Im not gonna apologize for a statement that is true. If you can't handle it so be it. what happen to free speech around here? Because you disagree gag me. You would fit in good with this administration because that is what they specialize in. Bottom line the majority of the south vote against their best interest every single time. Go read the book "why Kansas doesn't get it. the problem is that most are very kind people and don't know they are getting a Tony snow job. Okay let me rephrase that. They are very kind but terribly uniformed. You are too if you thought voting for this guy the first time that he was gonna do some good. His freaking dad ran us into huge debt's and went into Iraq after giving Saddam the okay to go into Kuwait. The history of this rotten family if you knew it would have made you vote for a dog before this clan. Bill Mahre says this all the time why don't you call HBO and have him gagged? Tons of people think this but in this country you get gagged for saying it. That is why they don't say it. You see it happening right now to Gwenth Paltrow . All the hit men on Fox are out to ruin her career for stating the obvious. If your afraid to hold someone accountable, i'll do it.
hillary`s running!!!
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Im not gonna apologize for a statement that is true. If you can't handle it so be it. what happen to free speech around here? Because you disagree gag me. You would fit in good with this administration because that is what they specialize in. Bottom line the majority of the south vote against their best interest every single time. Go read the book "why Kansas doesn't get it. the problem is that most are very kind people and don't know they are getting a Tony snow job. Okay let me rephrase that. They are very kind but terribly uniformed. You are too if you thought voting for this guy the first time that he was gonna do some good. His freaking dad ran us into huge debt's and went into Iraq after giving Saddam the okay to go into Kuwait. The history of this rotten family if you knew it would have made you vote for a dog before this clan. Bill Mahre says this all the time why don't you call HBO and have him gagged? Tons of people think this but in this country you get gagged for saying it. That is why they don't say it. You see it happening right now to Gwenth Paltrow . All the hit men on Fox are out to ruin her career for stating the obvious. If your afraid to hold someone accountable, i'll do it.
By the way Smurph what you think about Jimmy Carters new book? You want to gag him also for stating what is know all over the world but not here because are press wants to dumb us down to think Isreal is this fantastic country? Probably not an opinion you like but fail to relize their is another side.
Well I've never really praised Israel - not sure where you got that idea. I think the decision for peace is in Palestine's hands more often than Israel's, but Israel blows it often too. I'm on the side of Israel when it comes to their right to exist, but I can't blame a family member of someone killed by a stray rocket for wanting vengeance either. It's a f'd up situation. I think the US takes a pretty good stance most of the time.
Obviousally I would not ban you even if i was the Mod. for what you said, of course I beleive in free speech and me saying that was a representation of my disgust for your uninformed post regarding the south. No one should be banned for speaking their mind, on a forum like this or anywhere in America.
"They are kind but terribly uninformed"
That is the kind of statement that I am talking about.
These brash generalizations about an entire region of the United States being stupid is presumptious, pompus patronizing and inane.
It is fine to disagree on policy and specific points about how someone runs an administration and if you would stop talking out of your ass for a second you may realize that I am not this uninformed conservative southerner that you think, but you are hell-bent on ridiculing the south not only in this thread but others.
If you want to challenge anyone from the South or anywhere on points, then fine. But to catagorize the entire south as unintelligent is like saying all Northerners are stuck up, or everyone from Utah is a mormon, or all democrats are liberal, etc.
I dont think anyone appreciates the south bashing and it offers no contribution to discussion.
When you can offer me some facts about how people overall in the south are dumber than people in the north or out west, then I will atleast tolerate hearing you say it without bitching so much.
As for Hillary though, who I think lived in the South for quite a while if i am not mistaken, we all know shes running as she has moved closer and closer to the center since taking office. It will be interesting to see where she really stands on things once she has to campeign nationwide.
"They are kind but terribly uninformed"
That is the kind of statement that I am talking about.
These brash generalizations about an entire region of the United States being stupid is presumptious, pompus patronizing and inane.
It is fine to disagree on policy and specific points about how someone runs an administration and if you would stop talking out of your ass for a second you may realize that I am not this uninformed conservative southerner that you think, but you are hell-bent on ridiculing the south not only in this thread but others.
If you want to challenge anyone from the South or anywhere on points, then fine. But to catagorize the entire south as unintelligent is like saying all Northerners are stuck up, or everyone from Utah is a mormon, or all democrats are liberal, etc.
I dont think anyone appreciates the south bashing and it offers no contribution to discussion.
When you can offer me some facts about how people overall in the south are dumber than people in the north or out west, then I will atleast tolerate hearing you say it without bitching so much.
