Jamarcus Russell vs. Brady Quinn

[DeadPrez]

Why would Russell stay? I think the only reason he would stay is if he wanted to win a national championship. He proved last night that he deserves to be the top quarterback drafted into the NFL over Brady Quinn.

Brady Quinn lit it up this year against defenses that don't even come close to what Russelll saw all year. In the three losses that ND suffered Quinn was terrible. 3 interceptions against Michigan, under 50% completions against USC, and last night speaks for itself. That has just got to reflect poorly on his NFL prospects IMO.

The first interception Quinn threw last nite was clearly a lack of respect for the speed of LSU. That pass may have been completed against Army or Navy but certainly not LSU or any other quality defense.

I also think that LSU will be in the national championship hunt regardless of Russell staying or going. Flynn and Perilloux (sp?) are plenty worthy quarterbacks and in the influx of talent @ LSU every year is very good.

But back to Russell vs. Quinn in regards to the NFL. Russell is bigger, stronger, younger, more experienced against quality defenses, and probably has a bigger upside than Quinn. It seems like Quinn is close to maximizing his potential.

Who has Brady Quinn beaten in college? He beat a down Michigan team last year and that's pretty much it as far as I can remember right now.

ND came AWFULLY CLOSE to losing to both Michigan State and UCLA this year. ND averaged close to 32 ppg and only mustered 14 against LSU, 21 against Michigan, 20 against UCLA, and 24 vs. USC. It isn't that impressive to be dropping 40+ points vs poor competition if you can't do shit when it counts.

If I had a choice of those two on the next level, I would take Jamarcus Russell all day and not lose any sleep over it. But that...is just like...my opinion man :shade: :shade:

 

[Got5onIt]

I agree with you DP.

 

[Toledo Prophet]

I would have to agree as well. I have been at a loss about all the Quinn hype and why all the so-called experts have him atop their draft charts. It is one thing to overrate a ND QB for the purposes of the Heisman, but drafting future pro players carries higher stakes and the automatic ascension of anything ND related is a bit ridiiculous in my mind. I know this is a Russel-Quinn discussion, but i would rather have Troy Smith (i know he lacks height and, no, despite my toledo home town i am not a buckeye fan) than Quinn--although not over Russell so much--becasue at least he has not crapped the bed in all his big games like quinn. Shoot, in that regard he is the anti-quinn.

But, since we are talking about Quinn, i would offer these quotes as more discussion fodder:

Mike Lupica on a sports reporter show back in the early portion of the season claimed the only reason he had to watch college football this year was to watch Brady Quinn in action....apparently there were no other story lines to cover!

And last night....how about the statement the announcers passed on from coach weis, who said that in a couple of years that Brady Quinn would be the third best QB in the NFL, behind i presume Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

Both statements are questionable, although i dont indict weis as much because on some level his job requires that he promotes his players.....the Lupica comment was pure media bias/laziness.

Good thread, i hope it produces some good, quality debate! Thanks!

 

[samayam]

No doubt. I take Russell first. Who heard the announcers talking about throwing it 40 yards from his ass? He can throw it further than Brady from his ASS. hahahaha. Gimme Russell anyday.

 

[Cie]

It took Jamarcus 2 seasons to learn the offense at LSU. By all accounts, and I am close friends w/ a member of Saban's staff at LSU, Matt Flynn learned it in no time. Maybe he is a little slow upstairs??

I still think he is a stud, but thought I would throw this out there.

 

[tulah]

Why would Russell stay? I think the only reason he would stay is if he wanted to win a national championship. He proved last night that he deserves to be the top quarterback drafted into the NFL over Brady Quinn.

Brady Quinn lit it up this year against defenses that don't even come close to what Russelll saw all year. In the three losses that ND suffered Quinn was terrible. 3 interceptions against Michigan, under 50% completions against USC, and last night speaks for itself. That has just got to reflect poorly on his NFL prospects IMO.

The first interception Quinn threw last nite was clearly a lack of respect for the speed of LSU. That pass may have been completed against Army or Navy but certainly not LSU or any other quality defense.

