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Oil Cheats
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December 18, 2006

Tyson Slocum is the director of* Public Citizen?s Energy Program .

Big Oil?s lobbying representative in Washington, D.C.?the American Petroleum Institute, whose annual budget exceeds $112 million?recently said that they ?will spend what?s necessary? to reform the industry?s battered public image. So they?ve hired the same PR firm that developed the ?Got Milk?? campaign.

One of the reasons the oil industry can afford its new public relations spending spree is the fleecing it?s pulled on the American taxpayer with the active help of the Bush administration. A recent Inspector General audit*of the U.S. Department of the Interior?s Minerals Management Service concludes that oil companies are pumping oil from federal land*without paying adequate royalties to taxpayers*for the privilege. The report cites widespread cronyism, ethical breaches, decimated auditing staff and overreliance on information provided by Big Oil as culprits in the oil industry giveaway. Meanwhile the Justice Department unexpectedly announced the welcome news that it has*initiated criminal investigations *into the Interior Department's oversight of oil companies.

The United States is the world?s third largest oil producer?extracting more oil every day than Iran, Kuwait and Qatar combined?and one-third of that American-made oil is tapped on federal land. With oil prices above $60 per barrel, we?re talking about billions of dollars worth of oil that companies like ExxonMobil are removing from public property without paying the government fair compensation. No wonder the big five oil companies?Exxon, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhillips, BP and Shell?have posted $93 billion in profits in just the first nine months of this year.

The investigation found that the Bush administration relies heavily upon data supplied by the oil industry?which the government then fails to independently verify?in order to calculate the value of royalties owed. Since George W. Bush has been president, the number of auditors on staff has been cut nearly 16 percent, leaving fewer watchdogs to examine claims made by oil companies. As a result, the agency relies less on auditors and more on a widely ridiculed computer program to conduct the examination.

This explains why a chunk of the paltry revenues generated by the royalty-counting agency isn?t coming from audits, but from lawsuits filed by disgruntled government inspectors under the Federal Civil False Claims Act. This statute allows private citizens?in this case, government employees handcuffed by their politically appointed bosses from doing their jobs?to recover royalty underpayments from the oil companies through the courts. In 2006, one out of every five dollars collected through audits or compliance review were the result of employee-initiated litigation and not through official government initiative. Department of Interior employees have to go around their politically appointed bosses in order to force oil companies to pay their fair share of royalties to taxpayers.

So how did the Bush administration deal with these criticisms? It appointed David T. Deal head of a new advisory panel to review complaints about the royalty program. And Mr. Deal?s qualifications? From 1975 to 2003, he served as General Counsel to the American Petroleum Institute. We?d call that putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

This type of cronyism unfortunately has been a habit under Bush?s watch. J. Steven Griles was Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department from July 2001 until he resigned in December 2004 under the swirl of allegations that he inappropriately did favors for disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff. So what better job for an Abramoff associate than to become a lobbyist. Upon leaving the government, Griles became a partner in the Republican firm Lundquist, Nethercutt & Griles, where he counts the American Petroleum Institute among his clients.

Interior?s Inspector General, Earl E. Devaney, told the House of Representatives in September:

I have watched a number of high-level Interior officials leave the Department under the cloud of [Inspector General] investigations into bad judgment and misconduct. Absent criminal charges, however, they are sent off in usual fashion, with a party paying tribute to their good service; wishing them well, to spend more time with their family or seek new opportunities in the private sector. This charade does not go unnoticed by the career public servants, many of whom have been witnesses in our investigations. What are these civil servants to think? If those at the top are not held accountable, why should those at lower levels not feel empowered to challenge the call for accountability?

The new congressional leadership taking over in January has an opportunity to fix the culture of corruption that has left oil companies free to drill on the public?s land without giving the American public fair compensation.

But the old guard couldn?t resist a last giveaway to Big Oil. On December 8, the eve of the end of the so-called lame duck session littered with 47 fired and retired lawmakers, the House of Representatives voted 207 to 205 to reject an amendment that would have corrected a separate, looming oil royalty fiasco. A decade ago, the Department of Interior offered big royalty breaks on some new oil and natural gas leases. But the government forgot to put a ?ceiling? on the contracts that would have limited or revoked the royalty break if oil climbed to a sufficiently high price. At the time that the contracts were negotiated, a barrel of oil was in the $15 range. Now that it?s over $60 and the companies are ready to pump out the oil, they stand to gain record profits while the American taxpayer stands to lose $10 billion over the life of these leases.

