ISREAL IS A PEACE-LOVING NATION

[Tenzing]

....and don't you forget it.
Never does Israel use excessive, illegal force, or commit war crimes, or violate the Geneva Conventions. Israel completely adheres to all international rules of warfare, does not commit any acts of terrorism against anyone, esp. not the poor Arabs who were living in Israel when Israel flanagled itself into existence. BTW, Israel is really sorry you Palestinians, whose land was stolen, using guerrilla terrorist tactics, **ahem**, have never been given your own country, but of course that would mean doing what's right and proper, and diminishing Israel's capability to sow world-wide discord, and universal economic jihad in relative peace without the world press breathing down our neck, so um, yeah it ain't gonna happen, Muhammed.

Anyways, now we've gotten that out of the way, Israel is shocked, shocked to find that Jimmy Carter is asking Israel to comport itself in accord with established international law regarding warfare, specifically that of intentionally targeting known civilians and non-combatant populations. Israel, of course, should be allowed to do as it wishes with the poor sobs who think of Judaism a disgrace, a sham, and a mockery to God, and are of that mindset due to the history Jews have with completely abrogating their mandate to treat the indigenous populations with respect and care.

So, every Jew everywhere should condemn former President Carter (who, btw has spent more time trying to negotiate an end to the Mid-East violence than any other person on the planet) from using his God-given and constitutionally protected ability to speak out against what he believes to be an injustice.

Under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to ever, ever say anything bad about Israel, and if you do, you can forget about having Jews sitting on your board trying to steer your charity away from its' goals, but rather working to further the aims of the state of Israel!!! So there!
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/carter-fans-quit-over-israel-book/2007/01/12/1168105181409.html

 

[smurphy]

Under no circumstances should anyone be allowed to ever, ever say anything bad about Israel, and if you do, you can forget about having Jews sitting on your board trying to steer your charity away from its' goals, but rather working to further the aims of the state of Israel!!! So there!

Err...OK.:com: I'd hate to not have my charity steered from it's goals by Jews no longer sitting on my board.

 

[THE KOD]

there is a jewish statement

nem ne gelt

it means get the money.

that would be the main goal I think

 

[Tenzing]

smurphy

smurphy

The point of the post was that a bunch of Jews left a charity that Carter has control over, due to his insistence that Israel stop killing civilians, per the link I posted.

 

[THE KOD]

I think their argument would be that no
civilians were killed only terrorists and family of terrorists.

I think the real question needs to be if every act of violence was quelled and there was peace.

who would be the first to break the violence.

so when in Rome do as the Romans do.

it seems simple enough

 

[smurphy]

Scott, if you honored my first wish, then we would have peace and all of this Carter-Israel stuff wouldn't even matter. Instead, I'm stuck waiting for all those pennies. Do you have a peanut farm in Plains, by chance?

 

[THE KOD]

smurph

years ago I went down to Plains, Ga to see the town where President was born and lived.

Its a nice little town. Alot of tourists.

So I was standing in the center of town talking to other tourists and damn if here didnt come Billy Carter. You know Jimmy's little brother.

He had the most shit eatin grin you ever did see.

So we are all watching him walk down the street and its like he is a celebrity right there in front of us.

Billy goes across the street beside a hardware store and takes a piss on a wall.

I had drank a few beers and I also had to take a good long whizz. So I wrote Billys name in the sidewalk right next to him. He got a kick out of that. I think he was impressed I could spell his name. I tried to dot the i and almost pulled a hamstring.

I could piss like a race horse back in them days. Not sure if you ever have seen a racehorse piss, buts it quite a sight to behold and witness.

They were selling Billy Beer there in town and I picked up a six pack as a remembrance.

I still got a can up in the attic .

I drank five of them though.

So then Miss Lillian came out of a restaurant close by.

I got to her side before she got into a car to leave.

I was out of breath and I said to her.

" Miss Lillian arn't you proud of your son ?

And she responded..... Which One ?.

Lord bless her soul.

I wonder if she ever sees much of Billy these days .

 

[THE KOD]

 

[Keith 1]

Jimmy Carter--Fair and Impartial. You're Kidding, Right ?

Jimmy Carter--Fair and Impartial. You're Kidding, Right ?

Jimmy Carter: Jew-Hater, Genocide-Enabler, Liar

By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 14, 2006


Even as Islamic Hitlerites gather in Iran to deny the first Holocaust of the Jews and to plot the second, former president Jimmy Carter tours America with a new book that describes Jews as racists and oppressors, and suggests they are also a conspiratorial mafia that intimidates ?critics,? controls America?s media and war policy, and are therefore also the source of Islamic terrorism and the Arabs? genocidal campaign to eliminate them from the map of the Middle East.

