Smile Weasel

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The celebrating will be temporary--the next 2 years will have HUGE impact on 08.

--so lets consider
Economy--Pelosi said this was worse economy since great depression so what will they have to do to prove they are not failures--they will need to improve on current all time best--
Employment--
Inflation and interest rates
Homeownerships
Stockmarket
Tax Revenue

Sure wouldhate to be "any" party coming into these #'s with improvement anticipated.

Saftey--we have been free of attacks on homeland-planes-ships ect since we took fight to them--only prospect is down and could be WAY down.

only place we won't get them is on corruption-
Simply because corruption does not exist if you are a dem--you can molest minors-commit manslaughter-stuff your frig with bribes--and even get convicted and disbarred--and instead of disgrace you get lifetime seats--hell only reason Barry lost mayorship in DC is because he couldn't run office from prison.

So to my thinking --aside from corruption Dems are in an absolute no win situation--so cheer up Weasel
we got two years to climb on the inevitable--and play the blame game in 08
--wonder if Rove had this in mind?--nah :grins:
 

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Good god, Sponge! You are sounding worse and dumber with every post.

....Did you really just analyze the mayorship of Cracklin Marion Barry?
 

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For God sakes man, it's a little early to be blaming us...lol.

Just to clarify...you are saying that we currently have the all time best numbers in each of those categories? Just want to know what I'm dealing with here.
 

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Those areas mention above we have room to do better. It's been better in the past. And they may just do it with every ones eyes open and everything put on table. Bush will listen to many things. He rather have chance at going out a little better then where people have him now. He can say all he wants about that 38% rating. But you know it eats at his stomach.
 
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"the bunker"
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Chad--From Pelsoi's website
http://democraticleader.house.gov/press/releases.cfm?pressReleaseID=99
---and bear in mind this was current speech when all "current" datawas available--

a few select quotes

?What a difference two years make. President Bush and the Republicans in Congress have presided over the most dramatic deterioration in our economic health in our nation?s history.
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"?President Clinton, 22 million jobs in 8 years. President Bush, losing 2.7 million jobs in the first two years of his term. That was the result of his failed economic policy. And what is his answer to this record unemployment? The same warmed-over stew, the same recipe for economic disaster."

*** note the comparison of 8years to 2 years in which 911 occurred--do figure Snurph-Stevie and Sponge can even see deception in this one :)

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?Under Republican leadership, April?s unemployment rate reached 6 percent, nearly 9 million Americans are out of work - the worst job slump since the Great Depression. Another 9 million Americans have either given up looking for work at all or are working part time.

***Have no clue what april shes talking about on this but assume in was the one month of highest unemplotment in 6 years--following recession Clinton left and 911.
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?The Committee for Economic Development, the 60-year-old independent group of business and civic leaders, calls the President?s tax cuts ?arsenic poisoning for the economy,? which worsen ?a fiscal crisis that threatens our future standard of living.?

?Four hundred economists, including 10 Nobel Laureates, warn that ?passing these tax cuts will worsen the long-term budget outlook, adding to the nation's projected chronic deficits? and will ?reduce the capacity of the government to finance Social Security and Medicare benefits as well as investments in schools, health, and infrastructure.?

--yep thats what all dems predicted--but look at results--"after" inheiriting recession-911-katrina and 2 wars--
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?The Republican plan harms the economy and repeats the failed policies that have deepened this job slump. Instead of investing in our children, the Republican plan indebts them.

?Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to reject this reckless, irresponsible Republican tax cut for millionaires that leaves working families out in the cold.?

*** wasn't anyone "that paid taxes" that were left in the cold.

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now lets see why she can sell this bs to her clan--

October 24, 2006
It's The Economy, Stupid MSM
Investor's Business Daily took the mainstream media to task over its coverage of the economy in its editorial yesterday, making the case that media outlets have a political bias against Republicans. Despite an economic boom that has created 6.6 million jobs, increased federal tax revenues, and tamed inflation while generating strong growth, the media has relentlessly focused its coverage on negative, anecdotal stories (via Newsbeat1):

You are v-e-r-y tired. . . . You will believe everything I say. . . . Just keep your eye on President Bush's sinking polls. . . . Pay no attention to that low jobless rate . . . or the shrinking budget deficit . . . or the record Dow.
That, it seems, is the spell that's again been cast over a strangely receptive public as the Nov. 7 election nears. Despite an economic boom that's nothing short of amazing, especially given the obstacles it's had to overcome, many Americans still think we're on the verge of recession. Or at least that's what some polls say.

Why the disconnect? We keep scratching our heads. Beyond the grumbling over gas prices and some concern about what lies ahead in the war on terror, the only thing we can come up with is the unremittingly negative coverage the economy gets in the mainstream media.

You'd think that after a while people would put two and two together ? that if things are pretty good for them and most people they know, the economy itself must be pretty good, despite what they read in the papers or hear on TV.

How do we know there's a disconnect? Because we see it in our own polling. When we ask Americans about their own financial situations, they're upbeat. When we ask what they think of the economy in general, the response is much less bullish.


And why is that? IBD says it reflects the media coverage of the economy, a trend they see going all the way back to the 1992 election. In that contest, in which James Carville coined the phrase "It's the economy, stupid," the media failed to report that the recession of 1990-1 -- touched off in part by a tax increase -- had ended and that the economy had begun to expand. IBD notes that 90% of the economic coverage in October 1992 were negative, but that decreased to 14% in November ... after the election had concluded, and Bill Clinton won.

