How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches

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Not anything many of us are surprised to read, really, just seeing it spelled out in black and white makes it seem more cynical. There was no doubt in my mind when this administration threw open the Iraqi oil reserves to control by "international interests" that this would eventuate to benefit oil companies in the long run. This just cements it for me. I'm sure righty spinsters will try to deflect from it, but it seems very black and white to me.

One thing really jumps to mind down towards the bottom of this story which lends perspective to recent Bush administration proposals to send a billion in aid and 20,000 or more troops the Iraq to help quash the violence. I bolded and asterisked it...I really found that interesting. Not surprising, just very telling.

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Future of Iraq: The spoils of war

How the West will make a killing on Iraqi oil riches

By Danny Fortson, Andrew Murray-Watson and Tim Webb, Published:*07 January 2007

Iraq's massive oil reserves, the third-largest in the world, are about to be thrown open for large-scale exploitation by Western oil companies under a controversial law which is expected to come before the Iraqi parliament within days.

The US government has been involved in drawing up the law, a draft of which has been seen by The Independent on Sunday. It would give big oil companies such as BP, Shell and Exxon 30-year contracts to extract Iraqi crude and allow the first large-scale operation of foreign oil interests in the country since the industry was nationalised in 1972.

The huge potential prizes for Western firms will give ammunition to critics who say the Iraq war was fought for oil. They point to statements such as one from Vice-President Dick Cheney, who said in 1999, while he was still chief executive of the oil services company Halliburton, that the world would need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010. "So where is the oil going to come from?... The Middle East, with two-thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies," he said.

Oil industry executives and analysts say the law, which would permit Western companies to pocket up to three-quarters of profits in the early years, is the only way to get Iraq's oil industry back on its feet after years of sanctions, war and loss of expertise. But it will operate through "production-sharing agreements" (or PSAs) which are highly unusual in the Middle East, where the oil industry in Saudi Arabia and Iran, the world's two largest producers, is state controlled.

Opponents say Iraq, where oil accounts for 95 per cent of the economy, is being forced to surrender an unacceptable degree of sovereignty.

Proposing the parliamentary motion for war in 2003, Tony Blair denied the "false claim" that "we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues. He said the money should be put into a trust fund, run by the UN, for the Iraqis, but the idea came to nothing. The same year Colin Powell, then Secretary of State, said: "It cost a great deal of money to prosecute this war. But the oil of the Iraqi people belongs to the Iraqi people; it is their wealth, it will be used for their benefit. So we did not do it for oil."

Supporters say the provision allowing oil companies to take up to 75 per cent of the profits will last until they have recouped initial drilling costs. After that, they would collect about 20 per cent of all profits, according to industry sources in Iraq. But that is twice the industry average for such deals.

Greg Muttitt, a researcher for Platform, a human rights and environmental group which monitors the oil industry, said Iraq was being asked to pay an enormous price over the next 30 years for its present instability. "They would lose out massively," he said, "because they don't have the capacity at the moment to strike a good deal."

Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister, Barham Salih, who chairs the country's oil committee, is expected to unveil the legislation as early as today. "It is a redrawing of the whole Iraqi oil industry [to] a modern standard," said Khaled Salih, spokesman for the Kurdish Regional Government, a party to the negotiations. The Iraqi government hopes to have the law on the books by March.

***Several major oil companies are said to have sent teams into the country in recent months to lobby for deals ahead of the law, though the big names are considered unlikely to invest until the violence in Iraq abates.***

James Paul, executive director at the Global Policy Forum, the international government watchdog, said: "It is not an exaggeration to say that the overwhelming majority of the population would be opposed to this. To do it anyway, with minimal discussion within the [Iraqi] parliament is really just pouring more oil on the fire."

Vince Cable, the Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman and a former chief economist at Shell, said it was crucial that any deal would guarantee funds for rebuilding Iraq. "It is absolutely vital that the revenue from the oil industry goes into Iraqi development and is seen to do so," he said. "Although it does make sense to collaborate with foreign investors, it is very important the terms are seen to be fair."
 