As for Hillary though, who I think lived in the South for quite a while if i am not mistaken, we all know shes running as she has moved closer and closer to the center since taking office. It will be interesting to see where she really stands on things once she has to campeign nationwide.
I think the US takes a pretty good stance most of the time.[/QUOTE]
Because you never hear the other side of the story. We as a nation are forbid to hear it. Carters book will tell you the other side of the story that is why everyone is killing him right now but if you watch the BBC you will here this other side about the other occupiers.
Because you never hear the other side of the story. We as a nation are forbid to hear it. Carters book will tell you the other side of the story that is why everyone is killing him right now but if you watch the BBC you will here this other side about the other occupiers.
I said 55 percent. As hard as it is for you could you possible learn how to not spin my words? I never once said all southeners. 45 percent of the people is one helluva lot of people.
Hey Spongie...............
Hey Spongie...............
Did u happen to see Jimbo Carter on Charlie Rose...... Carter is probably the living authority
on Israel/Palestine..and William Jefferson the living human who came closest to having a Middle East Settlement.
Any way Shimon Peres whom i have followed for most of his career was on right after Carter and the only thing he disagreed about with Carter was that he was disappointed that Carter classified the West Bank situation as Apartheid.
If u get a chance and there is a re run watch this program. Also Peres has always been one of those with a voice of reason..unlike Sharon..the Israeli Bush...both Punks.
Hey Spongie...............
Did u happen to see Jimbo Carter on Charlie Rose...... Carter is probably the living authority
on Israel/Palestine..and William Jefferson the living human who came closest to having a Middle East Settlement.
Any way Shimon Peres whom i have followed for most of his career was on right after Carter and the only thing he disagreed about with Carter was that he was disappointed that Carter classified the West Bank situation as Apartheid.
If u get a chance and there is a re run watch this program. Also Peres has always been one of those with a voice of reason..unlike Sharon..the Israeli Bush...both Punks.
It's so simple even a southerner can do it..LOL
It's so simple even a southerner can do it..LOL
There has to be a lot of stupid people in this country.
How can anyone vote for these two morons that we have.
They make fun of Clinton yet they pulled the levers for bush/cheney.
HE HE HE, you bush voters can come out of the bunker but don't throw away those cyanide capsules just yet...somehow i get the feeling you bush voters are going to phuck up again and vote for these republican kaksuckers again.
Sean Hannity takes it up the ass.
It's so simple even a southerner can do it..LOL
There has to be a lot of stupid people in this country.
How can anyone vote for these two morons that we have.
They make fun of Clinton yet they pulled the levers for bush/cheney.
HE HE HE, you bush voters can come out of the bunker but don't throw away those cyanide capsules just yet...somehow i get the feeling you bush voters are going to phuck up again and vote for these republican kaksuckers again.
Sean Hannity takes it up the ass.
She may get asked to be V P. She will not get nomination. I think this country has all of the Bush's and Clinton's it can Handel. In away it's to bad for Jeb. He may be smartest Bush of the three.
The one thing that always gives me hope
The one thing that always gives me hope
is that there are 100 million people out there that have not voted. When they do they will not be Right Wing disfuntional Neo Cons. If America survives ...........the Bushites/Cheneys/ Wolfowitzes/ Perles will be washed away down the Sewer...............the new voters will be brown black yellow and our childrens America will not be that of our youth.
The one thing that always gives me hope
is that there are 100 million people out there that have not voted. When they do they will not be Right Wing disfuntional Neo Cons. If America survives ...........the Bushites/Cheneys/ Wolfowitzes/ Perles will be washed away down the Sewer...............the new voters will be brown black yellow and our childrens America will not be that of our youth.
DJV I coulnt agree more.
Think about it. Bush 4 years, Clinton 8 years, Bush 4 years, then Clinton again?
Think that would be a major turn off for many Americans.
And its a good thing, we need someone to bring Washington out of the shit it has drug itself into, and I know another Bush/Clinton would not do that with all the power it has estb. there over the past 2 decades.
Think about it. Bush 4 years, Clinton 8 years, Bush 4 years, then Clinton again?
Think that would be a major turn off for many Americans.
And its a good thing, we need someone to bring Washington out of the shit it has drug itself into, and I know another Bush/Clinton would not do that with all the power it has estb. there over the past 2 decades.
