I'am a Dem and i say cut and run

Spytheweb

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The month of Oct saw 101 American deaths. The death toll is 2,815, wounded maybe 20,000+ and 8 billion dollars being pissed away a month. The reason Bush will not leave is because of the oil. Big oil put alot of money into helping Bush stay in office and they want payback. Banks and creditcard companies were rewarded with the bankrupty bill and big oil wants in on the ground floor of Iraqi oil. That can not happen if the US leaves.
 

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It's not called cut and run. Americans have come to know it as use your dam head. Leave troops in Kurds area. Leave some in Kuwait. Place afew more back in Turkey. Bring rest home. Train them to help,with real terror attacks that may happen here. Use the number needed to Finish job in Afghanistan. Lets not forget that is still open.
Iraq is on its way to being ran by the Shiites. And we don't seem to be able to stop them.
 

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The month of Oct saw 101 American deaths. The death toll is 2,815, wounded maybe 20,000+ and 8 billion dollars being pissed away a month. The reason Bush will not leave is because of the oil. Big oil put alot of money into helping Bush stay in office and they want payback. Banks and creditcard companies were rewarded with the bankrupty bill and big oil wants in on the ground floor of Iraqi oil. That can not happen if the US leaves.

you`re not a "dem"...chadman`s a dem....bjfiniste is a dem.....shammy`s a dem........and they represent....

you,on the other hand, are a spokesturd for some shadowy anarchist anti-american fungus whose species has yet to be determined....

you,sir, couldn`t supervise a one car funeral....
 

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you`re not a "dem"...chadman`s a dem....bjfiniste is a dem.....shammy`s a dem........and they represent....

you,on the other hand, are a spokesturd for some shadowy anarchist anti-american fungus whose species has yet to be determined....

you,sir, couldn`t supervise a one car funeral....

I love when a person has a thought that doesn't go along with the leadership of your party, they are anti American ????? Just because they are not made of the same stuff that you are and the people you follow blindly, they are against America ???? I thought that America was about different ideas ? Your thinking follows along the lines of the people that followed hitler. I'm not comparing Bush and the Republican party to Hitlers party but your thinking is right there with the people that followed hitler and many of the same ilk in history. If you use your voice to speak out against our government you are anti American?? What is more AMERICAN than speaking out against the government ? Why don't you pull your head out of Bushes ass and wipe the fungus off and wake up ? Were the founders wrong when they spoke up against the Brits ???? America, the land of some of the brave, the home of the free !!!! What do you have against free thinking people ? What are you afraid of ? Do you want all America to think like you ? Have you ever thought that you and people like you are Anti American ???/
 
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you`re not a "dem"...chadman`s a dem....bjfiniste is a dem.....shammy`s a dem........and they represent....

you,on the other hand, are a spokesturd for some shadowy anarchist anti-american fungus whose species has yet to be determined....

you,sir, couldn`t supervise a one car funeral....

everything is shadowy & done by handlers ? put the pipe down or the bong or whatever you people use to smoke what ever it is you smoke and wake up ! it's morning in America. come out of the fog and into the free air !!
 

gardenweasel

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this guy is all over the web....spouting anti-american crap.....i mentioned some of it in a previous thread.....

i`m wondering if spythe web is the guy that tried to rush george allen yesterday....

though i doubt he`d admit it......hell,if grandpa kicked my ass on national tv, i wouldn`t be to anxious to cop to it,either.....

the next full moon is nov. 5, 2006...should be fun.....lol
 
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WELL SAID

These " I will take cyanide with my fuhrer Repubs" are like androids. It's always the same speil from them, Bubba did this or you are not patriotic oryou are anti american !

The vice president in fact is a Haliburton Cyborg :142smilie

They say they won't leave until victory is achieved, just who is suppose to surrender? How do you acertain something that can never be?

The problem here is they are either on a bong or complete madmen
 

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A Flaw in Your Flue

A Flaw in Your Flue

By the way, Tuesday will speak huge volumes.

A mass exodus of republicans. It will be the nite of broken pumps!:mj07:

In new Jersey, Menedez " the crook " will win over that phony . This will prove how sick people are of a concocted go by the seat of their pants excursion to hell for 6 years.

Republican Haliburton Cyborgs across america will have two more years to continue ranting goebbel madness.:142smilie
 
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gardenweasel

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WELL SAID

These " I will take cyanide with my fuhrer Repubs" are like androids. It's always the same speil from them, Bubba did this or you are not patriotic oryou are anti american !

The vice president in fact is a Haliburton Cyborg :142smilie

They say they won't leave until victory is achieved, just who is suppose to surrender? How do you acertain something that can never be?

The problem here is they are either on a bong or complete madmen



excellent point....could kerry be a rove-bot?.......

how rove ever got kerry to pinch a loaf into the donkey`s punchbowl a week before a huge election is amazing....

lurch shows up on halloween?......rove,you magnificent bastard.....
 