In other words, Americans beware of the Jew in your midst.

Here is Carter?s description of the Middle East conflict in his own words, delivered during an interview he gave on National Public Radio during the second day of the Holocaust deniers? conference in Teheran:
?I have spent a lot of time in Palestine in recent years. ? The Palestinians have had their own land, first of all, occupied and then confiscated and then colonized. They?ve been excluded from their own gardens and fields, and pastures and churches. They have been severely restrained in their movements. They have to have different kinds of passes to go through different checkpoints inside their own lands on their own roads. The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.They connect these settlements with very nice roads for the Israeli settlers, and then superhighways and so forth going into Jerusalem. Quite often the Palestinians are prevented from even riding on those roads that have been built in their own territory. So this has been in many ways worse than it was in South Africa.?
When hundreds of millions of Muslims are calling for the extermination of the Jews of Israel this is more than a lie; it is a blood libel.
It is a lie that Palestinians ?had their own land, first of all, occupied.? This is like saying that Texans had their own land occupied by Hispanics, ignoring the fact that Hispanics were there first. The very word Palestine is a Roman appellation for the people called Philistines, who were not Arabs but red-haired sailors from the Aegean. The Jews were there as well.
In short, first of all the Jews were in the land before the Arabs.
Second of all, the Arabs who inhabited the Palestine Mandate in 1948, at the time of the creation the state of Israel, considered themselves Syrians.
Third, the Palestine Mandate was not created on land taken from the Syrians or the Arabs. It was taken from the Turks.
It was not taken from the Turks by the Jews, but by the British and the French. They took it because Turkey sided with Germany in the First World War and, of course, lost. The Turkish empire had ruled the entire region including Syrian, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan for four hundred years before Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan were artificially created by the English and the French. Jordan ? a state whose majority is Palestinian ? occupies 80% of the Palestine Mandate.
So it is a preposterous lie to say that the Palestinians had their own land and that it was occupied by the Jews.
Fourth, the individual plots of land that Jews now own were in the first instance bought from the Arabs who regarded themselves as Syrians and who lived in the area of Israel. The only property that was confiscated was confiscated as a spoil of the aggressive war that five Arab states waged against Israel from the day of its birth. Five Arab armies invaded Israel, a sovereign state, with the declared intent of ?pushing the Jews into the sea.? The cry today of the Muslim majority in the Middle East is to ?liberate Palestine from the river to the sea.? In other words push the Jews into the sea.
By the standards of occupation and legitimacy Jimmy Carter invokes, Israel has more legitimacy as a Jewish state than Texas does as an American state, rather than a Mexican province.
The fifth Jimmy Carter lie in this lone Jimmy Carter sentence is the claim that the Jews have colonized anything. ?The Israelis have built more than 200 settlements inside Palestine.?
Why is it wrong of the Jews to live in the West Bank? (The 7000 Jews of Gaza, of course, have already been expunged as result of the Arabs? genocidal hate.) Why can?t Jews have settlements in the West Bank?
The answer is because the Palestinians Arabs are filled with a racist and theocratic hate towards the Jews. They can?t tolerate a non-Muslim, non-Arab people --however small a minority -- living in their midst. (The 7000 Jews of Gaza ? out of a population of 1.2 million ? were law-abiding and peaceful and created a horticultural industry that produced ten percent of Gaza?s gross national product. But they were Jews. And that was intolerable to Palestine?s Nazis. So they had to be removed.)
Contrast Carter?s attack on Jews living in the West bank as ?colonizers? who must be expelled with the fact that more than a million Arabs live in Israel, where Israel provides them with more rights ? including the right to vote and elect Arab members of Israel?s government ? than any Arab who lives in any Arab state in the Middle East.
There is indeed a wall now between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. But it is not a wall to keep Arabs out of Israel because they are Arab, as Carter maliciously maintains. There are more than a million Arabs living in Israel. There are indeed checkpoints in the West Bank and into Israel and obstacles to Palestinians crossing them. But this is not because the Israelis discriminate against Palestinians because they are Muslims or Arabs.
It is because too many Palestinians have shown themselves to be bloodthirsty, murderers who have been indoctrinated by their religious leaders and their government to believe in a sick Islamic fantasy that it is their Muslim duty to kill Jews by blowing themselves up; and that, if they do so, they will go to heaven along with 70 members of their family; and, that, if they are lucky enough to be male they will be rewarded by 72 virgins on the other side.
On this side they will be regarded as martyrs and saints and honored by their government. Sixty-percent of Palestinians support suicide bombing and this sick, genocidal agenda ? which is shared by all members of the Palestinians? democratically elected government ? to kill the Jews.
To ignore these facts and to invert them, as Jimmy Carter does, is to mark yourself as a moral defective.
To take on as a mission the spreading of lies that enable Islamic Nazis to carry out their final solution is the epitome of the evil that America?s fifth column left and its reprehensible ex-President represent in our time.

