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Just this alone should want to make you puke. You just cant make this stuff up.


November 3rd, 2006 12:06 am
U.S. Web Archive Is Said to Reveal a Nuclear Guide


By William J. Broad / New York Times

Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to ?leverage the Internet? to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.

But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq?s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb. Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for the director of national intelligence said access to the site had been suspended ?pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.? Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue?s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency?s technical experts ?were shocked? at the public disclosures.

The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.

?For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,? said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation?s nuclear arms program. ?There?s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.?

The government had received earlier warnings about the contents of the Web site. Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make tabun and sarin, nerve agents that kill by causing respiratory failure.

The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who argued that the nation?s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees told the administration that wide analysis and translation of the documents ? most of them in Arabic ? would reinvigorate the search for evidence that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence in Iraq.

The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site?s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents? release.

In his statement last night, Mr. Negroponte?s spokesman, Chad Kolton, said, ?While strict criteria had already been established to govern posted documents, the material currently on the Web site, as well as the procedures used to post new documents, will be carefully reviewed before the site becomes available again.?

A spokesman for the National Security Council, Gordon D. Johndroe, said, ?We?re confident the D.N.I. is taking the appropriate steps to maintain the balance between public information and national security.?

Portrait of Prewar Iraq

The Web site, ?Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal,? was a constantly expanding portrait of prewar Iraq. Its many thousands of documents included everything from a collection of religious and nationalistic poetry to instructions for the repair of parachutes to handwritten notes from Mr. Hussein?s intelligence service. It became a popular quarry for a legion of bloggers, translators and amateur historians.

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990?s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein?s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms.

The deletions, the diplomats said, had been done in consultation with the United States and other nuclear-weapons nations. Mohamed ElBaradei, the director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which ran the nuclear part of the inspections, told the Security Council in late 2002 that the deletions were ?consistent with the principle that proliferation-sensitive information should not be released.?

In Europe, a senior diplomat said atomic experts there had studied the nuclear documents on the Web site and judged their public release as potentially dangerous. ?It?s a cookbook,? said the diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of his agency?s rules. ?If you had this, it would short-circuit a lot of things.?

The New York Times had examined dozens of the documents and asked a half dozen nuclear experts to evaluate some of them.

Peter D. Zimmerman, a physicist and former United States government arms scientist now at the war studies department of King?s College, London, called the posted material ?very sensitive, much of it undoubtedly secret restricted data.?

Ray E. Kidder, a senior nuclear physicist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, an arms design center, said ?some things in these documents would be helpful? to nations aspiring to develop nuclear weapons and should have remained secret.

A senior American intelligence official who deals routinely with atomic issues said the documents showed ?where the Iraqis failed and how to get around the failures.? The documents, he added, could perhaps help Iran or other nations making a serious effort to develop nuclear arms, but probably not terrorists or poorly equipped states. The official, who requested anonymity because of his agency?s rules against public comment, called the papers ?a road map that helps you get from point A to point B, but only if you already have a car.?

Thomas S. Blanton, director of the National Security Archive, a private group at George Washington University that tracks federal secrecy decisions, said the impetus for the Web site?s creation came from an array of sources ? private conservative groups, Congressional Republicans and some figures in the Bush administration ? who clung to the belief that close examination of the captured documents would show that Mr. Hussein?s government had clandestinely reconstituted an unconventional arms programs.

?There were hundreds of people who said, ?There?s got to be gold in them thar hills,? ? Mr. Blanton said.

The campaign for the Web site was led by the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Representative Peter Hoekstra of Michigan. Last November, he and his Senate counterpart, Pat Roberts of Kansas, wrote to Mr. Negroponte, asking him to post the Iraqi material. The sheer volume of the documents, they argued, had overwhelmed the intelligence community.

