An honest Non-partisan view of Iraq. Believe it or not.

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From today's WSJ.

I have a hard time disagreeing with anything in this article.

Anyone out there want to give me a non-partisan, non-Bush bashing, non-cut&run explaination to why this article is wrong-or how it could be made better?


The Beltway Retreat
October 25, 2006; Page A14
"We need to be realist but not defeatist. We need to understand that there is a need of utmost urgency to deal with many of the problems of Iraq but we must not give in to panic."

So said Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Barham Salih on Monday, in a BBC interview while in London for talks with Tony Blair. If only such statesmanship prevailed on this side of the Atlantic, where election politics and a spate of critical new books have combined to paint an increasingly desperate -- and false -- picture of what's happening in Iraq.

As the critics describe it, all of Iraq is in chaos, its new government isn't functioning, the U.S. is helpless to act against these inexorable forces, and it is only a matter of time before we must pack up and leave in abject defeat. "We're on the verge of chaos, and the current plan is not working," declares Senator Lindsey Graham, in one of the purer expressions of this elite inconstancy. Just what Mr. Graham would do about this, he doesn't say; but in the land of blind panic, the sound-bite Senator is king.

Yes, the Iraq project is difficult, and its outcome dangerously uncertain. The Bush Administration and its military generals have so far failed to stem insurgent attacks or pacify Baghdad, and the factions comprising Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government have so far failed to make essential political compromises. But the American response to this should be to change military tactics or deployments until they do succeed, and to reassure Iraqi leaders that their hard political choices will result in U.S. support, not precipitous withdrawal.

The current American panic, by contrast, is precisely what the insurgents intend with their surge of October violence. The Baathists and Sadrists can read the U.S. political calendar, and they'd like nothing better than to feed the perception that the violence is intractable. They want our election to be perceived as a referendum on Iraq that will speed the pace of American withdrawal.

The Bush Administration hasn't helped matters of late with its own appearance of indecision, asserting on one day that we must avoid "cut-and-run" while leaking on another that the forthcoming Baker-Hamilton report might be an opportunity for a strategic retreat. President Bush has sounded resolute himself, but many of his own advisers seem to be well along in their own electoral run for cover.

A measure of rationality at least came yesterday out of Baghdad, where General George Casey and U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad tried to put the violence in some larger context. The Iraq government is in fact "functioning," as Iraqis continue to get their food rations, and as more than a million civil servants, Iraqi security force members and teachers continue to show up for work every day and get paid. Just this weekend, Iraq's oil minister announced that production had surpassed pre-war levels.

"Economically, I see an Iraq every day that I do not think the American people know about -- where cell phones and satellite dishes, once forbidden, are now common, where economic reform takes place on a regular basis, where agricultural production is rising dramatically, and where the overall economy and the consumer sector is growing," said Mr. Khalilzad, who for this attempt at hopeful realism will be derided in some quarters as a Pollyanna.

As for security, two provinces have already been turned over entirely to the control of Iraqi forces, with a total of six or seven scheduled to be under Iraqi control by January. While the police forces remain unreliable, the Iraqi army is making notable progress. The joint Iraqi-U.S. operation to make Baghdad safe hasn't succeeded so far, but Iraqis we talk to say the situation in many specific neighborhoods of the capital has been vastly improved.

And while every terrorist success is broadcast far and wide, acts of bravery by Iraqi forces go unheralded. Only 10 days ago, insurgents staged a huge attack on government and police offices in Mosul, but it was successfully repulsed by Iraqi forces. Dozens of insurgents were killed or captured, and one heroic Iraqi police officer gave his life successfully defending others against a suicide truck bomber.

The truth is that the Sunni insurgents are still capable only of hit-and-run attacks, are slaughtered whenever they gather en masse, and have held down no permanent territory since Fallujah was cleaned out in late 2004. Nor have they been successful in their other goal of keeping their fellow Sunnis out of the political process. Sunnis continue to sit in the current government and parliament, despite being labelled "collaborators" and marked for death.

As General Casey observed yesterday, "we've seen the nature of the conflict evolving from what was an insurgency against us to a struggle for the division of political and economic power among the Iraqis." One of the main challenges now is to reassure the Sunnis that it is safe to compromise with Shiite and Kurdish leaders on issues such as the distribution of oil revenue and the shape of Iraqi federalism. Mr. Maliki must also demobilize -- or at least neutralize -- the militias that grew in his own Shiite community in response to Sunni violence.

But the political truth is that none of this will happen any sooner if Americans look like they are heading for the exits. Timetables and deadlines may sound like realpolitik, but they only feed suspicions that the U.S. will abandon Iraq's leaders once they have walked out onto a political limb. Iraq is not yet in a state of "civil war," and it has a functioning, if imperfect, government. If changes of tactics or force levels are needed, by all means make them. But what Iraqis most need from Washington is reassurance of support for the tough decisions and battles that lie ahead.
 

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Timetables and deadlines may sound like realpolitik, but they only feed suspicions that the U.S. will abandon Iraq's leaders once they have walked out onto a political limb.