 

[Keith 1]

And More on Mr. Fair and Impartial

And More on Mr. Fair and Impartial

Jimmy Carter's Jewish Problem

By Jason Maoz
JewishPress.com | November 30, 2006


For those with eyes to see, there were hints as far back as the 1976 presidential campaign of the trouble to come. Early that year, Harper?s magazine published ?Jimmy Carter?s Pathetic Lies,? a devastating expos? of Carter?s record in Georgia by a then little-known journalist named Steven Brill.
Reg Murphy, who as editor of the Atlanta Constitution had kept a close eye on Carter?s rise in state politics, declared, ?Jimmy Carter is one of the three or four phoniest men I ever met.?


Speechwriter Bob Shrum quit the Carter campaign after just a few weeks, disgusted with what he described as Carter?s penchant for fudging the truth. He also related that Carter, convinced the Jewish vote in the Democratic primaries would go to Senator Henry (?Scoop?) Jackson, had instructed his staff not to issue any more statements on the Middle East.

?Jackson has all the Jews anyway,? Shrum quoted Carter as saying. ?We get the Christians.?

Relations between Carter and Israel were tense from the outset of the Carter presidency. Carter?s hostility was evident to Israeli foreign minister Moshe Dayan, who in his memoir Breakthrough described a July 1977 White House meeting between Carter and Israeli officials. ?You are more stubborn than the Arabs, and you put obstacles on the path to peace,?? an angry Carter scolded Dayan and his colleagues.

?Our talk,? Dayan wrote, ?lasted more than an hour and was most unpleasant. President Carter...launched charge after charge against Israel.?

On October 1, 1977, the U.S. and the Soviet Union unexpectedly issued a joint statement on the Middle East calling for an Arab-Israeli peace conference in Geneva, with the participation of Palestinian representatives. The communiqu? marked the first time the U.S. officially employed the phrase ?legitimate rights of the Palestinian people.?

Reaction in the U.S. was immediate and furious. ?[A] political firestorm erupted,? wrote historian Steven Spiegel. ?After American officials had worked successfully for years to reduce Russian influence over the Mideast peace process and in the area as whole, critics could not understand why the administration had suddenly invited Moscow to return.?

Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, who five years earlier had expelled thousands of Soviet military advisers from Egypt, neither liked nor trusted the Russians, and decided to kill the U.S.-Soviet initiative in the womb. His decision to go to Jerusalem to address the Knesset electrified the world and caught the Carter administration completely off guard.

Eventually the U.S. would broker what became known as the Camp David Accords and oversee the signing of the 1979 Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. But Carter was far from a dispassionate third party. His disdain for Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin and near hero-worship of Sadat were clearly reflected in his demeanor and has informed nearly everything he?s written on the Middle East since leaving office.

In The Unfinished Presidency, his book about Carter?s post-White House activities, the liberal historian Douglas Brinkley provides a detailed account of the former president?s obsession with helping Palestinian terror chief Yasir Arafat polish his image. Carter, according to Brinkley, regularly advised Arafat on how to shape his message for Western journalists and even wrote some speeches for him.

Carter was also a vocal critic of Israeli policies and ?view[ed] the unarmed young Palestinians who stood up against thousands of Israel soldiers as ?instant heroes,?? wrote Brinkley. ?Buoyed by the intifada, Carter passed on to the Palestinians, through Arafat, his congratulations.?

Former New York mayor Ed Koch, in his 1984 bestseller Mayor, recounted a conversation he had shortly before the 1980 election with Cyrus Vance, who?d recently resigned as Carter?s secretary of state. Koch told Vance that many Jews would not be voting for Carter because they feared ?that if he is reelected he will sell them out.?

?Vance,? recalled Koch, ?nodded and said, ?He will.? ?

In Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship, Andrew and Leslie Cockburn revealed that during a March 1980 meeting with his senior political advisers, Carter, discussing his fading reelection prospects and his sinking approval rating in the Jewish community, snapped, ?If I get back in, I?m going to [expletive] the Jews.?

Carter ? such was the country?s good fortune ? did not get back in. But as evidenced by his years of pro-Palestinian advocacy, reams of anti-Israel op-ed articles, and the release last week of his latest book/screed, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid, he?s been trying to [expletive] the Jews ever since.

 

[bjfinste]

Quoting David Horowitz, eh? Good stuff. I had to deal with this piece of shit first hand while working at the student newspaper in Madison in 2001.

 

[moe777]

wtf does jimmy carter know?he has no clue whats going on over there we no more than him,we watch fox news.

