never advocated against not going into Iraq--was 100% for finishing the job--his beef was mistakes made in fighting the war--

I think most everyone is for finishing the job, it depends what your definition of finish is.
 

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DTB,

Saw the same thing. I love Clinton but I believe Scheuer 100%. He is no partisan hatchet man in my book. He even writes for an anti-war website.

My point in the whole Clinton debate is a point that Conservatives love to make when convenient: that the WTC attacks in 2001 changed everything.

I'd rather just have Clinton say that exact thing, but I also understand the political realities of doing so.

As far as George Will goes, I never saw him as a major proponent of democratic globalism in the first place. I do think he's spot on when he points out how our anti-Wal-Mart campaign is hurting the party.
 

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Matt Oreilly interviewed Woodward last--don't know if you saw it--however as with George Will he never advocated against not going into Iraq--was 100% for finishing the job--his beef was mistakes made in fighting the war--

--he also had interview with Michael Scheuer , former head of the CIA's bin Laden unit under Clinton--who emphatically said Clinton had 8 to 10 opportunities to get Bin Laden and if he says any different he's a liar,of course thats no revelation :)

PLEASE for once, try and tell the other side too. As we discussed previously, Scheuer ALSO stated that invading Iraq has made the task of getting Bin Laden MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. For some reason you don't like to mention that part of Scheuer's dialogue.
 

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Matt Oreilly interviewed Woodward last--don't know if you saw it--however as with George Will he never advocated against not going into Iraq--was 100% for finishing the job--his beef was mistakes made in fighting the war--

I agree, the foresight of these allegedly bright men(Woodward and Will) was woeful, pre-invasion. There was a lot of that going around. But *most* are coming around, regardless of party or ideology.

So you're saying that before going into Iraq, Woodward and Will were 100% for 'finishing the job?' What job was that, exactly, in March of 2003?
 

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PLEASE for once, try and tell the other side too. As we discussed previously, Scheuer ALSO stated that invading Iraq has made the task of getting Bin Laden MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. For some reason you don't like to mention that part of Scheuer's dialogue.

Waynes memory is very picky.
 

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I'm on a 'Bryanz' type terror of consecutive posts in this thread.

Just saw on FOX where 700 Iraqi police officers were decommissioned by us today because they were in cahoots with the death squads, or at least looked the other way as the squads went about executing and torturing.

Let's stay the course.
 

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I agree, the foresight of these allegedly bright men(Woodward and Will) was woeful, pre-invasion. There was a lot of that going around. But *most* are coming around, regardless of party or ideology.
Very few of us were as smart as Wesley Clark and Bernie Kosar in March, 2003. Big ups to the CENTRISTS who were confident enough in their patriotism to not agree with Bush and be on the same side as Dean and France on that particular issue.
 
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