I also think that LSU will be in the national championship hunt regardless of Russell staying or going. Flynn and Perilloux (sp?) are plenty worthy quarterbacks and in the influx of talent @ LSU every year is very good.

But back to Russell vs. Quinn in regards to the NFL. Russell is bigger, stronger, younger, more experienced against quality defenses, and probably has a bigger upside than Quinn. It seems like Quinn is close to maximizing his potential.

Who has Brady Quinn beaten in college? He beat a down Michigan team last year and that's pretty much it as far as I can remember right now.

ND came AWFULLY CLOSE to losing to both Michigan State and UCLA this year. ND averaged close to 32 ppg and only mustered 14 against LSU, 21 against Michigan, 20 against UCLA, and 24 vs. USC. It isn't that impressive to be dropping 40+ points vs poor competition if you can't do shit when it counts.

If I had a choice of those two on the next level, I would take Jamarcus Russell all day and not lose any sleep over it. But that...is just like...my opinion man :shade: :shade:

IMO stats mean nothing to some teams.
If you looked @ J.Cutler's stats LY the guy was a loser. He went in the 1st Rd.

B.Quinn has the advantage over J.Russell.
the reason is Charlie Weiss . He has molded him the past 2 seasons .That will pay off for Quinn big time come April. What team wouldn't draft
Weiss' QB . IMO if B.Quinn had a terrible season he would still be the 1st QB taken in the
07 NFL Draft.

I like Russell but the guy is too BIG.
If he dropped like 25lb's maybe .
The kid has a rocket arm

 

[DeadPrez]

IMO stats mean nothing to some teams.
If you looked @ J.Cutler's stats LY the guy was a loser. He went in the 1st Rd.

B.Quinn has the advantage over J.Russell.
the reason is Charlie Weiss . He has molded him the past 2 seasons .That will pay off for Quinn big time come April. What team wouldn't draft
Weiss' QB . IMO if B.Quinn had a terrible season he would still be the 1st QB taken in the
07 NFL Draft.

I like Russell but the guy is too BIG.
If he dropped like 25lb's maybe .
The kid has a rocket arm

I don't disagree with all that you say, but I don't think that if Quinn had a terrible season he would be drafted as the #1 QB...

Also, what has Weis molded Quinn into exactly? Everytime the kid faces a tough defense he crumbles. NFL defenses will be twice as fast and twice as strong and 5X more experienced then LSU, Mich., and USC.

Also Cutler was the 3rd QB chosen last year and didn't prove shit to me this year in the NFL. I think if BQ was @ Vandy he wouldn't be as highly regarded as he is. Of course Quinn will be drafted in the 1st round, but is he really worthy of being the 1st QB taken is the question.

I think a lot of the hype on Quinn is because of Weis, and I think that they are BOTH overrated...very overrated. What have either of them done in the last 2 years of substance? What, they ALMOST beat USC and they beat a down Michigan team last year. Big deal, Michigan sucked LY.

I think that NFL scouts will see right through the "Charlie Weis effect" that so many people adhere to and choose which QB is better suited to the NFL game. The mold of the NFL QB is changing and big strong guys w/ big arms seem to be the commodity these days. Look @ Vince Young's success compared to Leinart and Cutler. VY is bigger and stronger and brings other intangables to the table because of his stature. Russell and VY are similarly built. They are both a bitch to tackle and they are like 6'6." VY is more elusive though, but I think the comparison still rings true.

 

[DeadPrez]

Also to add, Cutler had success against top-flight SEC defenses with less talent around him while Quinn struggles everytime he faces a quality defense with this supposed offensive genius coaching him.

He struggled against Ohio State last year, USC, LSU, and Michigan this year, and even last year when they beat Michigan they only scored 17 points.

 

[The Sponge]

Also to add, Cutler had success against top-flight SEC defenses with less talent around him while Quinn struggles everytime he faces a quality defense with this supposed offensive genius coaching him.

He struggled against Ohio State last year, USC, LSU, and Michigan this year, and even last year when they beat Michigan they only scored 17 points.

