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Here is the first vid coming from a leaked cell phone video. Very shaky and not that great but you can see what happens.

I think the guy was not supposed to be filming because it seems hes gets rushed at the end of it.

I am sure there will be more of them coming soon.

Jack or IE feel free to move to Political forum or delete if need be.

Sorry for putting it in wrong forum guys!

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its amazing you could find that so quick an be able to post it.

The internet is a powerful medium


I enjoyed watching Saddam die in such a wretched way. I felt no sympathy, remorse , or pity for him. whatsoever. That should have happened when he first peeked out of the rat hole they found him in. Bang.

But instead we got to do the PC things over and over. Its no wonder we are in this stupid mess.


Its a history lesson.
 
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That should have happened when he first peeked out of the rat hole they found him in. Bang.

But instead we got to do the PC things over and over. Its no wonder we are in this stupid mess.


Its a history lesson.
Uh, they had trials for war criminals even for WW2. Not really sure what was especially "PC" about this. Seems like it was done pretty much the way it had to be done. We were, afterall, setting an example of how a sophisticated society has due process. Yes? No?

What difference does it even make? Saddam killed his people, we kill his people. Americans only hate Saddam enough to kill him because we were told to hate him. It's not as if he ever did anything to me - you know. He sucked ass and 'deserved' to die - but then again so do many people. I had no feelings to him on a personal level one way or another. No satisfaction at all in his death. It seems pretty pointless in the big picture.
 
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David Pryce-Jones (attended Eichmann's trial in 1962):

...With Eichmann in front of me, I questioned the death penalty. To take a person?s life, even after due process and a fair trial, is a fearful deed, seeming to overpower taboo and the instinct to respect one?s fellow men. A day came when his appeal was heard. I was in court. The judge was quoting this and that precedent in international law, and suddenly, without ceremony or pause, he rejected the appeal. Eichmann was escorted away. Everyone else gathered in the small square outside the court, all of us silent, a few in tears. After quite a short time, the news came through, again without ceremony, that he had been hanged. To my surprise, the sun immediately seemed brighter, the sky more blue, the earth cleaner, and I realized that I do not in fact question the death penalty for mass murder.


These responses resurfaced this morning with a surge of emotion at the news that Saddam Hussein has gone to the gallows as once Eichmann had. In the course of his trial, he too had condemned himself with every word he spoke, equally oblivious to the enormity of his crimes, as though mass murder answered to his job description. Anyone who holds that such men really are banal, and shouldn?t pay with their lives for the evil they do, must further explain how justice is to be done to the victims.



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Kurdish American Najmaldin Karim:

My personal battle with Saddam Hussein ? which began in 1972 when I abandoned my medical career in Mosul, Iraq, and joined the Kurdish armed resistance ? is at an end. To execute such a criminal, a man who reveled in his atrocities, is an act of justice.

The only issue for me is the timing ? executing him now is both too late and too early. Too late, because had Saddam Hussein been removed from the scene many years ago, many lives would have been saved.

Killing Saddam now, however, for ordering the massacre at Dujail in 1982, means that he will not face justice for his greatest crimes: the so-called Anfal campaign against the Kurds in the late 1980s, the genocidal assault on the Marsh Arabs in the 1990s, and the slaughtering of the Shiite Arabs and Kurds who rose up against him, with American encouragement, in 1991. ?

[W]e have not had full justice. Saddam Hussein did not confront the full horror of his crimes. Building on previous initiatives by Arab nationalist governments to persecute the Kurds, he turned ethnic engineering and murder into an industry in the 1970s. Hundreds of thousands were evicted from their homes and murdered. Swaths of Kurdish countryside were emptied of their population, men, women and children taken to shallow graves and shot. ?

During the 1980s, entire towns, including Qala Diza in Iraqi Kurdistan and Qasr-i-Shirin in neighboring Iranian Kurdistan, were destroyed. To ensure that survivors would never return to their homes, the mountains were laced with land mines. The widows and children were detained in settlements lacking fresh water and sewage disposal; these were called ?mujammat? in Arabic, which translates, with all the dreadful implications, as ?concentration areas.? ?