Fears, and a Disclaimer

Some intelligence officials feared that individual documents, translated and interpreted by amateurs, would be used out of context to second-guess the intelligence agencies? view that Mr. Hussein did not have unconventional weapons or substantive ties to Al Qaeda. Reviewing the documents for release would add an unnecessary burden on busy intelligence analysts, they argued.

On March 16, after the documents? release was approved, Mr. Negroponte?s office issued a terse public announcement including a disclaimer that remained on the Web site: ?The U.S. government has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translations, when available.?

On April 18, about a month after the first documents were made public, Mr. Hoekstra issued a news release acknowledging ?minimal risks,? but saying the site ?will enable us to better understand information such as Saddam?s links to terrorism, weapons of mass destruction and violence against the Iraqi people.? He added: ?It will allow us to leverage the Internet to enable a mass examination as opposed to limiting it to a few exclusive elites.?

Yesterday, before the site was shut down, Jamal Ware, a spokesman for Mr. Hoekstra, said the government had ?developed a sound process to review the documents to ensure sensitive or dangerous information is not posted.? Later, he said the complaints about the site ?didn?t sound like a big deal,? adding, ?We were a little surprised when they pulled the plug.?

The precise review process that led to the posting of the nuclear and chemical-weapons documents is unclear. But in testimony before Congress last spring, a senior official from Mr. Negroponte?s office, Daniel Butler, described a ?triage? system used to sort out material that should remain classified. Even so, he said, the policy was to ?be biased towards release if at all possible.? Government officials say all the documents in Arabic have received at least a quick review by Arabic linguists.

Some of the first posted documents dealt with Iraq?s program to make germ weapons, followed by a wave of papers on chemical arms.

At the United Nations in New York, the chemical papers raised alarms at the Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, which had been in charge of searching Iraq for all unconventional arms, save the nuclear ones.

In April, diplomats said, the commission?s acting chief weapons inspector, Demetrius Perricos, lodged an objection with the United States mission to the United Nations over the document that dealt with the nerve agents tabun and sarin.

Soon, the document vanished from the Web site. On June 8, diplomats said, Mr. Perricos told the Security Council of how risky arms information had shown up on a public Web site and how his agency appreciated the American cooperation in resolving the matter.

Nuclear Documents Posted

In September, the Web site began posting the nuclear documents, and some soon raised concerns. On Sept. 12, it posted a document it called ?Progress of Iraqi nuclear program circa 1995.? That description is potentially misleading since the research occurred years earlier.

The Iraqi document is marked ?Draft FFCD Version 3 (20.12.95),? meaning it was preparatory for the ?Full, Final, Complete Disclosure? that Iraq made to United Nations inspectors in March 1996. The document carries three diagrams showing cross sections of bomb cores, and their diameters.

On Sept. 20, the site posted a much larger document, ?Summary of technical achievements of Iraq?s former nuclear program.? It runs to 51 pages, 18 focusing on the development of Iraq?s bomb design. Topics included physical theory, the atomic core and high-explosive experiments. By early October, diplomats and officials said, United Nations arms inspectors in New York and their counterparts in Vienna were alarmed and discussing what to do.

Last week in Vienna, Olli J. Heinonen, head of safeguards at the international atomic agency, expressed concern about the documents to the American ambassador, Gregory L. Schulte, diplomats said.

Calls to Mr. Schulte?s office yesterday were not returned.

Scott Shane contributed reporting.
 

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yes, "thank God" for the ny times, or you would have absolutely no material.

sponge, I see you constantly talk about people you don't agree with here being puppets of fox news. You are the biggest tool the NY Times could ever hope to have. I've said that before, and you prove it over and over.
 

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yes, "thank God" for the ny times, or you would have absolutely no material.

sponge, I see you constantly talk about people you don't agree with here being puppets of fox news. You are the biggest tool the NY Times could ever hope to have. I've said that before, and you prove it over and over.

i don't even get the ny times you clueless fool. i get my news from one site and it gets the news from every source in america. Why not read it and express an opinion? Are you even capable of this or just the same ole silly stuff time and time again.
 

