This could have all been cleared up a couple of years ago!!!!

[LA Burns]

2 years ago when OU was absolutely demolished by K ST and then backed into the NC game, a rule should have been implemented that in order to go to the NC game you have to win your conference

Provisions could have been made for 2 undefeated teams from the same conference, etc. , but we wouldn't have to sit here and hear from idiots in the media (Steven A Smith?) how its simple and MICH is better than FLA and that's why they should play OSU

Listen, I'm not saying that FLA is better than MICH or anything like that - I'm just saying that if you're trying to find the one game that you want to call your NC, then learn from your blatant mistakes along the way - If that rule had been implemented we would have woken up today without any of this b u l l s h i t and the game would be FLA/OSU - sorry MICH, win your conference -

Whole think really pisses me off

 

[Bombs]

2 years ago when OU was absolutely demolished by K ST and then backed into the NC game, a rule should have been implemented that in order to go to the NC game you have to win your conference

Provisions could have been made for 2 undefeated teams from the same conference, etc. , but we wouldn't have to sit here and hear from idiots in the media (Steven A Smith?) how its simple and MICH is better than FLA and that's why they should play OSU

Listen, I'm not saying that FLA is better than MICH or anything like that - I'm just saying that if you're trying to find the one game that you want to call your NC, then learn from your blatant mistakes along the way - If that rule had been implemented we would have woken up today without any of this b u l l s h i t and the game would be FLA/OSU - sorry MICH, win your conference -

Whole think really pisses me off

im not sure what "winning your conference" has to do with anything. it's supposed to be the two best teams. the whole winning your conference bs is a controversy creating media rallying cry.

 

[LA Burns]

MICH:
Sat, Sep 2 Vanderbilt W 27-7 --
Sat, Sep 9 Central Michigan W 41-17 --
Sat, Sep 16 at (2) Notre Dame W 47-21 --
Sat, Sep 23 Wisconsin W 27-13 --
Sat, Sep 30 at Minnesota W 28-14 --
Sat, Oct 7 Michigan State W 31-13 --
Sat, Oct 14 at Penn State W 17-10 --
Sat, Oct 21 Iowa W 20-6 --
Sat, Oct 28 Northwestern W 17-3 --
Sat, Nov 4 Ball State W 34-26 --
Sat, Nov 11 at Indiana W 34-3 --
Sat, Nov 18 at (1) Ohio State L 39-42 --

FLA:
Sat, Sep 2 Southern Miss W 34-7
Sat, Sep 9 UCF W 42-0
Sat, Sep 16 at (13) Tennessee W 21-20
Sat, Sep 23 Kentucky W 26-7
Sat, Sep 30 Alabama W 28-13
Sat, Oct 7 (9) LSU W 23-10
Sat, Oct 14 at (11) Auburn L 17-27
Sat, Oct 28 Georgia W 21-14
Sat, Nov 4 at Vanderbilt W 25-19
Sat, Nov 11 South Carolina W 17-16
Sat, Nov 18 Western Carolina W 62-0
Sat, Nov 25 at Florida State W 21-14
Sat, Dec 2 (8) Arkansas W 38-28

TENN - LSU - UGA - ARK - FSU - SC - AUB

USM - KENT - BAMA - UCF - WC

NW - BALL ST - IND - IOWA - MICH ST - MINN - CENT MICH - VANDY

ND - PSU - WISKY - OSU


Can you really try and tell me these schedules match up - give me a break

Even FLA's cakewalks (KENT, USM, BAMA) are perrenial and current bowl teams

UF's opponents have highest winning % in nation - what more do you want?

 

[TouchdownJesus]

Lets say that Ohio State lost 2 games. They lost their first 2 games, each by a point, and half the team didn't dress due to a serious illness.
They blew out the remaining 10 teams and finished 10-2.
They are CLEARLY the best team in the nation.

Do they play for the title? I mean, everyone keeps saying that we are trying to find the "best 2 teams".

How come we always "know" that the best 2 teams are either unbeaten or only 1-loss.

It should be about deserving to play for the title, not being the best team.

 

[Bombs]

Lets say that Ohio State lost 2 games. They lost their first 2 games, each by a point, and half the team didn't dress due to a serious illness.
They blew out the remaining 10 teams and finished 10-2.
They are CLEARLY the best team in the nation.