Kurds aren?t the only ones who will be cheated out of full reckoning. In 1991, as we all know, the retreating Iraqi army massacred Shiite Arabs as well as Kurds who had heeded President George H. W. Bush?s call to overthrow the Baathist regime. According to the 2004 report of the Iraq Survey Group, the dictator used chemical weapons against Shiite Arab civilians in 1991. ?

For all the mistakes that the United States has made in Iraq ? and I feel the betrayal of 1975 was the worst ? I am a proud (naturalized) American because this country brought the murderous despot to trial. Still, it is a great shame that he will not be held accountable for all of his crimes, and a far greater tragedy that he was allowed, sometimes with American complicity, to commit them in the first place.
 

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I don't doubt the satisfaction that a Kurd would feel over the removal and death of Saddam. For obvious reasons, I don't share that glee nor can I pretend to. All I know is we've lost 3,000 Americans since taking Iraq. Although Saddam's dead, we continue to lose Americans in Iraq. Saddam was and is nothing to me - I don't care about his fate one way or the other.

We could fill up this forum with letters and first hand accounts of victims of all kinds of bad people from around the world. Tyranny is all over place. What made this guy so special? Nothing.

One question about his horrible deeds in the 80's - why was he our friend then? Why was it OK then, but suddenly worth 3,000 of our own dead, all the money, and all the other Iraqi lives to take him out 20 years later?
 

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I don't doubt the satisfaction that a Kurd would feel over the removal and death of Saddam. For obvious reasons, I don't share that glee nor can I pretend to. All I know is we've lost 3,000 Americans since taking Iraq. Although Saddam's dead, we continue to lose Americans in Iraq. Saddam was and is nothing to me - I don't care about his fate one way or the other.

We could fill up this forum with letters and first hand accounts of victims of all kinds of bad people from around the world. Tyranny is all over place. What made this guy so special? Nothing.

One question about his horrible deeds in the 80's - why was he our friend then? Why was it OK then, but suddenly worth 3,000 of our own dead, all the money, and all the other Iraqi lives to take him out 20 years later?

Excellent from top to bottom
 

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Jan 2, 8:11 PM EST

Saddam Execution Video Draws Criticism

By ANITA CHANG
Associated Press Writer


Grainy cell phone video of Saddam Hussein's execution triggered international criticism Tuesday, with Britain's deputy prime minister calling the leaked images "unacceptable" and the Vatican decrying the footage as a "spectacle" violating human rights.

Meanwhile, the Italian government pushed for a U.N. moratorium on the death penalty, Cuba called the execution "an illegal act," and Sunnis in Iraq took to the streets in mainly peaceful demonstrations across the country.

The unofficial video showed a scene that stopped just short of pandemonium, during which one person is heard shouting "To hell!" at the deposed president and Saddam is heard exchanging insults with his executioners. The inflammatory footage also showed Saddam plummeting through the gallows trapdoor and dangling in death.

The grainy video appeared on the Internet and Al-Jazeera television late Saturday. On Tuesday, Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki ordered an investigation into the execution to try to uncover who taunted the former dictator, and who leaked the cell phone footage.

At the United Nations, Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon ran into trouble on his first day of work when he failed to state the U.N.'s official stance opposing capital punishment and said it should be a decision of individual countries.

"Saddam Hussein was responsible for committing heinous crimes and unspeakable atrocities against Iraqi people and we should never forget victims of his crime," Ban said in response to a reporter's question about Saddam's execution Saturday for crimes against humanity. "The issue of capital punishment is for each and every member state to decide."

His ambiguous answer put a question mark over the U.N.'s stance on the death penalty, although Ban's spokeswoman said there was no change in policy.

British Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott said those who leaked the footage should be condemned.

"I think the manner was quite deplorable really. I don't think one can endorse in any way that, whatever your views about capital punishment," Prescott said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. radio.

"Frankly, to get the kind of recorded messages coming out is totally unacceptable and I think whoever is involved and responsible for it should be ashamed of themselves."

The Holy See's daily, L'Osservatore Romano, lamented that "making a spectacle" of the execution had turned capital punishment into "an expression of political hubris."