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So who do you want.......Sam Brownback, some clown bible thumper from Kansas. AL Bore? Prick Cheney? Barack Obama? George (Macaca) Allen? John (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) Kerry? Rudy (I've banged more babes than Clinton) Guiliani?
no hammer but ill probably watch it tonight. I saw this documentary once which showed how are press slants everything to Isreal. it was a classic. One by one they would go to each station and they all had a different word for what was happening. Then they showed what was really happening. I wiah i could remember what it was called. They probably pulled it now like the time they caught all the NFL owners down at a combine with all the Mafia families from around the world. I tried like heck to get that doc but PBS said they would never show it again. I did see Carter on Larry King. surprisingly the Jewish King didn't get all steamed up but he did have a ton of quotes from Allen Dirshorwitz who i actually think is a great lawyer but the Jewis Bias with Allen was so blantant. He called Carter worse names than Garden Weasal does. Their own people want piece over there but they have that filthy gov't also. Ben Netinasshole is a classic. He loves to keep up the fighting. He hopes it never ends. Sometimes i feel sad Isreal didn't turn the right way and get all that oil. We could be paying 50 bucks a gallon for it if they did.
Pugo its nice to see someone with a set of balls telling it like it is. Lots and lots of people feel this way but in one way ior another they are afraid to say anything. You get guys like Dan Rather open up he loses his job. Bill Mahre is the only one who was held accountable for 9-11. General Shinsecki open up and the Bush's squashed him. Everyone of those guys were telling the truth yet lost their jobs. Dixy Chicks were wrong. He is not a disgrace to Texas he is a disgrace to the whole world. Well, not the whole world we still have people who voted for him and say they would again. wonderful brilliant people we have here.
I am scared of a John Edwards Pres/vp Hillary ticket:com:
Unfortunately that is electible, We will see who the Repubs put out there to vote for, lets just hope they can find someone better than the current President:shrug:
Unfortunately that is electible, We will see who the Repubs put out there to vote for, lets just hope they can find someone better than the current President:shrug:
Carter's "Errors, omissions, inventions and falsehoods"
Carter's "Errors, omissions, inventions and falsehoods"
:mj07:
from PowerLineblog.com
December 05, 2006
Errors, omissions, inventions and falsehoods
A reader writes that he received the email message below sent by Professor Kenneth Stein of Emory University and the Carter Center. Porfessor Stein's expertise lies in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Our reader writes that when he was an undergraduate student at Emory in the mid-1990's, Professor Stein was one of the most revered, respected professors on campus, and that Professor Stein had a long-standing association with the Carter Center in his capacity as an expert in Middle East politics and history.
Professor Stein is apparently terminating that association, solely as a result of Carter's new book, Palestine: Peace, Not Apartheid. The reaction of Professor Stein -- a formerly close associate and collaborator of Carter -- to Carter's new book is, as our reader thought it would be, of great interest to us:
This note is to inform you that yesterday, I sent letters to President Jimmy Carter, Emory University President Jim Wagner, and Dr. John Hardman, Executive Director of the Carter Center resigning my position, effectively immediately, as Middle East Fellow of the Carter Center of Emory University. This ends my 23 year association with an institution that in some small way I helped shape and develop. My joint academic position in Emory College in the History and Political Science Departments, and, as Director of the Emory Institute for the Study of Modern Israel remains unchanged.
Many still believe that I have an active association with the Center and, act as an adviser to President Carter, neither is the case. President Carter has intermittently continued to come to the Arab-Israeli Conflict class I teach in Emory College. He gives undergraduate students a fine first hand recollection of the Begin-Sadat negotiations of the late 1970s. Since I left the Center physically thirteen years ago, the Middle East program of the Center has waned as has my status as a Carter Center Fellow. For the record, I had nothing to do with the research, preparation, writing, or review of President Carter's recent publication. Any material which he used from the book we did together in 1984, The Blood of Abraham, he used unilaterally.
President Carter's book on the Middle East, a title too inflammatory to even print, is not based on unvarnished analyses; it is replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments. Aside from the one-sided nature of the book, meant to provoke, there are recollections cited from meetings where I was the third person in the room, and my notes of those meetings show little similarity to points claimed in the book. Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information or to unpack it with cuts, deftly slanted to provide a particular outlook. Having little access to Arabic and Hebrew sources, I believe, clearly handicapped his understanding and analyses of how history has unfolded over the last decade. Falsehoods, if repeated often enough become meta-truths, and they then can become the erroneous baseline for shaping and reinforcing attitudes and for policy-making. The history and interpretation of the Arab-Israeli conflict is already drowning in half-truths, suppositions, and self-serving myths; more are not necessary. In due course, I shall detail these points and reflect on their origins.