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3000 lives to do this and lets not forget the stealing they are doing from us tax payers by war profiteering. You want to talk about a bunch of heartless scumbags its these collection of thieves. There own guy (O'Neil)said they planned this even before they won the first election which was a fraud of an election just to get power. these people are a disgrace to be human beings but what can you do. People will keep voting for them. People are to gullible to believe these stories. Why do you think Bush was stuant on going at this alone? Why do you think the French and Germans are happy with the mess we created and refuse to help? They know we went over there to steal. All the other countries know this except our naive people. Makes you wonder if Bin Laden was right to begin with. Makes you also wonder the tremendous fight their people are putting up to stop this nonsense. All the while our boys and girls are stuck in the middle for these money hungry thieves. You can't try and work with this trash's now. You need to prosecute them. Poor Saddam just wouldn't let these thieves get the oil so they made an example of him. Why i would never be for the death penalty. To easy for dirtbags like this to set you up. Have a nice day.
 

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yeh but we need that fawking oil. always did.

excuse me I got to run to the store for some
groceries, do a few errands, go to work, take a vacation etc etc.

I said from the beginning it was all about the oil.

I will try to find that thread.

It really is a crazy world we live in.
 

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yeh but we need that fawking oil. always did.

excuse me I got to run to the store for some
groceries, do a few errands, go to work, take a vacation etc etc.

I said from the beginning it was all about the oil.

I will try to find that thread.

It really is a crazy world we live in.

I think your right Scott. they are doing this to make sure we get this oil in the futre. Its a nice jesture on Bush N Cheney's part. What a sweet two guys to think of the country like this while our borders are still wide open. Airlines not as secure as they should be. Ports almost sold to the arabs. Great guys arent they. Or is it money all over again with these greedy pigs? If they really want to do something nice how about getting us off of this stuff? They could be told the planet is gonna melt next year if we don't stop this but as long as this stuff still comes out of the spiquot they will keep selling it. Money is not the root of all evil its assholes with money that is the root of all evil.
 

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Yes!!!

keep the oil prices down for all of us!!!

more money for families to pay for health care, education, and other necessities for life in America

more tax money to reduce the deficit

stable oil flow to help provide food, heat and aid to the needy
 

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Yes!!!

keep the oil prices down for all of us!!!

more money for families to pay for health care, education, and other necessities for life in America

more tax money to reduce the deficit

stable oil flow to help provide food, heat and aid to the needy

the same people goughing us now are gonna open up their hearts? When they were giving out brains did you think they said trains and got off?
 

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Yes!!!

keep the oil prices down for all of us!!!

more money for families to pay for health care, education, and other necessities for life in America

more tax money to reduce the deficit

stable oil flow to help provide food, heat and aid to the needy
short term solution and unnecessarily costly. how bout we just stop buying into the bullshit and demand better vehicles. if we just go for 33% better mileage across the board then we need no oil from the m.e. at all. our solutions are easier than we realize. ....would you want your family member to die for fk'n cheaper oil prices?
 

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Yes!!!

keep the oil prices down for all of us!!!

more money for families to pay for health care, education, and other necessities for life in America

more tax money to reduce the deficit

stable oil flow to help provide food, heat and aid to the needy

It might have more meaning if you believed even one of these things is a good use of our treasury having more money. I think you are on record as being against all of what you just posted.

I'd guess you could have been honest and just said...Yes! More money for me!
 

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Just curious, Freeze, using your logic, would it have been ok for Russia, China, or France to attack Iraq for that oil and control it? Or just us? They need cheaper oil, right?

How about China attacking the US to gain control over our oil reserves? Heck, they need a lot of oil these days. I guess that would be ok, too. Or, again, is it only ok for the US to attack countries to obtain stuff we need to keep things cheaper for us?

:shrug:
 

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Privitization of oil is a good thing. A very good thing for all involved. If and thats a big if, the Iraqi goverment is able to negotiate a fair deal with the oil companies. But something tells me this wont happen. And, it is a shame. From what I can tell if they did, Iraq would be better off, the west would be better off and this would deal a blow to OPEC's ability to control world wide oil prices at artificially high prices. 90% of the world's oil production is controlled by states not "big oil". Companies working for profit are much more efficient in getting the oil out of the ground and subject to supply and demand - or would be if not for OPEC setting the prices artificially high. With what little of the worlds oil "Big oil" has control over, they have no real say in the price of oil. They are lucky/smart/greedy to be in a business where they sell a product that a larger nearly monopoly has control over the prices instead of the free market. And, when the supplier is setting the prices and not the market, thats not good for anyone other than the suppliers. Just look at Debeers.