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It just fits the pattern of this administration. They talk to much.
 

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I can hear Tony Snow now.

"President Bush is very concerned that Iran has now used the information we went public with to advance their Nu-cu-lar weapons program. We have no choice but to attack them and take away the information we made accessable to them. Oh yeah, we gotta go attack all other Islamafascist countries too, cause they may have copied down all the stuff we made public."

With this administration, the truth is stranger than the conspiracy theories, I swear to Gawd.
 

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its fairly obvious why they posted this Iraq nuclear information.

They wanted everyone to yell about it, because it proves how close to building a nukee that Sadamm was.

Force them to take it down and it brings the right kind of attention to the topic.

Geezz Louise.

some of you guys are sheep.
 

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its fairly obvious why they posted this Iraq nuclear information.

They wanted everyone to yell about it, because it proves how close to building a nukee that Sadamm was.

Force them to take it down and it brings the right kind of attention to the topic.

Geezz Louise.

some of you guys are sheep.


exactly scott...they`re the "sheep" that hate the "sheep dog" .........very strange birds,indeed...

do i have this right?....

1)the nyt`s is taking the bush administration to task for publishing classified documents?.....:142smilie

2)saddam didn't have a nuke program.....o.k.

3)bush grabbed the documents to the "non-nuke" program in the "illegal war"....

3)dumb bush posted the "non-nuke" program documents on the internet....

4)the iranians have only an electricity producing nuke program, but they could take the "non-nuke" documents and produce nuclear bombs with them?...


hmmmm?... o.k... so, then can I infer that iraq was pursuing wmd research..... we found the documents during the war, which we made evident to the u.n and i.a.e.a...... and they continued to say that there were no ongoing wmd programs?..

so,i guess the u.n. has been trying to embarrass the u.s. all along... that`s the one thing that makes sense.....

and now the times thinks this is a great "scoop of embarrassment", when it`s really really shedding light on the other side of the story...


and the hypocrites at the nyt`s(on top of all this)... have the cojones,to attack the administration for revealing classified information?....


if that makes sense to you, thank the teacher's unions for making you a moron......

thank you nyt`s....your arrogance and hypocrisy is exceeded only by your utter stupidity...
 
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i guess the nuclear scientist i saw interviewed who was furious this info was on the net, was acting? You two have to be joking right? Where is wayne anyway i need to hear about china and clinton.
 

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so the NY Times is now changing their opinion and agreeing that Iraq had nuclear/WMD capabilities?

So is it or is it not an illegal war then?

They are always clammoring that they want the government to be transparent and show the public everything... and now the gov does.. and the NY time harps about it?

the NY times isnt just trying to have their cake and eat it, they are trying to frigging set up a damn buffet line in the baker's shop
 

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I see it more as classic flip flop---When their leaking classified material its freedom of speech--when someone else does-:nono:

"Any" source leaking classified material should have to pay the price in addition to their declining circulation as NYT has.

--However if Alegazeera has to pay them royalties on reprints of quotes/articles their bottom line may be increasing ;)
 
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Scientists protested Web site nuclear data: report


NEW YORK (Reuters) - Scientists at a U.S. weapons lab complained more than two weeks ago that captured Iraqi documents containing sensitive nuclear information were available on the Web site that the government shut down on Thursday, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

A senior federal official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Times that scientists at California's Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory protested some of the weapons papers on the site to the National Nuclear Security Administration, an arm of the Department of Energy, in October. But the objections "never perked up to senior management," the Times quoted the official as saying. "They stayed at the mid-levels."

Managers at the security administration passed the warning to their counterparts at the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversaw the Web site, the Times said, citing the official. And as a result, according to a nuclear weapons expert, the government pulled two nuclear papers from the Web site last month. The dangers of the documents, which were captured during the war, had been recognized at Livermore and in the wider community of government arms experts, he said.