Prez how about we put Quinn on LSU and let Demarcus throw to N Dames one above average receiver and three that stink along with an average offensive line. You think Quinn would have had a better year? How about Demarcus. Would Demarcus have carried ND further than Quinn with a bunch of bad receivers?)Then again maybe the coaches think Quinn is so great because they watch him in practice throw against his brutal secondary.

 

[DeadPrez]

Russell signed an agent so I guess we will get to see what the pro scouts think afterall :shrug: :SIB

 

[owtkast3]

I don't disagree with all that you say, but I don't think that if Quinn had a terrible season he would be drafted as the #1 QB...

Also, what has Weis molded Quinn into exactly? Everytime the kid faces a tough defense he crumbles. NFL defenses will be twice as fast and twice as strong and 5X more experienced then LSU, Mich., and USC.

Also Cutler was the 3rd QB chosen last year and didn't prove shit to me this year in the NFL. I think if BQ was @ Vandy he wouldn't be as highly regarded as he is. Of course Quinn will be drafted in the 1st round, but is he really worthy of being the 1st QB taken is the question.

I think a lot of the hype on Quinn is because of Weis, and I think that they are BOTH overrated...very overrated. What have either of them done in the last 2 years of substance? What, they ALMOST beat USC and they beat a down Michigan team last year. Big deal, Michigan sucked LY.

I think that NFL scouts will see right through the "Charlie Weis effect" that so many people adhere to and choose which QB is better suited to the NFL game. The mold of the NFL QB is changing and big strong guys w/ big arms seem to be the commodity these days. Look @ Vince Young's success compared to Leinart and Cutler. VY is bigger and stronger and brings other intangables to the table because of his stature. Russell and VY are similarly built. They are both a bitch to tackle and they are like 6'6." VY is more elusive though, but I think the comparison still rings true.

Every time Quinn faced a tough defense he crumbled?? How many dropped passes did he have in those games. Add in the fact that ND's speed at receiver didnt quite match up with the michigan and uscs db's and you cant really blame quinn. Are you single handledly blaming quinn for losses against USC and Michigan this year?? The Usc game quinn went 22-45 274 and 3 tds and tried to keep ND in it by himself. I can recall at least 8 drops in that game, add in the fact the defense couldnt stop anyone. If you place some of the speed that USC has at skill positions you are saying quinn wouldnt win with that group and excel?? Dont give me the Samardza stuff either cuz i am a big ND fan and against USC he could not get any seperation against those DB's which is why he will be a baseball player.

Now did he play poorly wednesday? yes and no in my opinion. He had some drops in that game also and was under duress most of the time. The one thing about him is simple he is a very smart QB and understands defenses well. He can make every throw and can do it well. Where does that mean he is over rated.


How did Russel do against florida?? auburn?? even tennessee his numbers were nothing special so 2 out of 3 big games he played this year he crumbled with much better athletes around him then quinn.

 

[Fluidoz]

According to ESPN radiio "Russell is lazy with his per game prep." Talent wise Russell is better. Student of the game wise is way behind. I think you'll see Quinn go way before Russell.

 

[IntenseOperator]

JaMarcus is a phenomenol talent but has no touch. That seemed pretty obvious in the bowl game. It's gun away or nothing. That will lead to picks in the NFL when balls go off receivers hands when they turn to catch and he guns the fvker through the D. He reminds me a ton of Marino the way he flicks the ball 50 yards without even stepping into it.

My gf thinks Quinn has feminine features:shrug:

 

[vivalas]

Just curious, what was russell's stats against some of the good defenses he faced this year. I was surprised that the 330+ he threw against ND was a career high. Actually as bad as ND's defense was I wasn't ooverly impressed by russell. He had guys completely wide open all night and still threw 14 incompletions with a pick.

 

[stwoody]

Jamarcus reminds a bit of Dante Culpepper. Not sure how effective he will be in the Pro game.....any idea what his 40 time is? He has a hell of an arm though and he appear very strong. Quinn is a great QB also, his O-Line was horrid and he spent most of the time running for his life.

 

[DeadPrez]

Peter King said at halftime of the first NFL game today that the Raiders are probably going to take Russell. How accurate that ends up being remains to be seen...:shrug:

 

[mode the lode]

BRADY QUINN, GOT ALL THE TOOLS.