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I agree we need to start pulling out, and i'm not a dem. Iraq looks like its on path to civil war between sunni and shite. We can't stop Iranian support over the border and not sure we can even trust Iraqs PM any longer to do what needs to be done. Use a billion $ a month to beef up our borders, ports, intel ops, surveillance, spies, bribes, rewards to defend against terrorist attacks. Right now, we are making it too easy for them to kill Americans. They want us there as long as possible to continue the killing and the economic draining.
 

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I agree we need to start pulling out, and i'm not a dem. Iraq looks like its on path to civil war between sunni and shite. We can't stop Iranian support over the border and not sure we can even trust Iraqs PM any longer to do what needs to be done. Use a billion $ a month to beef up our borders, ports, intel ops, surveillance, spies, bribes, rewards to defend against terrorist attacks. Right now, we are making it too easy for them to kill Americans. They want us there as long as possible to continue the killing and the economic draining.

appreciate the thoughtful post......and i can appreciate,and maybe even agree with several points that were made(". Use a billion $ a month to beef up our borders, ports, intel ops, surveillance, spies, bribes, rewards to defend against terrorist attacks.") ....and i think theres some evidence that maliki may be a risky guy...you could argue that he's in bed with sadr and the iranians... .......

but,i disagree that they want us there.....they don`t.....they know that if we pull out abruptly....as might happen if the democrats take control of congress and funding for iraq is withdrawn(much like viet nam),iraq is theirs for the taking......you have the shia majority.....and i suspect that ahmadinnerjacket will have even more sway over iraq than he has now...


if the u.s. pulls out of iraq it will cease to exist except as an iranian "right of way" to what is presently called syria......the iranian mullahs are fighting to build a "shia cresent around both israel and the sunni's of arabia....i don`t think that would be a good thing...

you have seen the violence ratchet up in the run up to our elections...for propaganda purposes....the "insurgents" know that the political will in our country is weak...as it was in viet nam....

and if democrats control the house and the senate,it`s basically over...we lose...the bureaucrats will strangle funding....and it`s over.....

some might say,well shit, iran, osama, hammas, and the democrats all can't be wrong...

but,what happens if the funding and troops are
yanked out from under the iraqi gov`t?....

- millions of iraqis killed in a genocide for supporting us to begin with....

-iraq turned into a cesspool of terrorist training camps....

-terrorists all over the world emboldened that they kicked the great satan out of iraq....buttressing the argument that americans will cut and run whenever the going gets tough...ala viet nam,somalia,et al....this generation`s track record of resolve isn`t exactly a confidence builder...

widening political chasm in the country due to hearings and political witch hunts in congress to go after the bush admin. that will make the watergate hearings look like drunk hearings at night court. .....
(ahh, the glory days....watergate. it should be a national holiday)...

taxes will be raised to pay for all the new spending ....defense spending will definitely be slashed...as happened in the clinton admin..the patriot act and nsa may very well get repealed...

more government spending on our universities...i mean, where else can you see people spending $100,000 to $200,000 to get a college degree so that they are qualified to work at...........mcdonalds, starbucks, and barnes and noble....


5 years with no attacks in the u.s?.....while practically every other modern nation on earth has been hit?........ BORING!
i am a gambling man......whatta I care if nyc gets hit again......i don't live there.....


again,vegas...yours was a thoughtful post...and my sarcasm isn`t aimed at you.... good stuff...solid opinion that isn`t just "troop death counts" and "bush is the devil"....

some interesting reading....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061102/wl_mideast_afp/mideastusbritainiran

if you juxtapose nancy pelosi`s talking points with mullah khatami`s,you`d need a degree in nuance to tell the difference...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061102/wl_afp/iranmilitarymaneuversmissiles_061102163312

i guess this kinda`flys against the "peaceful nuclear power" argument....

bottom line, from talking to many people, it`s taken for granted that the usa is forever going to be safe, it isn't going to change much no matter who is in power, life is just going to be good, and i'm just going to live my life.

but,i'm pretty sure the romans felt the same way for quite some time...
 

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Weasel,

You sound just like Pat Boone :rolleyes: , who was on FOX yesterday. He informed us that our very lives are literally at stake with the elections on tuesday.

You just don't get it.

Here's a good article for you to read. It's by right leaning former army officer, Ralph Peters.


Last gasps in Iraq

I supported this war, but the deteriorating situation is starting to convince me that we can?t win. Those of us who hoped that the Iraqis could achieve democracy were wrong ? and their failure has implications for the entire region.
By Ralph Peters

On Tuesday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki obeyed Muqtada al-Sadr's command to withdraw U.S. troops from Baghdad's Sadr City. He halted a vital U.S. military operation. It was the third time in less than a month that al-Maliki had sided with the anti-American cleric against our forces.