That being said, the simplest solution would be massive tax breaks to private companies who create more efficient vehicles, alternative fuels, etc and the consumers who buy these products. Oh, and it just might help the environment and crush the economies of countries that are trying to produce WMDs and fund terrorists to boot - almost all of which depend on high oil prices.
 

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the left with their fingers in the wind again......first "it`s war for oil"....then,it`s "why isn`t iraqi oil helping pay for the war effort".....

now,it`s back to "war for oil".....

quite a ponzi scheme....they`re never wrong...they just switch positions...

that is their position....not taking a position,that is...

having it both ways...

and since when is oil not an absolutely vital resource?..the most vital...short of food and water....whether you be left or right...

try and remember.....my fellow americans...our oil needs aren't about driving suv`s to 7-11 to buy some ho-ho`s....they are about fuel oil that keeps millions from freezing in the winter.....they are about planting, harvesting, and shipping food......they are about sending freight from one coast to the other...... they are about construction of buildings.....they are about keeping our economy alive.....they are about keeping us alive.... our economy and the markets would collapse...pension plans go belly up......

a national disaster that would make 9/11 seem like a day at the beach...


if we" redeploy"(oh brother)...and iran exerts control over iraqi oil......and possible the straits of hormuz(try and untie that knot if iran develops a nuclear weapon).....or worse,saudi oil......you guys had better start layin` in the sterno and the candles......and grease up those old radio flyers....

i can see just see it now........

dateline july, 2009:""a nuclear armed iran has just seized the saudi oilfields....oil hits $100 per barrel, gasoline in san francisco passes $5/gallon""....

president barack "hussein" obama calls jacque chirac...

b.h.o..."jacque, mon ami, what do you think?"

j.c...."hussein,ayatollah khameini assures me he will continue to honor his contracts.... i can't support a war"....

b.h.o..."sounds good to me...let me know how much in kickbacks will be necessary to appease the ayatollah...allah akhbar!!!...allah akhbar!!.... .....anything else on your mind?"


j.c..."perhaps a strongly worded resolution saying we deeply regret the nuclear destruction of tel aviv, but that israel must not inflame tensions by retaliating"...

b.h.o...."sounds good to me jacque.....can we I expect you at martha's vineyard next month?"

j.c..."oui".....

:SIB
 
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That's a load of crap, GW.

1. Anyone with any sense of this administration realized that the Iraqi oil reserves were at least a part of the reason for going into Iraq. It became clear when their first efforts when taking the country was to secure the oil fields and distribution lines (not just a "tactical move" for pity sakes).

2. The liberals had nothing to do with the creation of the story about Iraqi oil paying for the war - that was directly from the administration, and you know that. It certainly is a fair question for ANYBODY to ask, before, during, and after the fact.

3. Now when it's clear the oil companies won't expand into Iraq behind our own mandate there, until it is more secure, that we pour a billion dollars into the country and send 20,000 more troops there to serve that very purpose.

The only thing fingering the wind is you, with this commentary. Usually you have some thread of sense to your dissertations, but this one is just plain wrong.
 

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Weasel - I notice you've been throwing a lot of French words around lately. Is there something we should know?
 

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Iran not's going any where or capturing any-ones Oil. You been listening to Hannity or Fox wind bags.
Iran makes a move there done. If not by us Israel.
In fact even Europe will not allow that to happen.
 

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Iran not's going any where or capturing any-ones Oil. You been listening to Hannity or Fox wind bags.
Iran makes a move there done. If not by us Israel.
In fact even Europe will not allow that to happen.
Yep....
 

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That's a load of crap, GW.

1. Anyone with any sense of this administration realized that the Iraqi oil reserves were at least a part of the reason for going into Iraq. It became clear when their first efforts when taking the country was to secure the oil fields and distribution lines (not just a "tactical move" for pity sakes).

2. The liberals had nothing to do with the creation of the story about Iraqi oil paying for the war - that was directly from the administration, and you know that. It certainly is a fair question for ANYBODY to ask, before, during, and after the fact.

