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Area activists spied on


Pentagon put anti-war groups across country in database on terror activity.

By Crystal Carreon and Dorothy Korber / Sacramento Bee

Sacramento peace protesters were targeted by a widespread domestic spying operation in which the Pentagon monitored anti-war groups across the country, newly released government documents show.

The documents, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union and made public Tuesday, detail entries made into the Pentagon's Threat and Local Observation Notice database dating back to November 2004, when two local groups protested at the Military Entrance Processing Station on Rosin Court in North Sacramento.

The revelation adds more fuel to the ongoing debate over governmental spying on citizens critical of the war in Iraq. It is the latest in a series of cases that includes the California National Guard's spying on anti-war grandmothers and secret wiretapping by the National Security Agency.

The 3-year-old database, known as TALON, was designed to track military intelligence on possible terrorist activity.

But the reports released Tuesday reveal surveillance of peaceful protests at several military recruiting stations across the country, raising new questions of how far such spying has gone in the name of national security.

"Basically, I think this speaks of a new age of McCarthyism," said Bill Durston, former president of Physicians for Social Responsibility, who was at the Sacramento protest cited in the Pentagon report. "It's frightening that they would try to suppress free speech and intimidate people this way."

The Pentagon now says that including peace demonstrations was inappropriate and that the material -- 186 items out of 13,000 entries -- has been purged from the database.

The nine reports released Tuesday include protests at military recruiting centers in Springfield, Ill., rolling protests across Atlanta and a church service for peace in New York.

"The U.S. military is not spying on U.S. citizens," Maj. Pat Ryder, a Pentagon spokesman, said Tuesday. "That data should never have been in the database in the first place."

The Pentagon released the documents in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by the ACLU.

After reviewing the reports, the ACLU says it will push for a congressional investigation of what it characterizes as domestic spying. Among the questions it wants answered is who monitored these groups -- and how.

"There is a real danger when the United States military gets in the business of monitoring peaceful protest activities," said Ben Wizner, an attorney with the ACLU national legal department.

According to the Pentagon report, authorities described the Sacramento protest as "deeply into 'counter-recruiting' " and identified it as "incident type: specific threat." Under comments, the report states: "It appears this protest will most likely be peaceful, but some type of vandalism is always a possibility."

George Main, president of the Sacramento Veterans for Peace, was there that rainy day in 2004. He said Tuesday that he was aware then that the federal government had targeted and monitored his group -- actions that he called illegal.

"The protest was held on November 11," he recalled. "On the morning of the 10th, I received a call from a special agent for Homeland Security. I assured him that we knew the recruiting office would be closed and that we were peaceful and wouldn't destroy anything."

During the protest, Main read the names of 18 soldiers who had passed through the processing station and later died in Iraq.

He suspects that his phones were tapped after that and that undercover agents tried to infiltrate the local Veterans for Peace chapter. He bases those suspicions on noises in his phone equipment and from the strangers who showed up at gatherings but refused to supply contact data.

He speaks from personal experience, he said. In the late 1970s, he was part of the Army's domestic spying operation.

"One of the things I did was spy on Americans" he said. "I objected to it at the time, but I did what I was told. It was wrong. I'm upset that they're doing it to me, but I know it happens."

Surveillance of peace protesters also has surfaced as a local issue.

In February 2003, Sacramento police officers videotaped an anti-war demonstration. Police Chief Albert N?jera said that such taping was routine procedure at any big gathering. But demonstrators worried that their images would be used against them one day.

That same year, controversy erupted after protesters discovered that an undercover sheriff's detective in Fresno had infiltrated Peace Fresno, an anti-war group formed after the Sept. 11 attacks.

And undercover agents from the California Highway Patrol attended training sessions in 2003 by a protest group planning demonstrations at the Ministerial Conference and Expo on Agricultural Science and Technology that was held in Sacramento.

Massive protests and clashes with police marred that conference.
 