President Bush insists that we have no conflicts with the al-Maliki government. The president isn't telling the truth ? or he himself doesn't support our military's efforts. He can't have it both ways. Bush appears increasingly desperate just to get through the upcoming elections.

I supported the removal of Saddam Hussein. I believed that Arabs deserved a chance to build a rule-of-law democracy in the Middle East. Based upon firsthand experience, I was convinced that the Middle East was so politically, socially, morally and intellectually stagnant that we had to risk intervention ? or face generations of terrorism and tumult. I still believe that our removal of Hussein was a noble act.

I only wish the administration had done it competently.


Iraq is failing. No honest observer can conclude otherwise. Even six months ago, there was hope. Now the chances for a democratic, unified Iraq are dwindling fast. The country's prime minister has thrown in his lot with al-Sadr, our mortal enemy. He has his eye on the future, and he's betting that we won't last. The police are less accountable than they were under Saddam. Our extensive investment in Iraqi law enforcement only produced death squads. Government ministers loot the country to strengthen their own factions. Even Iraq's elections ? a worthy experiment ? further divided Iraq along confessional and ethnic lines. Iraq still exists on the maps, but in reality it's gone. Only a military coup ? which might come in the next few years ? could hold the artificial country together.

This chaos wasn't inevitable. While in Iraq late last winter, I remained soberly hopeful. Since then, the strength of will of our opponents ? their readiness to pay any price and go to any length to win ? has eclipsed our own. The valor of our enemies never surpassed that of our troops, but it far exceeded the fair-weather courage of the Bush administration.

Yet, for all our errors, we did give the Iraqis a unique chance to build a rule-of-law democracy. They preferred to indulge in old hatreds, confessional violence, ethnic bigotry and a culture of corruption. It appears that the cynics were right: Arab societies can't support democracy as we know it. And people get the government they deserve.

For us, Iraq's impending failure is an embarrassment. For the Iraqis ? and other Arabs ? it's a disaster the dimensions of which they do not yet comprehend. They're gleeful at the prospect of America's humiliation. But it's their tragedy, not ours.

Iraq was the Arab world's last chance to board the train to modernity, to give the region a future, not just a bitter past. The violence staining Baghdad's streets with gore isn't only a symptom of the Iraqi government's incompetence, but of the comprehensive inability of the Arab world to progress in any sphere of organized human endeavor. We are witnessing the collapse of a civilization. All those who rooted for Iraq to fail are going to be chastened by what follows.

Iraq still deserves one last chance ? as long as we don't confuse deadly stubbornness and perseverance. If, at this late hour, Iraqis in decisive numbers prove willing to fight for their own freedom and a constitutional government, we should be willing to remain for a generation. If they continue to revel in fratricidal slaughter, we must leave.

Iraq not our Vietnam

And contrary to the prophets of doom, the United States wouldn't be weakened by our withdrawal, should it come to that. Iraq was never our Vietnam. It's al-Qaeda's Vietnam. They're the ones who can't leave and who can't win.

Islamist terrorists have chosen Iraq as their battleground and, even after our departure, it will continue to consume them. We'll still be the greatest power on earth, indispensable to other regional states ? such as the Persian Gulf states and Saudi Arabia ? that are terrified of Iran's growing might. If the Arab world and Iran embark on an orgy of bloodshed, the harsh truth is that we may be the beneficiaries.

My disillusionment with our Iraq endeavor began last summer, when I was invited to a high-level discussion with administration officials. I went into the meeting with one firm goal, to convince my hosts that they'd better have Plan B in case Iraq continued to disintegrate. I left the session convinced that the administration still didn't have Plan A, only a blur of meandering policies and blind hopes. After more than three years, it was still "An Evening at the Improv."

Then, last month, as Iraq's prime minister seconded al-Sadr's demand that our troops free a death-squad mastermind they had captured, I knew a fateful page had turned. A week later, al-Maliki forbade additional U.S. military raids in Sadr City, the radical mullah's Baghdad stronghold. On Tuesday, al-Maliki insisted that our troops remove roadblocks set up to help find a kidnapped U.S. soldier. Iraq's prime minister has made his choice. We're not it. It's time to face reality. Only Iraqis can save Iraq now ? and they appear intent on destroying it. Apr?s nous, le deluge.

Iraq could have turned out differently. It didn't. And we must be honest about it. We owe that much to our troops. They don't face the mere forfeiture of a few congressional seats but the loss of their lives. Our military is now being employed for political purposes. It's unworthy of our nation.
 

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you`re not a "dem"...chadman`s a dem....bjfiniste is a dem.....shammy`s a dem........and they represent....

you,on the other hand, are a spokesturd for some shadowy anarchist anti-american fungus whose species has yet to be determined....

you,sir, couldn`t supervise a one car funeral....

Behold the new Nazis, Bush and company's policy.

"Naturally the common people don't want war . . . but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

--Hermann Goring (Hitler's right hand man)
 
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