3. Now when it's clear the oil companies won't expand into Iraq behind our own mandate there, until it is more secure, that we pour a billion dollars into the country and send 20,000 more troops there to serve that very purpose.

The only thing fingering the wind is you, with this commentary. Usually you have some thread of sense to your dissertations, but this one is just plain wrong.

you mean that wmd`s weren`t the only reason for taking out saddam?.....you mean that it was actually a multi-faceted policy decision?....in consideration of our economy AND security?...and the stability of the middle eastern oil reserves that are the life`s blood of our economy and way of life?

you mean that along with enforcing the u.n. resolutions that saddam flaunted,we actually acted in our own economic interests?.....

you mean to tell me that we had the temerity to act in our own national interst rather than because of some humane/feel good rationale?...

and look at how prophetic you are,chad...with hugo chavez and venezuela looking to nationalize lucrative oil projects involving foreign oil companies...leaving us and our energy policy and some of our important energy resources under this dictator`s thumb.......

with chavez and ahmadinnerjacket becoming bunky`s,gaining some leverage with those that control the lucrative iraqi oil resources seems to me,a master stroke......

ding ding ding!!!.....give the man the kewpie doll!....

we had to back you into it,but,at least we crossed the finish line....

you may think that i make no sense....but i`m ecstatic to learn that you actually do....


learning to be conformist in your non-comformity.....well done,chad!:clap:

weasel`s very proud(chest expanding and shirt buttons popping)
 

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you mean that wmd`s weren`t the only reason for taking out saddam?.....you mean that it was actually a multi-faceted policy decision?....in consideration of our economy AND security?...and the stability of the middle eastern oil reserves that are the life`s blood of our economy and way of life?

you mean that along with enforcing the u.n. resolutions that saddam flaunted,we actually acted in our own economic interests?.....

............................................................

uh yes, yes , yes , yes and yes.
 

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You can try and corral/torture me, GW, but unlike others the right wing have captured over the past 5 years, I 'got rights, brother. I was not proclaiming that the attack on Iraq was a multi-faceted policy decision. Good GOD, no. I was actually being soft with my comment there.

Why is it now - actually for the past 2-3 years now - has this war become such a multi-faceted disclaimer for those who defend it? This war was essentially a one topic war about how Saddam was on the verge of using WMD's against us. It was sold to us as safety for Americans, taken to them, before they took it to us. Which proved to be a load of crap, manufactured by the administration, AND ADMITTED TO HAVE BEEN FALSE BY BUSH, CHENEY, and the rest. This is what continues to kill me...the people who made up the shite have admitted it, and you guys won't. It wasn't even your mistake, and you hold true to it. Totally baffling. You can stop believing now, Weasel(s), they've told us they were wrong. Just say, yes. But enough about just point one.

Your second point..."We were enforcing the UN resolutions." Excuse me, is the U.S. THE United Nations? Can we enforce anything unilaterally when those resolutions are drawn up and agreed to by multiple nations? We didn't enforce anything UN-wise, we even said we didn't need approval from others to act as we did. It was a main point made by the administration, actually done to increase support in this country for what he wanted to accomplish. Defend our country with or without UN member support, I believe was the battle cry. And now you take credit for everything, which is not the way it was.

Your third point about doing it for the country for economic security and the control of oil is also arguable. We see now who will ultimately profit from this...mainly U.S. oil companies. Where is the money from this war that was supposed to paid back to us from Iraqi oil reserves? It's going directly to the oil companies which is a helluva bigger piece of the pie than any guess on tax revenues generated from them. Leap of logic? A big one.

You talk about all the bad guys who control oil. Do they, or do they not, have a right to do whatever they want with their oil? Does Bush have a right to do what he wants to do with US oil reserves and supplies? Or do leaders from other countries and other ways of life have the right to invade us and take over our stuff, because they think our government is not the best way to run a country?

What country was preparing to take over Iraq and get all those oil reserves, exactly? How much oil did we get from Iraq, before we grabbed all of it? I honestly don't know. If we were getting a lot from them, and somebody was going to run across the border and take control of it, maybe I could understand it better. I must have missed the memo on this one.

Sorry about your shirt, Weasel.
 
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