 

[Keith 1]

Quoting David Horowitz, eh? Good stuff. I had to deal with this piece of shit first hand while working at the student newspaper in Madison in 2001.

are you attacking the author (without any substantive accusations) or the contents of what is written ? And if it is what is written, please specify what statements in the article are untrue.

 

[djv]

I still never heard why they kick those folks off there land in 1948. Then the Brits and of course US drew some lines and said this is yours and this is your. That's when chit started to hit the wall. One of the sides said that's not enough to US and the Brits. They said we want, no we will take this much. And they did. They been fighting ever
since. It's not that complicated after all.

 

[Keith 1]

I still never heard why they kick those folks off there land in 1948. Then the Brits and of course US drew some lines and said this is yours and this is your. That's when chit started to hit the wall. One of the sides said that's not enough to US and the Brits. They said we want, no we will take this much. And they did. They been fighting ever
since. It's not that complicated after all.

the "Palestinians" had land. Jordan kicked them out. Then the UN (not just Britain and the US) divided it. The day Israel was formally recognized, the neighboring Arabs attacked. And lost. And they attacked again in 1967. And lost. And they attacked in 1973 (this time they thought they'd pull a fast one by attacking on Yom Kippur). They lost again. Then Israel gives back much of the land it won by way of the Camp David peace accords. Not good enough for the Arabs. Then Arafat is offered an independent Palestinian nation (Oslo accords). Did he take it ? Nah. He turned it down (probably on advice from his buddy Jimmy Carter). Today Israel continues to withdraw from land it gained during the wars started by the Arabs. All they ask is 2 things in return: (a) recognize our right to exist; and (b) stop attacking us. The Palestinians will do neither. Mahmoud Abbas KNOWS it needs to be done and he is trying to do it, but the Palestinians had to go and elect a terrorist organization (Hamas) to lead them. Suicide bombers continue to blow themselves up in crowded areas in Israel, and we are supposed to feel sympathy for the Palestinian cause ???? Please.

 

[The Sponge]

Could you possible get me another article from someone who isn't jewish? Thanks

 

[The Sponge]

The deal they offered Arafat was a joke and only a moron would have taken it. It was basically giving them the land but keeping the streets. Why not tell the whole story with your misleading piece. they are occupiers just like we are and when you occupy someone else's land you get to be hated. The news here and im not even talking about Just Fox bullshit news, is so misleading concerning this situation. Go watch the BBC if you want the real story with this mess. And why is it the Jewish people want out of this mess their sneaky gov't created? They march on the streets because they to like clear thinking people over here, all 30 percent of us, have had enough of this bullshit.

 

[Tenzing]

Keith

Keith

The Palestinians never had a country.
:nono:
After the events depicted in the movie Lawrence of Arabia, the British, since the UN didn't exist at the time, pulled out of the British (see the connection???) Palestinian Mandate.

Israel was created out of the remnants (by the U.N.) of the mess left behind when Jewish terrorists were waging an illegal and unscrupulous war against the legal government of Britain, since they had hegemony via several treaties signed with the legitimate governments at the time.

Carter is merely asking for Israel to adhere to treaties and conventions it has already signed.

 

[Tenzing]

David Horonitwit

David Horonitwit

This fool

:wtf:

He says "This is like saying that Texans had their own land occupied by Hispanics, ignoring the fact that Hispanics were there first. The very word Palestine is a Roman appellation for the people called Philistines, who were not Arabs but red-haired sailors from the Aegean. The Jews were there as well.

In short, first of all the Jews were in the land before the Arabs. "

Again with the :wtf:

"Texans" came into being when the Nation-State of Texas was created. Being from the glorious state of Texas, I know that when it was part of the former country of Mexico, we would have been called Texians. And there is no such thing as "Hispanic." It's a word used in the late 20th century to describe persons, regardless of aboriginal descent, from various countries south of the U.S. So, by definition, Hispanics couldn't have been in Texas first.

Prolly not a point he'll concede.
So, ahem, strike one.

Next he says that Palestine is a Roman word.
Now, I assume that he means a word devised by the Romans, since there is no "Roman" language.
But he's wrong yet again, as there were several words in use in Ital and Lati (notice how those words are palindromes??) lands, none of which were Palestine.

So, ahem, strike two.

And, sigh, even if there was a "Palestine" in antiquity, it didn't contain "Jews," since they had Judea and various other ephemeral nations in which they dwelt.

Strike three.

And by the way, one should read up on histories of so-called post-exilic Jews, namely what Rabbi Shmuley has to say on the subject.

 

[djv]

Like I said AND I take no side. Its not to complicated. And the fighting continues. One side use terror with suicide bombers. The other responds with tanks and gun ships.