Well, maybe abandonment this is what will push those Iraqi leaders to walk out on a limb and finally work together.


I heard interview with fellow in charge of civilian affairs of Britian's sector. He and Americans were pro-active, in the beginning, in getting things done and highly critical of Italian's near total non-involvement and general lackdaisical attitude in the sector under Italian control.

The Iraqis in the Italian sector were then forced to put aside differences and work hard together 'cause Italian occupying force wasn't doing much to help. Turns out that was the best help---Italian sector has by far the best Iraqi-controlled gov't in action in any of the occupied sectors today.
 

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Well, maybe abandonment this is what will push those Iraqi leaders to walk out on a limb and finally work together.


I heard interview with fellow in charge of civilian affairs of Britian's sector. He and Americans were pro-active, in the beginning, in getting things done and highly critical of Italian's near total non-involvement and general lackdaisical attitude in the sector under Italian control.

The Iraqis in the Italian sector were then forced to put aside differences and work hard together 'cause Italian occupying force wasn't doing much to help. Turns out that was the best help---Italian sector has by far the best Iraqi-controlled gov't in action in any of the occupied sectors today.

granted there is major difficulty in baghdad...but,12 of the 18 provinces are reportedly doing well....

and maybe abandonment,as we saw in viet nam,will cause the deaths of not thousands,but hundreds of thousands.....

maybe abandonment,will further convince the terrorists that the u.s. is just continuing it`s modern day pattern of cutting and running....that we have no resolve...

viet nam,somalia,el salvador,haiti....not such a great track record....

how does this affect iran`s perception of "the paper tiger"?......n. korea`s?


what are the chances that the islamists,if given iraq on a platter,would focus even more attention on afghanistan...

a tough issue...and the long term ramifications have to be carefully considered...
 

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granted there is major difficulty in baghdad...but,12 of the 18 provinces are reportedly doing well....

and maybe abandonment,as we saw in viet nam,will cause the deaths of not thousands,but hundreds of thousands.....

maybe abandonment,will further convince the terrorists that the u.s. is just continuing it`s modern day pattern of cutting and running....that we have no resolve...

viet nam,somalia,el salvador,haiti....not such a great track record....

how does this affect iran`s perception of "the paper tiger"?......n. korea`s?


what are the chances that the islamists,if given iraq on a platter,would focus even more attention on afghanistan...

a tough issue...and the long term ramifications have to be carefully considered...

who was killed in nam, somalia,el salvador or haiti that we care about after we left ???? We don't have to have our troops being killed every day in iraq to show our resolve. To show our resolve to who ? Who do we have to show our resolve to ? Guys like you, sitting on your ass with out a clue talking about resolve ? Go back and read what you just wrote and try to figure out what the **** you are talking about.
 

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granted there is major difficulty in baghdad...but,12 of the 18 provinces are reportedly doing well....

and maybe abandonment,as we saw in viet nam,will cause the deaths of not thousands,but hundreds of thousands.....

maybe abandonment,will further convince the terrorists that the u.s. is just continuing it`s modern day pattern of cutting and running....that we have no resolve...

viet nam,somalia,el salvador,haiti....not such a great track record....

how does this affect iran`s perception of "the paper tiger"?......n. korea`s?


what are the chances that the islamists,if given iraq on a platter,would focus even more attention on afghanistan...

a tough issue...and the long term ramifications have to be carefully considered...

12 of the 18 are doing well, tell that to the 500,000 to a 1,000,000 that are dead. should we go back and put men on the ground in all these places , to show resolve ? You don't get it . putting men on the ground in iraq is not making us any safer here at home. if there is a threat some where in the world, lets take it out and move on. THERE WILL BE NO WAVING OF THE WHITE FLAG IN THIS WAR. THIS IN NOT A CONVENTIONAL WAR. all we are doing is leveling the playing field for the enemy by giving them an easy killing field for our military in iraq.
 

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This is not a war. It's OCCUPATION
Why? OIL _ OIL _ OIL. Nothing else.
People are spitting in American faces, literally
Kids are throwing rocks
GI's are E-Mailing Congress "Get me the F--k out of here" NOW
When will the US leave Iraq? NEVER
Listen to Bush - Listen to Cheney - Rumsfeld - they are scared. They can and will be impeached - tried and convicted of war crimes. Hussein is going to hang for killing maybe a thousand Iraqis.
 

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It doesn't so impartial to me.
A few questions are were we lied to or not about invading Iraq?

Were we ready to attack and it's aftermath, after-all ,they did not attack us we attacked them?

Was the prewar planning correct?
Was the insurgency after the attack planned for , if not, why not?

These are a few question to ask Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

I don't consider that Bashing Bush. It is simply looking for answers. After-all over 3,000 American soldiers have lost their lives under his orders. The least they can do is tell us the truth.
 

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It doesn't so impartial to me.
A few questions are were we lied to or not about invading Iraq?

Were we ready to attack and it's aftermath, after-all ,they did not attack us we attacked them?

Was the prewar planning correct?
Was the insurgency after the attack planned for , if not, why not?

These are a few question to ask Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld.