The failed amendment would have required oil companies receiving this billion-dollar break to renegotiate their sweetheart deals in order to win new leases. Recently fired or retired lawmakers cast the deciding votes that defeated the recovery proposal, which was contained in an amendment to H.R. 6111. A net of*17 lame-duck lawmakers voted to continue allowing oil companies to enjoy their multibillion-dollar royalty break.

Nancy Pelosi has already said that holding oil companies accountable will be a centerpiece of her first 100 days as Speaker. At a time when our federal budget, our environment and our pocketbooks need it most, let?s hope the new management will finally end Big Oil?s free ride.
 

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Gas prices here are up over 30 cents a gallon since election day. The only difference is a warmer than expected winter. The threats of OPEC cutting supply has been around since the prices started to drop a few weeks before the election.
 

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Got a News Years resolution for you Stevie--

Instead of visiting those liberal blogs and whining in unison about all the bad beats life has bestowed apon you--spend your time productively and visit the stock forum here or elsewhere and take responsiblity for your plight--

Posted 3 years ago--
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Finally bought the china oil stock PTR I spoke about in initial speculation thread that Warren Buffet holds large stake in.
Bought PTR @ 39.79 pays 5% div
Was a bit of bad timing as it was up $2.71 yesterday,wish I had bought it day earlier but did not sell SBC till yesterday.
PTR just bought $39.79
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todays price--
PETROCHINA CO ADS (NYSE:pTR) Delayed quote data

Last Trade: 132.49
Trade Time: 4:00PM ET
Change: 0.13 (0.10%)
Prev Close: 132.62
Open: 131.19
Bid: N/A
Ask: N/A
1y Target Est: 116.82

Day's Range: 130.50 - 132.49
52wk Range: 80.11 - 134.50
Volume: 395,300
Avg Vol (3m): 491,417
Market Cap: 237.18B
P/E (ttm): 12.04
EPS (ttm): 11.00
Div & Yield: 5.08 (3.80%)

Would have bought you a lot of gas--plus a SUV to put it in--
:tongue

P.S. I opted for China anticipating liberals assault on oil stocks here if ever in control--funny thing is oil stocks in other countries have been making as much if not more profit than U.S. companies--guess GW and Cheney are controling them also--ya think or could it be that when oilis high so are oil company profits everywhere ;)
 
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that's wonderful dogs, because you can make a couple dollars off it , that justifies Bush s criminal cronyism? Just because you personally profit makes it ok, for big oil to screw the American public while Bush let's them. That's what I love about the 0h so moral right.

And congratulations on supporting red communism, very very American:nono:
 

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that's wonderful dogs, because you can make a couple dollars off it , that justifies Bush s criminal cronyism? Just because you personally profit makes it ok, for big oil to screw the American public while Bush let's them. That's what I love about the 0h so moral right.

And congratulations on supporting red communism, very very American:nono:

I have said this before about our good buddy dog. As long as he can make a profit why should he care if kids die, families are broken hearted, the country in general getting screwed with these extortion gas prices, or any other reason. As long as dog makes money he doesn't have a care in the world. Its the rightwing way. The sad part is that over 50 percent of the nitwits in this country don't have a clue on how they are getting it right up the ass. They voted for these pigs and these pigs got the Supreme Court they want to do dangerous things in the future. But its Olbermans fault, or its Al frankens fault ,maybe even air america.
 

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Chadman could you kindly see if this is reported on Fox News. I saw another guy on the other day saying the same thing about inspecting meat. said the guy in charge now is another fraud who has lowered the levels on what we can eat. Its the same all the way around with this administration.
 

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I do play the stocks Dogs. The gas price doesn't affect me that much as I take public transportation to work. Although they hit us with a 25% increase in that. Since you follow the stocks you might have noticed the inflation figures were a little higher than expected today. Funny, they blame it on the cost of energy. Oh well. Maybe those guys should take responsibilty for themselves too.
I actually owned Halliburten:scared for a couple of years but sold it the day the first bomb in Iraq fell. Stupid move but that's just me. Some things are more important than money. At the moment I am in Casino Stocks and I have a couple of pennies I am hoping for big things lol.
By the way, not looking for a pat on the back for selling Halliburten I even stopped going to Dunkin Donuts and bought myself a thermos when I heard that Dunkin' Donuts was owned by the Carlye Group.
Do you own stock in any of those Chinese Companies making EVD's and do you know what codec's they will be using?
Glad to hear you are doing good in Chinese Stocks.
 