The execution "represented, for the ways in which it happened and for the media attention it received, another example of the violation of the most basic rights of man," L'Osservatore wrote.

The office of Italian Premier Romano Prodi said Italy would seek the support of other countries that oppose capital punishment to put the issue of a moratorium to the U.N. General Assembly. Italy and all other European Union countries ban capital punishment.

Italy, which is one of the rotating members of the U.N. Security Council, has lobbied unsuccessfully for U.N. action against the death penalty.

On Monday, a crowd of Sunni mourners in Samarra marched to a bomb-damaged Shiite shrine, the Golden Dome, and were allowed by guards and police to enter the holy place carrying a mock coffin and photos of the former dictator.

The shrine was bombed by Sunni extremists 10 months ago, an attack that triggered the current cycle of retaliatory attacks between Sunnis and Shiites.

Communist Cuba, which allows capital punishment, called Saddam's execution "an illegal act in a country that has been driven toward an internal conflict in which millions of citizens have been exiled or lost their lives."

The Foreign Ministry statement Monday said the island nation "has a moral duty to express its point of view about the assassination committed by the occupying power."

The U.S. military had held Saddam since capturing him in December 2003 but turned him over to the Iraqi government for his execution.
 

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Saddam execution video leads to arrests By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
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BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraqi authorities reported the arrests Wednesday of two guards and an official who supervised Saddam Hussein's hanging and said the guard force was infiltrated by outsiders who taunted the former leader and shot the video showing his body dangling at the end of a rope.

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National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie and two other top officials variously reported one to three men were being questioned in the investigation into who heckled Saddam as he was minutes from death and took cell phone pictures of his execution.

"The investigation has already had an arrest warrant against one person and two to follow," al-Rubaie told CNN. He said the guard force at the execution was infiltrated by an Arab television station or another outsider.

The clandestine footage appeared on Al-Jazeera television and Web sites just hours after Saddam was hanged Saturday. The tumultuous scenes quickly overshadowed an official execution video, which was mute and showed none of the uproar among those on the floor of the chamber below the gallows.

The unauthorized video, which ignited protests by Saddam's fellow Sunni Arabs in various Iraqi cities, threatens to turn the ousted dictator into a martyr. Saddam was shown never bowing his head as he faced death, and asking the hecklers if they were acting in a manly way.

A U.S. military spokesman, Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, said Saddam was dignified and courteous to his American jailers up to the moment he was handed over to the Iraqis outside the execution chamber. He said no Americans were present for the hanging.

Sami al-Askeri, a Shiite lawmaker who advises Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, said two "Justice Ministry guards were being questioned. The investigation committee is interrogating the men. If it is found that any official was involved, he will face legal measures."

A second key al-Maliki adviser, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information, said, "In the past few hours, the government has arrested the person who videotaped Saddam's execution. He was an official who supervised the execution and now he is under investigation."

Prosecutor Munqith al-Faroon, one of 14 official witnesses to the execution, told The Associated Press that he saw two government officials using camera phones at the hanging.

"I saw two of the government officials who were ... present during the execution taking all the video of the execution, using the lights that were there for the official taping of the execution," he said. "They used mobile phone cameras. I do not know their names, but I would remember their faces."

Caldwell said the tumultuous execution would have gone differently had the Americans been in charge.

As the storm over the handling of the hanging gained strength, Caldwell was among several U.S. officials who suggested displeasure with the conduct of the execution.

"If you are asking me: 'Would we have done things differently?' Yes, we would have. But that's not our decision. That's the government of Iraq's decision," the general said.

The Bush administration sent conflicting signals Wednesday about the taunting and baiting that accompanied Saddam's execution, with the White House declining to join criticism of the procedure and the State Department echoing the U.S. military's questions about it.

"The president is focused on the new way forward in Iraq so these issues are best addressed out of Iraq, out of Baghdad," deputy White House press secretary Scott Stanzel said. "Prime Minister Maliki's staff have already expressed their disappointment in the filmings, so I guess we'll leave it at that."

Stanzel said the U.S. military and the U.S. Embassy in Iraq had expressed concerns about the timing of the execution and about "the process and what took place."