In 2000, however, the media completely missed the economic slowdown that eventually turned into a recession in the first quarter of 2001. George Bush pointed it out in his campaign, but it received scant media coverage. In 2004, however, the opposite happened: the media mostly missed the 2003 recovery, fueled by the Bush tax cuts. Remember the "jobless recovery"? Recall how the media echoed the John Kerry campaign that the recovery was an illusion that would burst shortly after the 2004 election? Two years later, it's created over 6 million jobs and generated enough revenue, even with the tax cuts, to cut the projected deficit in half. (Imagine where it would be if we could quit spending money.)

Have the media learned anything? Apparently not. Despite 36 straight months of expansion, an unemployment rate of 4.6%, and inflation at an annual projected rate of 2.4%, the media still can't bring themselves to report on a Republican economy honestly. Business & Media Institute found that TV networks gave twice as much airtime to negative stories as positive ones (62% - 31%). Bad news was twice as likely to get full-length treatment as well. The people interviewed by the network were three times more likely to relate negative anecdotes. To no one's surprise, CBS took the lead in negative coverage, committing 80% of its economic coverage to bad news in the middle of a huge economic expansion.

No industry can be that incompetent by accident. There has been a deliberate attempt to deceive people through anecdotal coverage in a period where all of the economic indicators have shown remarkable and broad growth. IBD warns its readers that the TV networks, at the least, have conducted a propaganda operation, one with a years-old pedigree, and that investors should disregard the economic "journalism" of their news divisions. Voters would be well advised to heed that warning as well.'++++++++++++++++++++

in conclusion Chad --my point is that Dems are coming in at one of most inopportune times in history
---if they can improve on these #'s and find way to win in Iraq--I'll vote a straight Dem ticket in 08--but no fuzzy #'s comparing one month to 8 years and leaving Iraq with getting job done is not "winning".
 
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Who -pray tell--made reference to iraq going well:shrug:

I can guarantee you one thing Stevie--if the Dems come up with any ideas to try and "win" war even if they fail you won't see me dissing them--in fact if you go back I was for trying Bidens approach a few months back.

You know you can argue the war all day long and both sides can spin it their direction but one thing is undisputable.

---they attacked our planes-ships and homeland "before" Afgan and Iraq.

So even the most oblivious knows doing nothing was not the answer.

So excuse we conservatives if we want to kick a little radical muslim ass as a deterant for it happening again--and if it don't work--at least they know they will suffer again if they do so--and not get free pass-- I am sure 2 buildings/2 countries has had some impact.
 

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I see you gave me more than enough to chew on, Wayne, thanks...;)

It will probably be this weekend before I can respond, as I am busy working the phones on some fantasy football trades and have to get done with work ASAP so I can meet a couple of guys for a business meeting at Hooters....Ahem...

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For the 50th time. Another perspective.
THIS |IS NOT A WAR. It was from Bush's view a pre-emptive strike against a Nation that has no Air Force, no Navy and no land force to speak of or so he thought. He then inflicted a Genocide on these people. 150,000 civilians may not qualify as there were more fire-bombed at Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We may have forgotten, but they haven't and neither will the Arabs of the entire region. Bush will tell the Dems that he has to protect the Oil and the Israeli terrorists
 

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You knew it was coming----

"On the audio tape made available on militant Web sites, the al-Qaida in Iraq leader also welcomed the Republican electoral defeat that led to the departure of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. He added that the group's fighters would not rest until they had blown up the White House"

--pretty smart fellows--they waited till after election for their campaign speech this time.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061110/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
 

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Nice to see Dogs hoping for America to fail. Disgusting.

Yes - he is reminding me of the very thing he accused others of the last few years.

DTB (or Sponge or whatever you've deteriorated into) - Do you want the new congress to fail? To want America to suffer? Based your comments thus far, it would appear that you do.
 

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I am sure 2 buildings/2 countries has had some impact.

Impact? Impact on WHAT? None of those people seem too bothered by it.

Iran will continue on with their nuke program at their pace.

Our invasion will have ensured an Iran led Iraq.

The Taliban has resumed control in Afghanistan with opium production at record levels.

Syria laughs at us and at Israel and continues to prop up Hezollah in Lebanon, in concert with Iran.

North Korea? They're just testing nukes, that's all.

Yeah, the little Neo-con catch phrase of '2 buildings/2 countries' is really apropos.

Things are worse and more dangerous than ever before in regards to the Middle East.

Whether or not it's because of 'Iraq' is debatable, but I think you'd have to be an out of touch loon to believe that any country is 'thinking twice' because of anything we've done.

There is no evidence of that. Quite the contrary.

Oh, I forgot about Libya disarming. Whoooop-de- do. They were even less of a threat to America than Saddam, if that's even possible.
 

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Kosar - why are you dragging facts into this? You know damn well those things aren't any good around here.
 

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dogs, you want to talk numbers? How about the NATIONAL DEBT, REALLY THE NUMBER THAT COUNTS MOST. most conservatives want to completely avoid discussion on this. How it has incredibly doubled under Bush watch. The National debt from 1776 to 2000, somehow doubled in the 6 years Bush has been president, explain that please.
 

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Sham, the concept of pumping 4 trillion dollars worth of bad checks into the economy resulting in an illusion of true economic growth is a concept that escapes hopeless ideologues such as dtb.
 
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