Do they play for the title? I mean, everyone keeps saying that we are trying to find the "best 2 teams".

How come we always "know" that the best 2 teams are either unbeaten or only 1-loss.

It should be about deserving to play for the title, not being the best team.

both teams deserve to play for the title.

 

[LA Burns]

This is exactly the point:

This is exactly the point:

Lets say that Ohio State lost 2 games. They lost their first 2 games, each by a point, and half the team didn't dress due to a serious illness.
They blew out the remaining 10 teams and finished 10-2.
They are CLEARLY the best team in the nation.

Do they play for the title? I mean, everyone keeps saying that we are trying to find the "best 2 teams".

How come we always "know" that the best 2 teams are either unbeaten or only 1-loss.

It should be about deserving to play for the title, not being the best team.

We aren't trying to find best 2 - trying to eliminate all teams but 2, and if we could eliminate UM due to the fact they didn't win conf. then there would be no problem, no gray area

We also would have gotten LSU/USC when that was the rational NC game

Use rational thought people

 

[Roger Baltrey]

LA Burns:


Your were making some good points until you called Kentucky a perennial bowl team!:mj07:

 

[jr11]

Let's say it is Michigan, and they eke out a close win against Ohio St. Then what. Ok, now add in say FLA plays someone like USC in the Rose Bowl, and beats them say by 10 or so. Then what. This is the type of shit that can't happen. Arguement or no arguement, I can foresee the SEC going crazy if they should get left out again. When you have 2 teams this close, I have to believe the deciding factor should come down to winning your conference. Although, I do like Michigans team better. This should be interesting to see what happens...

jr11

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Godfather, I agree and I am more of a Big Ten guy. Let's all agree on one point, this system sucks the big one. I liked it better when these bowls were aligned by conference. Who wants to see Louisville-Wake Forest or Boise-Oklahoma. And why do they have 2 of the games on January 4th or 5th. They have also kinda wrecked New Years day. Either do a Final 4 or go back to the old system. The Rose Bowl was awesome back in the day and has been wrecked now. Remember Oklahoma/Washington St.?

 

[Mags]

Lets say that Ohio State lost 2 games. They lost their first 2 games, each by a point, and half the team didn't dress due to a serious illness.
They blew out the remaining 10 teams and finished 10-2.
They are CLEARLY the best team in the nation.

Do they play for the title? I mean, everyone keeps saying that we are trying to find the "best 2 teams".

How come we always "know" that the best 2 teams are either unbeaten or only 1-loss.

It should be about deserving to play for the title, not being the best team.

HUH? We don't want the best teams in the title game? You must "deserve" the title?

How stupid of a comment is that? Let me guess, Florida "deserves" to play for the title, due to the fact that Arkansas handed them the game yesterday with one of the worst mistakes in the history of college football giving them the win.

If you are going to take the approach, "who deserves to go", then I'd take Boise State over Florida anyday. They didn't lose, so they "deserve to go"...

Give me a break... Fla wins a game over a bad, one dimensional opponent who GAVE them the game with an idiot fielding a punt over his shoulder on the 2 yard line, and then fumbles in the end zone...

now all of a sudden FLA is the best thing since sliced bread.... I didn't hear ANYBODY saying Florida should have been ahead of Michigan last week...

Florida did nothing this week to make anyone think they should move ahead of Michigan.

Let's face it - if the top 2 teams in the nation were in the SEC - well, then all the SEC fans would be saying "it's not our fault we have the best 2 teams - they should play".

Whatever fits the SEC agenda.... the SEC sucked last year (one of their "best" teams got blown out by one of the Big 10 average teams in the Wisconsin-Auburn game).

The SEC will get smoked again this year (with the one exception of LSU - who is a real good team this year - much better than Florida IMHO).

 

[blgstocks]

HUH? We don't want the best teams in the title game? You must "deserve" the title?

How stupid of a comment is that? Let me guess, Florida "deserves" to play for the title, due to the fact that Arkansas handed them the game yesterday with one of the worst mistakes in the history of college football giving them the win.

If you are going to take the approach, "who deserves to go", then I'd take Boise State over Florida anyday. They didn't lose, so they "deserve to go"...