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said U.S. officials had questioned holding the execution on a Muslim festival day, the opening of Eid al-Adha, and as well as some procedures.

U.S. Embassy spokesman Lou Fintor said Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and his diplomatic team "did engage the government of Iraq on issues relating to procedures involved in the timing of the execution (of Saddam), given the upcoming holy days. While the government of Iraq gave consideration to U.S. concerns, all decisions made regarding the execution were Iraqi decisions based on their own considerations."

The second-guessing over the conduct of the execution came as Iraqi and Arab media and an Iraqi government official said preparations were under way to hang two of Saddam's co-defendants in the next few days but that the details still have to be worked out with the American military.

A Cabinet official, speaking anonymously because of the sensitivity of the information, said the two men would hang "at the beginning of next week."

Caldwell said those executions, like Saddam's, were the responsibility of the Iraqi government. "It's a sovereign nation. It's their system. They make those decisions."

Saddam's half brother Barzan Ibrahim, a former intelligence chief, and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, were originally scheduled to hang with Saddam. But their execution was delayed until after Eid al-Adha, which ended Wednesday for Iraq's majority Shiites.

In Washington, U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts denied a request by a lawyer for Bandar to block the U.S. military from transferring custody of the condemned man to Iraqi authorities.

U.N. human rights chief Louise Arbour appealed to Iraqi President Jalal Talabani to prevent the execution of Ibrahim and al-Bandar, saying she was concerned with "the fairness and impartiality" of their trials.

Saddam, Ibrahim and al-Bandar were sentenced to death for the 1982 killings of 148 Shiites in the town of Dujail, north of Baghdad, after a failed assassination plot against Saddam. They were convicted Nov. 5, and an appeals court upheld the verdict on Dec. 26.

Saddam was hanged in Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Kazamiyah. During his regime, Saddam had numerous dissidents and opponents executed in the facility, located in a neighborhood that is home to the capital's most important Shiite shrine ? the Imam Kazim.

As he faced his own death on the gallows, Caldwell said, Saddam "was courteous, as he always had been, to his U.S. military police guards."

The spokesman said Saddam's demeanor changed "at the prison facility when the Iraqi guards were assuming control of him, but he was still dignified toward us.

"He spoke very well to our military police, as he always had. And when getting off there at the prison site, he said farewell to his interpreter.

"He thanked the military police squad, the lieutenant, the squad leader, the medical doctor we had present, and the colonel that was on site
 

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"He thanked the military police squad, the lieutenant, the squad leader, the medical doctor we had present, and the colonel that was on site
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Yeh thank you back more Sadamm, now hang by the neck until you croak, corksoaker.
 

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And now this little gem is not doing us any good. Half of Iraq pissed at us again. And that dumb as President of Iraq that were backing. Is useless as two tits on a bull.
 

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There was an article in AM NEW YORK Paper that stated there is apparently no Iraqui Laws pertaining to conduct at an execution.

Apparently no law was broken.

Actually it alleviated the fears in many whether or not he was really dead/executed. This revealing footage actually did a service to the many fearful sheite muslims.

Anyone know of a good chiropractor ?

:scared
 

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15 or so years ago he made a move to try to control the world's oil supply -- or a great part of it anyway

He was just any other tyrant until then

When given options to comply with ceasefire agreements he refused to do so and his threat was one in which GWB and many others in power could no longer ignore (do we need to roll out the quotes again?)

The CIA said that he may be developing WMD's. WMD's in the wrong hands threatened worldwide stability and America herself. Together with this threat in his country we had a bad scenario. Our leaders felt they had to act.

They made a decision. We rallied behind that decision. Both political parties. The Senate overwhelimingly approved this war. We should continue to do what is best for the country and her interests which INCLUDE stability in the oil industry/fields. The worldwide economy DEPENDS on this stability. Without it, today's social ills in this world would be miniscule towards what could develop. Worldwide disease, hunger, and crime would spread like you wouldn't believe as the worldwide population DEPENDS on CHEAP oil for transportation, farming, etc. etc.

Get a grip and realize what is at stake and support your country, your military, and your President.
 
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