The decade I spent at the Carter Center (1983-1993) as the first permanent Executive Director and as the first Fellow were intellectually enriching for Emory as an institution, the general public, the interns who learned with us, and for me professionally. Setting standards for rigorous interchange and careful analyses spilled out to the other programs that shaped the Center's early years. There was mutual respect for all views; we carefully avoided polemics or special pleading. This book does not hold to those standards. My continued association with the Center leaves the impression that I am sanctioning a series of egregious errors and polemical conclusions which appeared in President Carter's book. I can not allow that impression to stand.
Through Emory College, I have continued my professional commitment to inform students and the general public about the history and politics of Israel, the Middle East, and American policies toward the region. I have tried to remain true to a life-time devotion to scholarly excellence based upon unvarnished analyses and intellectual integrity. I hold fast to the notion that academic settings and those in positions of influence must teach and not preach. Through Emory College, in public lectures, and in OPED writings, I have adhered to the strong belief that history must presented in context, and understood the way it was, not the way we wish it to be.
In closing, let me thank you for your friendship, past and continuing support for ISMI, and to Emory College. Let me also wish you and your loved ones a happy holiday season, and a healthy and productive new year.
As ever,
Ken
Dr. Kenneth W. Stein,
Professor of Contemporary Middle Eastern History, Political Science,
and Israeli Studies,
Director, Middle East Research Program and
Emory Institute for the Study of Modern Israel
Atlanta, Georgia
Carter's "Errors, omissions, inventions and falsehoods"
:mj07:
:mj07:
from PowerLineblog.com
December 05, 2006
Errors, omissions, inventions and falsehoods
A reader writes that he received the email message below sent by Professor Kenneth Stein of Emory University and the Carter Center. Porfessor Stein's expertise lies in the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Our reader writes that when he was an undergraduate student at Emory in the mid-1990's, Professor Stein was one of the most revered, respected professors on campus, and that Professor Stein had a long-standing association with the Carter Center in his capacity as an expert in Middle East politics and history.
Professor Stein is apparently terminating that association, solely as a result of Carter's new book, Palestine: Peace, Not Apartheid. The reaction of Professor Stein -- a formerly close associate and collaborator of Carter -- to Carter's new book is, as our reader thought it would be, of great interest to us:
This note is to inform you that yesterday, I sent letters to President Jimmy Carter, Emory University President Jim Wagner, and Dr. John Hardman, Executive Director of the Carter Center resigning my position, effectively immediately, as Middle East Fellow of the Carter Center of Emory University. This ends my 23 year association with an institution that in some small way I helped shape and develop. My joint academic position in Emory College in the History and Political Science Departments, and, as Director of the Emory Institute for the Study of Modern Israel remains unchanged.
Many still believe that I have an active association with the Center and, act as an adviser to President Carter, neither is the case. President Carter has intermittently continued to come to the Arab-Israeli Conflict class I teach in Emory College. He gives undergraduate students a fine first hand recollection of the Begin-Sadat negotiations of the late 1970s. Since I left the Center physically thirteen years ago, the Middle East program of the Center has waned as has my status as a Carter Center Fellow. For the record, I had nothing to do with the research, preparation, writing, or review of President Carter's recent publication. Any material which he used from the book we did together in 1984, The Blood of Abraham, he used unilaterally.
President Carter's book on the Middle East, a title too inflammatory to even print, is not based on unvarnished analyses; it is replete with factual errors, copied materials not cited, superficialities, glaring omissions, and simply invented segments. Aside from the one-sided nature of the book, meant to provoke, there are recollections cited from meetings where I was the third person in the room, and my notes of those meetings show little similarity to points claimed in the book. Being a former President does not give one a unique privilege to invent information or to unpack it with cuts, deftly slanted to provide a particular outlook. Having little access to Arabic and Hebrew sources, I believe, clearly handicapped his understanding and analyses of how history has unfolded over the last decade. Falsehoods, if repeated often enough become meta-truths, and they then can become the erroneous baseline for shaping and reinforcing attitudes and for policy-making. The history and interpretation of the Arab-Israeli conflict is already drowning in half-truths, suppositions, and self-serving myths; more are not necessary. In due course, I shall detail these points and reflect on their origins.
The decade I spent at the Carter Center (1983-1993) as the first permanent Executive Director and as the first Fellow were intellectually enriching for Emory as an institution, the general public, the interns who learned with us, and for me professionally. Setting standards for rigorous interchange and careful analyses spilled out to the other programs that shaped the Center's early years. There was mutual respect for all views; we carefully avoided polemics or special pleading. This book does not hold to those standards. My continued association with the Center leaves the impression that I am sanctioning a series of egregious errors and polemical conclusions which appeared in President Carter's book. I can not allow that impression to stand.