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I'm impressed Steve--seriously- and retract my comment.
On EVD's had to look it up to know what it is :)
I don't do much with tech stocks--They and communication stocks have been my achilles heel.
Look more in tangible stocks now.Have had good run on China stocks and U.S. stocks doing business in China like DJV's company ASD. Have been looking for environmental stock there for long time --to clean up their filthy rivers and water supply. Would be a can't miss in my view--howevergov agencies handle most "very ineffectively" for now.

Shamrock I would equate your statement as similiar to not betting against your home state team. I look for profit not stocks that are emotional favs.Learned that lesson the hard way. In past downside of owning foreign stocks was their lack of scrutinized reporting of profits--that has changed to large degree--the upside is their cost of labor--minimal if any, litigation costs--and believe it or not there are countries that look favorably on companies that make profits rather than whine they must be fcking somebody to do it.
I chose China because I travel there bi-yearly and can make personal observations.
Example: China has very primative toilets--generally a trough or porcelain hole in floor--only hotels and most american restaurants have or american style commodes.Every place that had them ,they were made by same U.S. company--American Standard. Found out they have excusive cintract and factories in China. Was fortunate to get more inside info from DJV who retired from there.Botton line bought it @ $83 --split 3 for 1 and is now $45 plus has paid dividend entire time.

If you wish to check all stocks related to China I have kept yearly tabs since starting in 2003--will be updating progress at end of this month.
http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?t=110602
 
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Wayne, can I get a quick take on your overall assessment of the Chinese economy? I have read there are troubling warning signs there due to many factors - mainly the incredible growth there and not having the resources to sustain or increase it. Very fringe thoughts for me...I have been sitting on some stocks and waiting for them to hit over the past year, and I might be moving away from one or two early next year.
 

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My guess is no better than anyone elses Chad and one never knows when something like what happen in Taiwan 2 days ago will surface--butI look for it to keep cooking for a while for 3 main reasons--they willl not budge much on there currancy value of yuan or RMB whichever you prefer--their huge trade surplus due to cheap labor--and they hold lots of u.s. notes and we can get to demanding for fear of consequences.

My fear has always been their shady accounting practices on stock valuations--but has been crack down on that in past few years. I certainly don't think it is a can't miss market.
Still lots of hyped bogus stocks. I try to find those with ties to good companies. Also like to look at propesctus of good Asia mutual funds and look at their holdings and try an find some home runs in their lesser known holdings as they are pretty savvy against non functional touted companies.

-I have one china mutual fund-Matthews Tiger Pacific Fund (MAPTX) which is closed to investors now but they recently started new fund Matthews Asia Pacific Equity(MAPIX) a few months ago and plan to open account for wife.

However all results from Asia funds have been pretty good due to past years growth so hard judge them.

One thing I find fascinating is their penny stocks are much diff than ours here which are mostly speculative.

There are many established companies that tradeunder a $1.

Have one that would be day traders dream if not for fact that always bout 6 cents difference on bid and ask. Have automotive stock (DENMF)with ties to Honda that continuely fluxuates fronm 30 to 40 cents a share and pays div.

Sorry for getting carried away but their market facinates me. If you are interested I will add some research links for you tomorrow. The english version of China Business Daily and others.
 
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dogs, you say labor is cheaper, isn't the reality labor in these communist countries is abusive, in humane and trade much slave labor?

I did a 200 page thesis in college, on the DIVISION OF LABOR in the shoe industry. Basically how MA which used to be huge in shoe production for the entire country, lost jobs by the thousands to Vietnam Korea China etc. due to the cheap labor. I was able to see through Reebok, new balance, rockport and other shoe companies exactly what goes on overseas in production. It's slave labor, hundreds of people dying from exposure to toxic chemicals in glue, terrible working conditions, child labor and all other shit.

I would hardly compare supporting slave labor to a neighboring state football team.

Hey its legal, so make the dollars, maybe I'm old fashion, its not for me profiting off others.
 