I don't consider that Bashing Bush. It is simply looking for answers. After-all over 3,000 American soldiers have lost their lives under his orders. The least they can do is tell us the truth.

i thought the same thing stevie. This post is not straight down the line it leans right.
 

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This is not a war. It's OCCUPATION
Why? OIL _ OIL _ OIL. Nothing else.
People are spitting in American faces, literally
Kids are throwing rocks
GI's are E-Mailing Congress "Get me the F--k out of here" NOW
When will the US leave Iraq? NEVER
Listen to Bush - Listen to Cheney - Rumsfeld - they are scared. They can and will be impeached - tried and convicted of war crimes. Hussein is going to hang for killing maybe a thousand Iraqis.

Dan throw in about the trillion dollars (eventually)of our tax payer money being stolen by these thieves. You can't forget this big chunk of change. I always said its the biggest legal extortion ring know to mankind.
 

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OK - reality check -

WSJ - non partisan.... bwahahahaha

Now what needs to happen is to start up a draft, send a half a million troops into Iraq and sweep, sweep, sweep.... take the guns from the militias.

Then sit down and find a way to seperate gov't from religion - let the Iraqis keep the oil money and screw permanent bases.

Once we have cleared out the guns and mitigated those who do not wish to self govern, then we can get out.

Get 'em rich and organized.....

This from a Democrat who is on track to make 280K this year.... I do not do anything half ass.

This whole operation was done half ass and Bush is the consumate C student - a bonehead of the firat order.
 

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OK - reality check -

WSJ - non partisan.... bwahahahaha

Now what needs to happen is to start up a draft, send a half a million troops into Iraq and sweep, sweep, sweep.... take the guns from the militias.

Then sit down and find a way to seperate gov't from religion - let the Iraqis keep the oil money and screw permanent bases.

Once we have cleared out the guns and mitigated those who do not wish to self govern, then we can get out.

Get 'em rich and organized.....

This from a Democrat who is on track to make 280K this year.... I do not do anything half ass.

This whole operation was done half ass and Bush is the consumate C student - a bonehead of the firat order.

i like your ideas but the one about religion, who you have in mind to pull this off? You have a better chance of seeing god yourself for that to happen. These knuckleheads and their religion, are one of their biggest problem. This civil war is like the cops going into a domestic disturbance fiasco. They try to calm everything down and then the wife and husband turn against them. Over in iraq both groups will shoot you. Just let them have their little civil war and then wait for the dust to settle.
 
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Hopefully the Dems get control of the Senate and house and we can begin to get some true answers out of this corrupt regime that we have in DC now. I hope they appoint a Kenneth Starr to investiagate Cheney and Bush and I can guarentee they will uncover vast amounts of corruption and grafting.
 

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Hopefully the Dems get control of the Senate and house and we can begin to get some true answers out of this corrupt regime that we have in DC now. I hope they appoint a Kenneth Starr to investiagate Cheney and Bush and I can guarentee they will uncover vast amounts of corruption and grafting.

Master this is what i have been saying all along. They have to get rid of Pelosi and Reed and puts some strong balls like Murtha and Dean on the top. If we can't do this they will get munipulated. Pelosi is already saying no impeachment on her watch. This is a huge thing the Republicans are throwing out there now. they are talking about the Dems tying everything up to investigate. Can you believe they have the balls to even suggest this? But they are saying it to suck in stupid democrats to fall for it and it looks like Pelosi is already falling for it. Its pathetic.
 

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OK, let's stay on track. The rich guy has it right. Let's have a draft tomorrow. The war will be over the day after. You don't have enough people to replace the suicides, deserters or the guys that just say, go fight them yourself. School districts are forced by law to give up students phone #s and the moms are taught how to blow them off.
 

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I hope they appoint a Kenneth Starr to investiagate Cheney and Bush and I can guarentee they will uncover vast amounts of corruption and grafting.
As much as I feel the Bush folks should fall, I'd rather have this scenario not happen. It would be nice if the new Dems saved some money, thought about the public, and just forged ahead. ...unlike Starr and the bitter Republicans who screwed the country and stole valuable time from the president with Lewinskigate.
 

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As much as I feel the Bush folks should fall, I'd rather have this scenario not happen. It would be nice if the new Dems saved some money, thought about the public, and just forged ahead. ...unlike Starr and the bitter Republicans who screwed the country and stole valuable time from the president with Lewinskigate.

c'mon Smurph every good thing for this country and its poeple are gonna get vetoed. I can hear it now "we have to stop all the spending" Now that these pricks have stolen everything we will have to stop spending? Im totally for a balance budget but i want it balance by what got us here to begin with. Not all the sudden start cutting programs that help certain people. I don't want to see SS get hacked because this collection of thieves lost us billions in other area's. Im not for the gov't to give me things to survive. Im more trying to save everything i have now so they don't screw me out of it.
 

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To clarify my point (which most likely went over your head) is that I make a nice living, and still care about the environment, human rights and don't look for every chance to screw those less fortunate.

You are voting against your best interest their bud but in your case you are a true american. The words you just typed you will never see a republican type because greed would rear its ugly head.
 
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