Through Emory College, I have continued my professional commitment to inform students and the general public about the history and politics of Israel, the Middle East, and American policies toward the region. I have tried to remain true to a life-time devotion to scholarly excellence based upon unvarnished analyses and intellectual integrity. I hold fast to the notion that academic settings and those in positions of influence must teach and not preach. Through Emory College, in public lectures, and in OPED writings, I have adhered to the strong belief that history must presented in context, and understood the way it was, not the way we wish it to be.
In closing, let me thank you for your friendship, past and continuing support for ISMI, and to Emory College. Let me also wish you and your loved ones a happy holiday season, and a healthy and productive new year.
As ever,
Ken
Dr. Kenneth W. Stein,
Professor of Contemporary Middle Eastern History, Political Science,
and Israeli Studies,
Director, Middle East Research Program and
Emory Institute for the Study of Modern Israel
Atlanta, Georgia
about Hilree
about Hilree
She knows the demographics are against her in any future bid beyond next election---after the 2010 Census she would have the additional hurdle of having to win another red/border and a Southern state as population shifts increase electoral college votes those areas.
She will definitely need a Southerner to balance the ticket in any run.
Yeah, most of the "progressives" of the left regard Hillary as a Republican-in-disguise.
Howard Zinn sez he supports Marian Wright Edelman as the female Democratic candidate for president!
[..]Clinton, who easily won re-election to a second term on Nov. 7, "is reaching out to her colleagues in the New York delegation and asking for their advice and counsel and their support if she decides to make a run," a top adviser, Howard Wolfson, told The Associated Press yesterday.
Good piece in WA Post today:
"Clinton advisers also recognize that they must move swiftly to recruit new staff members, in part because of competition from other candidates for operatives to manage key states, to fill communications assignments and to provide the support and assistance necessary to manage an enterprise the size of a presidential campaign. This "talent primary" is seen by her advisers as critically important to her success."
"Jerry Crawford, a prominent Iowa Democrat and Vilsack supporter, said yesterday that he and Clinton traded voice-mail messages during the past two days. He said that she and her staff have been "very respectful" toward Vilsack and his candidacy. But he added: "It's clear she's looking to come to Iowa, and it seems clear she's giving serious consideration competing in Iowa."
about Hilree
She knows the demographics are against her in any future bid beyond next election---after the 2010 Census she would have the additional hurdle of having to win another red/border and a Southern state as population shifts increase electoral college votes those areas.
She will definitely need a Southerner to balance the ticket in any run.
Yeah, most of the "progressives" of the left regard Hillary as a Republican-in-disguise.
Howard Zinn sez he supports Marian Wright Edelman as the female Democratic candidate for president!
[..]Clinton, who easily won re-election to a second term on Nov. 7, "is reaching out to her colleagues in the New York delegation and asking for their advice and counsel and their support if she decides to make a run," a top adviser, Howard Wolfson, told The Associated Press yesterday.
Good piece in WA Post today:
"Clinton advisers also recognize that they must move swiftly to recruit new staff members, in part because of competition from other candidates for operatives to manage key states, to fill communications assignments and to provide the support and assistance necessary to manage an enterprise the size of a presidential campaign. This "talent primary" is seen by her advisers as critically important to her success."
"Jerry Crawford, a prominent Iowa Democrat and Vilsack supporter, said yesterday that he and Clinton traded voice-mail messages during the past two days. He said that she and her staff have been "very respectful" toward Vilsack and his candidacy. But he added: "It's clear she's looking to come to Iowa, and it seems clear she's giving serious consideration competing in Iowa."
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the 1st wtc bombing happened on clinton`s watch,then?.....right spongy?
"would any of this happen if Bush Sr didn't trick Saddam into going into Kuwat the first time or our one sided policy towards Israel in which the Palestine people suffer?"
you think this all goes away if israel gets wiped off the map?...because,that`s their policy....that`s their game...that`s the only ending that will appease them...you don`t have to believe me...read the hamas charter... listen to ahmadinnerjacket`s speeches....
all of carter`s hand wringing....sadat trying to end the palestinian problem....
what did that get us?....how did carter`s pro-middle eastern stance help him?...it got him a sharp stick in the eye after he stabbed the shah in the back.....and was the beginning of the iran that we know today....
and it got sadat assassinated....
your answer?..abandon our friends...abandon fellow democracies....to the people that want to kill us?....
rubber stamp the genocide of 7 million people?...
""To say you would vote for him again makes me just want to get away from the stupidity of this country. Why should i have to suffer from idiotic decisions from people like you?""
on this we agree...i here costa rica`s nice this time of the year...