"Those two documents were on everybody's list," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

The Times said federal officials were conducting a review to better understand how and when the warnings had originated and how the bureaucracy had responded.

The Bush administration set up the Web site in March at the urging of Republicans in Congress who said that public access to such materials from Iraq could increase the understanding of the danger posed by Saddam Hussein. It was shut down after the Times inquired about the disclosure of nuclear information and the experts' complaints. Among documents posted were roughly a dozen that nuclear weapons experts said constituted a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

While Democrats have called for an investigation, the scientists' two-week-old complaints, as outlined by federal officials on Friday, indicated for the first time that warnings about the site had come from the government's own arms experts as well as from international weapons inspectors, the report said.
 

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"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine, and many other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion for almost 40 years.

It would have been impossible for us to develope our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march toward a world-government.

The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in the past."

David Rockefeller....1991.....addressing a Trilateral Commission meeting.
 
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if the current new york times had reported on iwo jima.....

""`February 1945:

"" NY Times declares that flag raising at Iwo Jima was staged for the cameras. Whitehouse is accused of exploiting the photo to deflect criticism from high level of casualties suffered by the Marines invading the island. Congress pledges to investigate and hold accountable those responsible. Troops who raised the flag and family back home are hounded by the press and forced into seclusion. "Iwo Jima" enters the public parlance, becomes synonomous with "scam""".....
 

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if the current new york times had reported on iwo jima.....

""`February 1945:

"" NY Times declares that flag raising at Iwo Jima was staged for the cameras. Whitehouse is accused of exploiting the photo to deflect criticism from high level of casualties suffered by the Marines invading the island. Congress pledges to investigate and hold accountable those responsible. Troops who raised the flag and family back home are hounded by the press and forced into seclusion. "Iwo Jima" enters the public parlance, becomes synonomous with "scam""".....

Good analogy, as usual. Iwo Jima has a hell of a lot to do with Iraq.
 

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Fair and balanced :)

Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell writes that her paper's coverage of Virginia Republican Senator George Allen has been "relentlessly negative" and without balance. Howell also says a profile of Maryland Democratic Senate candidate Ben Cardin was not critical enough ? calling it "relentlessly positive"? while the paper underplayed a story about several prominent black Democrats endorsing Republican Michael Steele? who is an African-American.

And Howell agrees with some readers that photographs in the paper tend to show Democrats looking cheerful and confident ? and Republicans looking grim.

Congressional Endorsements

The New York Times says for the first time in memory it is not endorsing a single Republican Congressional candidate in tomorrow's elections.

The Times has always sprinkled in endorsements of moderate Republicans based on their records. It has endorsed current candidates Christopher Shays and Nancy Johnson as far back as 1990 ?- and also favored past Republicans such asSusan Molinari, Lowell Weicker and Rick Lazio.

But now The Times says House Republicans have "wrecked the budget, hobbled the middle class and endangered the long-term economy." It describes Republican Congressional leaders as "burned-out" and "brain-dead."

The Times says the election is about President Bush? and blames Congressional Republicans for "protecting him from the consequences of his mistakes and misdeeds."

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I have to wonder how GOP ever won an election--
They have to overcome liberal media---90% of black vote---bulk of 30% of Americans that pay no taxes and if they get their so called disenfranchised voters to the poll it will get tougher.---


CITYWIDE COALITION LAUNCHES CAMPAIGN TO REGISTER THOUSANDS OF FORMERLY DISENFRANCHISED VOTERS


New York, NY. Today a New York City-wide coalition of celebrities, community-based organizations, civil rights groups and criminal justice activists held a press conference to publicly launch its campaign, Release the Vote: Unlock the Block. Forty-two organizations have endorsed the initiative (listing attached).

Unlock the Block is mounting a major public information campaign to educate, mobilize and register thousands of people formerly incarcerated for a felony conviction, their families and their communities. See www.unlocktheblock.org.