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How about the black boxes being put in our autos since 2003. They say to help tell what went wrong in a accident. . They forgot to say it tracks where you been. How about new printers for your computer on sale for over three years. Check it out it can be monitored. Your home computer always could. But they need to know what you print off?
 

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do you remember "the weathermen"?....

nothing unusual here....

Here is the problem weasel. Its called abuse of powers. The system is supposed to find terrorist. Not spy on our very own people. You see what i have been trying to sink into that thick head of yours? When you give assholes certain laws they will abuse them for their own good. Why are they spying on innocent people? Why are they wasting time on these people when they could be looking for terrorist? kinda reminds me of a state cop. All the crime out there but this dick is gonna sit all night trying to catch speeders.
 

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Here is the problem weasel. Its called abuse of powers. The system is supposed to find terrorist. Not spy on our very own people. You see what i have been trying to sink into that thick head of yours? When you give assholes certain laws they will abuse them for their own good. Why are they spying on innocent people? Why are they wasting time on these people when they could be looking for terrorist? kinda reminds me of a state cop. All the crime out there but this dick is gonna sit all night trying to catch speeders.

you obviously don`t have a clue about the weathermen......

how about tim mcveigh?

see,that`s where you`re wrong,spongy...you equate terror only with the jihadis....

they are the main threat,no doubt......doesn`t mean that these anti-american/anti-government asshats get a free pass....the fbi,the highway patrol,homeland security........whomever is responsible for domestic sedurity should have an obligation to ferret out any groups that step over the line into violence.......

preemptively....
 

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G W if true lets hope this new congress gets the money in right place home land security. Help for cities and states. Many mayors and most Governors have said there way under funded now last three four years. I guess putting money into seeing what we print on our home computers was priority. As if anyone would be that stupid any more after they know they can be monitored. We need more undercover folks on the ground right here at home.
 

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When you give @ssholes certain liberties, they will abuse them for their own good/agenda.

A real asshole would trick kids with fake promises to go fight over in Iraq. Then have no conscience when this kid never comes back while his family is totally destroyed. That is a true asshole. Lots and lots of stories about these assholes. Hey but they make their goals. Bravo.
 

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Sponge What is it that makes liberals think people that volunteer for service knowing they will be in harms way need to be "tricked" into doing so--and those that volunteer to go back 2 or 3 times don't have more knowledge of facts than those claiming they are tricked.
Is it your intent you say that courage-foritude-self sacrifice ect are fairy tail attributes and they have to be stupid or tricked to make sacrifices?
I assume then the same could be said for firemen-rescue workers ect.

P.S. I liked your horse racing joke--was a good one:)
 

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Sponge What is it that makes liberals think people that volunteer for service knowing they will be in harms way need to be "tricked" into doing so--and those that volunteer to go back 2 or 3 times don't have more knowledge of facts than those claiming they are tricked.
Is it your intent you say that courage-foritude-self sacrifice ect are fairy tail attributes and they have to be stupid or tricked to make sacrifices?
I assume then the same could be said for firemen-rescue workers ect.

P.S. I liked your horse racing joke--was a good one:)

dog all im saying is there are a number or recruiters out there misleading young kids to join up. this has nothing to do about Liberals. Now there are other kids who join because they want to. there are a million stories out there about rotten recruiters tactic to make their quotas. False promises.
 

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dog all im saying is there are a number or recruiters out there misleading young kids to join up. this has nothing to do about Liberals. Now there are other kids who join because they want to. there are a million stories out there about rotten recruiters tactic to make their quotas. False promises.


There are millions of kids that go and sign up with a recruiter and then change their mind and want to work at McDonalds instead and will say anything and everything to get out of their committment.

I had one kid, signed up, collected about 64k over 3 years while he was still in college and then 2 months before he graduated and was supposed to go active duty and OCS he decided he didnt want to do it anymore....
He was going to be a pilot. So he went and paid off an eye doctor to write him a note saying that he was color blind.

He had already passed his vision tests 2 years prior, but he thought that he could make up a story about waking up one morning and being color blind.
 
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