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Shamrock I've never seen anything that would resemble slave labor unless you went by wages. As far as children all attend school--the better your grades the less the cost of college--from free to very expensive by their standards.
Don't know of anywhere that children are forced into work--however due to all year school sessions it is not uncommon to finish their equivilant of high school at 15 years of age and many go to work then. They have no welfare so they tend to be very family oriented and not uncommon for families to support grand parents who can not work.

Wages are very low but so is cost of living.My wife when in china--worked as buyer/seller for markets. You have huge outside markets that are supplied by main markets and she sold to outside markets.
Would be a 5 on scale of 1 to 10 on pay scale in her community. She made about $125 in our money--however she had apartment by herself which cost $35 a month. Apartment had one large room and very small kitchen and bath. Primitive by our standards as no refrigeration (they buy food fresh from market each day) and cooked on single burner but ave for there.
You could eat well on $1 a day.

So if there was slave labor I did not see it--however working conditions are hot and by our standards might be considered tough but it is common to them.
 

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Wayne, I would be very interested in the links and reference material. I am headed to the in-laws for the Holiday and if I have some financial stuff to peruse it helps pass the time...lol. Thanks for taking the time, in advance.
 

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The good thing about Mr. Bush and his heartless scumbag vice pres. is that they will leave such a bad taste that NOVEMBER 2008 will be a thorough cleansing of Republican Kocksuckers.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF GIVING OUR PORTS TO THE SCUMBAG ARABS don't even bother to vote in 2008. The Republicans are gonna be wiped out.

LANDSLIDE :scared
 

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Dogs, I was injured after completing my junior year in college, I was fortunate enough that the school allowed me to finish correspondence style in my home after getting out of hospital. Graduation required this thesis, I was very fortunate the guy in the condo next to me was a vp at Reebok International which is headquartered in Canton MA. This dude had been all over Asia setting up Reebok factories because production costs were so low. I know for a fact Korea Vietnam China Malaysia Singapore many many other countries. This guy not only help get these factories off the ground and running, but was continually going to Asia to do inspections etc. different countries had different laws and some were definitely better than others, as to which I don't exactly remember, this was in the mid 80s. Some were definitely equivalent slave labor, as I said previously many people died from improper ventilation while using chemicals and epoxy to color & glue sneakers. These buildings had no ventilation or air conditioning and the conditions and hours worked were horrendous I saw the documents myself of people dying for various reasons at these sweat shops. As I said, some countries were better than others, but none were good by any stretch.

Now you say you have been to China, I haven't, maybe things have changed in 20 years. You say kids don't work today, kids were definitely working then, I believe they started 13 or 14 in some countries. This guy still works for Reebok, although we both have moved, I rarely ever see him, but will ask if I do. He is one of the top guys in Reebok under Fireman. He and his wife & kids actually lived in Indonesia for 5 or 6 years., so what I am telling you isn't just stories, this guy set up the Asian factories for Reebok and is still involved today.
as I said, its legal, you have been there, and those are your affairs. I was out of line with my comment, that's your decision, from what I saw, it wouldn't be for me, but that has nothing to 2 with you. I apologize for the congratulations remark. Happy holidays to you and the people you care for.

Shamrock
 

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Dogs, I was injured after completing my junior year in college, I was fortunate enough that the school allowed me to finish correspondence style in my home after getting out of hospital. Graduation required this thesis, I was very fortunate the guy in the condo next to me was a vp at Reebok International which is headquartered in Canton MA. This dude had been all over Asia setting up Reebok factories because production costs were so low. I know for a fact Korea Vietnam China Malaysia Singapore many many other countries. This guy not only help get these factories off the ground and running, but was continually going to Asia to do inspections etc. different countries had different laws and some were definitely better than others, as to which I don't exactly remember, this was in the mid 80s. Some were definitely equivalent slave labor, as I said previously many people died from improper ventilation while using chemicals and epoxy to color & glue sneakers. These buildings had no ventilation or air conditioning and the conditions and hours worked were horrendous I saw the documents myself of people dying for various reasons at these sweat shops. As I said, some countries were better than others, but none were good by any stretch.