Joseph "Jazz" Hayden, Director of Unlock the Block said, "We see felon re-enfranchisement as the next frontier in the long struggle for human rights. Roughly 43,000 New York citizens on parole pay taxes yet can not vote because of a felony conviction. The phrase 'No Taxation without Representation' is as relevant today as it was over two hundred years ago," Hayden said.

According to Charles Dutton, an Emmy Award-winning, Tony- and Golden Globe-nominated actor, director and former prisoner, "All men and women who are living productive lives should be afforded the opportunity to participate fully in this society, including the most basic of all rights -- the right to vote -- particularly if they are contributing to this country as tax-paying citizens!"

New York's felony disfranchisement law denies the vote to over 131,000 state residents who have been convicted of felony offenses. The vast majority are from a handful of poor communities-of-color in New York City.

Thousands of additional taxpaying New Yorkers are effectively disfranchised by the lack of accurate information from elections and criminal justice agencies. This has created widespread misperceptions about the voting rights of former prisoners, probationers and misdemeanants. According to New York State law, voting rights are automatically restored upon completion of parole. Individuals on probation and misdemeanants retain their voting rights.

"We are centering our efforts in the hardest hit and traditionally marginalized communities. The loss of the vote in these neighborhoods has devastating economic and political consequences and affects the quality of life for all members of the community," said David R. Jones, President of the Community Service Society.

Unlock the Block will also focus on eliminating structural barriers to voting by working to bring government agencies into active compliance with existing law.

"The New York City and State Departments of Corrections and state and county elections officials must inform prisoners and formerly incarcerated felons of their rights, facilitate voter registration, and guarantee that eligible voters are not turned away at the polls and that their names are restored to voting rolls in a timely manner," said Bill Perkins, Deputy Majority Leader of the NYC Council and Chair of the Committee on Government Operations. Perkins has been a leader in city efforts to expand and guarantee the voting rights of local residents.

"I felt like New York had stripped me of my citizenship when I lost the right to vote," said Jan Warren, Associate Director of the College & Community Fellowship at CUNY Graduate Center and formerly incarcerated individual. "Since the state asks me to pay taxes on April 15, then it ought to let me vote on November 2."

While state disenfranchisement laws vary widely, ranging from lifelong disfranchisement in states like Florida to restoration of the vote upon completion of parole in New York, the cumulative national impact is devastating. "Our democracy is diminished in stature and legitimacy when political participation is denied to so many of our citizens," said Bill Webber, President Emeritus of the New York Theological Seminary.

In nearly all states, a disproportionate number of non-white citizens are excluded from the democratic process. "If you look at the history of felon disfranchisement laws in the U.S., you'll see that it's not an accident that they disproportionately target and disempower communities of color. Like poll taxes and literacy tests, many felony disfranchisement laws were intentionally crafted to exclude African Americans from the political process," said Janai Nelson, Assistant Counsel at NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund and lead counsel on Hayden v. Pataki, a federal lawsuit challenging New York State's felon disfranchisement laws.

According to Joanne Page, Executive Director of the Fortune Society, "Such massive numbers of disenfranchised citizens of color is the result of the lethal intersection of state laws and a criminal justice system that disproportionately targets people of color through racial profiling, draconian drug laws that unequally target communities of color, unequal sentencing provisions, targeted law enforcement and incompetent counsel."

Unlock the Block, hosted at Demos, is a project of the "Right to Vote" campaign (www.rightovote.org), a collaborative of eight national organizations (the ACLU, the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law, The Sentencing Project, Demos, NAACP, NAACP LDF, People for the American Way Foundation, and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund). In addition to its national efforts, Right to Vote supports state-based campaigns in Alabama, Florida, Maryland, New York and Texas. Due to the work of these and other organizations, at least 500,000 citizens have been re-enfranchised in the last five years due to changes in state law.

For further information or to arrange an interview contact: Ellen Braune at 212-389-1417 or at newchannel@aol.com
 
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