Give me a break... Fla wins a game over a bad, one dimensional opponent who GAVE them the game with an idiot fielding a punt over his shoulder on the 2 yard line, and then fumbles in the end zone...

now all of a sudden FLA is the best thing since sliced bread.... I didn't hear ANYBODY saying Florida should have been ahead of Michigan last week...

Florida did nothing this week to make anyone think they should move ahead of Michigan.

Let's face it - if the top 2 teams in the nation were in the SEC - well, then all the SEC fans would be saying "it's not our fault we have the best 2 teams - they should play".

Whatever fits the SEC agenda.... the SEC sucked last year (one of their "best" teams got blown out by one of the Big 10 average teams in the Wisconsin-Auburn game).

The SEC will get smoked again this year (with the
one exception of LSU - who is a real good team this year - much better than Florida IMHO).

Mags I think you are taking this Mich/Fla thing to personal. It is an unfortunate situation that we all knew would happen and we all predicted thread after thread of bickering. Not saying your the only one, but I just dont want you to get worked up over something that cant be changed by arguing.

 

[Mags]

Mags I think you are taking this Mich/Fla thing to personal. It is an unfortunate situation that we all knew would happen and we all predicted thread after thread of bickering. Not saying your the only one, but I just dont want you to get worked up over something that cant be changed by arguing.

Thanks - you make good points, and your post was actually very helpful to me.

You are also right - there are a lot of wrongs in this world - this will be one of them. I just didn't want to see a 20 pt blowout for the championship game. It appears now we will since they are forcing FL on us. Ohio State may pull their starters by halftime, they'll be up so much.

 

[blgstocks]

Thanks - you make good points, and your post was actually very helpful to me.

You are also right - there are a lot of wrongs in this world - this will be one of them. I just didn't want to see a 20 pt blowout for the championship game. It appears now we will since they are forcing FL on us. Ohio State may pull their starters by halftime, they'll be up so much.

NP

You may be right about Fla being down big, OSU is just a monster on offense and very good defense as well. But I think it will be entertaining to see what ridiculous plays urban meyer will pull out of his hat. The SEC championship game had so many crazy plays it was just fun to watch. Of course, if those plays blow up it is just sad to watch.

For the record, I said that Mich/OSU was the NC game back when they played each other, and I do believe Mich/OSU are the clear cut two best teams. But I wouldn't mind seeing Fla have their shot.

 

[Dice34]

We aren't trying to find best 2 - trying to eliminate all teams but 2, and if we could eliminate UM due to the fact they didn't win conf. then there would be no problem, no gray area

We also would have gotten LSU/USC when that was the rational NC game

Use rational thought people

why should UM be eliminated, in every other college sports championship, teams that havent won their conference still get a shot to win the NC........this system sucks.....we need a playoff of atleast 8 teams and let the players decide it on the field..........some years its 3 to 4 teams, sometimes its 6 to 7 teams that could beat each other up on any given day.........8 is an ideal number and the universities can still have there 26 other shitty bowl games

 

[TouchdownJesus]

I want to start every argument with...."this system sucks....

But, you can't compare this crap with other system's. Why? B/C this isn't a playoff. Sure, Duke could play UNC for the title in basketball. But, they would have to go through a playoff to get there. This is 100 teams, and we're picking 2 teams to play for a title. Much different situation.

We never try to find the "best 2 teams" in basketball. We settle it on the field/court.

College football is nothing more than a ratings system where you are ranked at a certain level and then you drop if you lose. Its stupid but thats the "system".

I emailed Terry Bowden (of yahoo sports) today...

 

[LA Burns]

i think system sucks as well - i promise - certainly not advocating anything to do with BCS

I am an LSU fan, went to school there, therefore an SEC fan - but i would have made the same argument if this was a 1 loss OU team off of BIG 12 Champ. win - I've always liked MICH - would argue for MICH if logical thinking presribed it

Simply put it didn't make sense this year, and I am glad that we'll get the right game

And I think UF has quite some time to get healthy now - long break certainly favors the Gators - will be interesting to see if people just write FLA off -

 

[Kewl Tigers]

Burns what years were you there?

 

[LA Burns]

Hey Kewl,

Started in the fall of '92 - partied for 3 years then finished up at UNO (heard that story before?)