Now you say you have been to China, I haven't, maybe things have changed in 20 years. You say kids don't work today, kids were definitely working then, I believe they started 13 or 14 in some countries. This guy still works for Reebok, although we both have moved, I rarely ever see him, but will ask if I do. He is one of the top guys in Reebok under Fireman. He and his wife & kids actually lived in Indonesia for 5 or 6 years., so what I am telling you isn't just stories, this guy set up the Asian factories for Reebok and is still involved today.
as I said, its legal, you have been there, and those are your affairs. I was out of line with my comment, that's your decision, from what I saw, it wouldn't be for me, but that has nothing to 2 with you. I apologize for the congratulations remark. Happy holidays to you and the people you care for.

Shamrock

Sham if it wasn't for liberals we would be dying also. This is just dispicable. But hey its life for some of these greedy bastards. I need to learn how to be like one of these asshole. Just no conscience and enjoy making money off of other peoples miseries. I wonder if the right wingers have a school for this? I use to always buy New Balance when they made their sneakers here but i guess the greed got to be to much for them also.
 

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Shamrock--I would say your friend would have much more insight than I on factory conditions and would say he would be correct--working conditions 20 year laters have probably changed somewhat but are still very poor by most standards. My reference was mostly in regard to slave labor--ie children or others being forced to work in those conditions.

Chad These should last you through holidays--

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/
http://www.chinasite.com/Business/PublicCompany.html#China
http://www.china-asiastocks.com/Companies/China-AsiaStocks/Stocks_List.asp
http://www.usxchinaindex.com/
http://www.irasia.com/listco/list/hk/adr.htm
http://www.china-asiastocks.com/Research/Industries/AsianInvestment.asp
 
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Had some interesting news on a holding this morning Chad--TSINGTAO BREWERY which is partially owned by Anheiser Busch (30%) had almost 20% increase overnight--haven't been able to find out why yet???
http://www.profitspi.com/stock-quote/tsgty.aspx

TSGTY - TSINGTAO BREWERY LTD (OTC) 12/20/2006
Last 16.75 Open 16.75 Volume 38,386
Change 2.75 19.64%
High 17.25 Last Volume N/A
Bid N/A Low 16.75 Up Volume [?] 0
Ask N/A VWAP N/A Neutral Volume [?] 0
Previous Close 14.00 Trades 0 Down Volume [?]
 

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Hope I'm not a commie. I have to admit did ok myself with PTR. Thanks to a good tip received here. I won't tell on who. But that's what America is about capitalism. Must say been on Hal for about 5 years. Heck there comes a time when the info is there. Or given to you. If you can risk a little go for it. It's always fun to make profit's. That last company DTB you mention. Will you be following up in the mover/shaker area?
 

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Dogs, I was injured after completing my junior year in college, I was fortunate enough that the school allowed me to finish correspondence style in my home after getting out of hospital. Graduation required this thesis, I was very fortunate the guy in the condo next to me was a vp at Reebok International which is headquartered in Canton MA. This dude had been all over Asia setting up Reebok factories because production costs were so low. I know for a fact Korea Vietnam China Malaysia Singapore many many other countries. This guy not only help get these factories off the ground and running, but was continually going to Asia to do inspections etc. different countries had different laws and some were definitely better than others, as to which I don't exactly remember, this was in the mid 80s. Some were definitely equivalent slave labor, as I said previously many people died from improper ventilation while using chemicals and epoxy to color & glue sneakers. These buildings had no ventilation or air conditioning and the conditions and hours worked were horrendous I saw the documents myself of people dying for various reasons at these sweat shops. As I said, some countries were better than others, but none were good by any stretch.

Now you say you have been to China, I haven't, maybe things have changed in 20 years. You say kids don't work today, kids were definitely working then, I believe they started 13 or 14 in some countries. This guy still works for Reebok, although we both have moved, I rarely ever see him, but will ask if I do. He is one of the top guys in Reebok under Fireman. He and his wife & kids actually lived in Indonesia for 5 or 6 years., so what I am telling you isn't just stories, this guy set up the Asian factories for Reebok and is still involved today.
as I said, its legal, you have been there, and those are your affairs. I was out of line with my comment, that's your decision, from what I saw, it wouldn't be for me, but that has nothing to 2 with you. I apologize for the congratulations remark. Happy holidays to you and the people you care for.

Shamrock


Recommended reading......."Confessions of an Economic Hitman"....by John Perkins

Sums up exactly what you are saying. And alot more.
 
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