Andy Reid to blame??

[WayneWonder]

Living in Delaware, I have been a staunch supporter of Andy Reid. He does have his shortcomings (time management comes to mind) but he has never been one to just back down.

I don't know if this has been discussed yet, but how does Andy Reid get a free pass for punting on fourth down of yesterday's game with less than two minutes remaining?? The Saints had been running the ball down your throat to that point and you just converted a fourth down (although it was negated by a false start). So with just two timeouts you punt to the Saints and basically challenge them to run the ball for a single first down? If he went for it, would there have been any difference in the end result?? Isn't this the same team who famously converted a fourth-and-26??

Not too much about this in the Philly papers today, which is surprising. A lot more (deserved) praise for the Saints, but this is a puzzling decision. I do not think the Eagles should look to replace Reid despite this egregious error. I mean, look at some of the incompetent head coaches around the league. Reid is still in the top-third of the league when it comes to head coaches but this was an inexcusable call. Anybody have any input regarding this decision by Andy Reid?? Very interested in hearing another persons take on this issue.

 

[Roger Baltrey]

It was a horrible call but his overall body of work is damn good. 28 teams would take Andy Reid as their coach and he did a damn good job again this year. Having said that, it was a major pussy call.

 

[clark]

this is my theory. chance of getting first down on 4 and 15 is what 20-25% tops. you almost guarantee field position remains the same by punting and getting three and out and other team is really limited to running.you have to believe that knowing it will be a run all three times ups your percentages of getting ball back minus some time. if you don't make the first you lose the time and alot of field you have to regain on offense with no timeouts! if there had been 30 less seconds remaining he would have gone for it i think! most coaches would have done same in reids position. reids' job is to put his players in the best position and play the percentages!

 

[DeadPrez]

I'll trade you Tom Coughlin and Tiki Barber for Andy Reid :SIB

 

[WayneWonder]

Clark...good points, but consider this. Andy Reid ordered the fraidy cat punt after the two minute warning had passed.

4-15-PHI39 (1:56) D.Johnson punts 39 yards to NO 22, Center-J.Dorenbos, fair catch by R.Bush.

The Saints ran two straight runs after receiving the punt. The clock was at 1:37 on 3rd down. Assuming the Eagles made the stop, the Saints could have run the clock down to 0:52 before punting. They would have been punting from approximately their own 30-yard line. The Eagles would have gotten the ball back with about 0:45 seconds on the clock and had worse field position then when they originally punted...with a minute ticked off the clock and no timeouts remaining. How can you explain that as putting his players in the best position to win??

 

[Dayad]

Plain and simple, it was a dumb call.

 

[Gmarco]

I am an avid eagles fan and I feel as if we just gave up...if all of you watched that game the defense was on their heels the entire second half. Sean Payton was smirking under his gay ass visor when he saw them punt. I mean come on Andy, go for it. The Saints would have just run out the clock from that side of the field instead...mind boggling...

Another idiot play. 3rd and I and a roll out screen to Tapeh?????????

Run the damn ball straight ahead with Westbrook two times, we dont get who cares, they have to go 99 yards to score....ughhh another off season of woulda coulda shoulda...

Seeing todays results, even if we went into Chicago and won, Indy or NE would dismantle us in a heartbeat..

Balt or SD would have been better matchups..

 

[clark]

YOU MAY LOSE A 5OR 6 YARDS BUT YOU MAY GET A GOOD RUNBACK FROM WESTBROOK PAST THE 39. THEY WOULD HAVE ONLY NEEDED 25-30 YARDS TO BE IN FG POSITION FROM ORIGINAL LINE. DON'T MAKE THAT 4TH AND YOU DOUBLE AMOUNT OF YARDS HAVE TO GO IN 45 SECONDS. I CAN'T IMAGINE REID RISKING ALLTHAT YARDAGE HE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE UP IF THAT VERY LOW PERCENTAGE PLAY DIDN'T WORK . EXTREMELY UNLIKELY YOU MAKE A 4TH AND 15 . IMO I THINK GARCIA RUSHED THE PLAY BEFORE 2 MINUTE WARNING AND SHOULD HAVE WAITED WITH 3RD AND 10 COMING UP. HEARD GARCIA ISN'T COMING BACK TO PHILLY.4TH AND 15 IS A 6% PLAY.HEARD IT ON TV. BET ANDY KNEW THAT!

 

[Emersonboozer]

Didnt really matter much as the refs wouldnt have allowed an Eagle win what with the hurrcane ravaged city needing any economic boost it can get. So lets all sit back and enjoy the show we call the National Football League. It is what it is. More scripted as the season winds down.

 

[The Sponge]

Two things that always happen when Andy loses in the playoffs. He does something strange with time management and Mcnab totally sucks. Only one thing happen in this loss.

 

[Franky Wright]

this is my theory. chance of getting first down on 4 and 15 is what 20-25% tops.!

The Saints ran two straight runs after receiving the punt. The clock was at 1:37 on 3rd down. Assuming the Eagles made the stop, the Saints could have run the clock down to 0:52 before punting. They would have been punting from approximately their own 30-yard line.

Which would you rather have; 4th and 15 or the ball 1st down with time for 5-6 plays to get to FG position?:SIB

Remember, I did not see this whole thing, so I'm guessing here, just trying to get inside Reids head:shrug:

 

[gjn23]

i cant believe everybody is defending this lard ass and that decision.

hey here's an interesting point:

if your defense is gonna stop no on 3 running plays, then go for it on 4th and 15 and stop them right there and get the ball back after a punt, a missed fg or a made fg (with a chance at a big ko return). chances are that after a punt you might get the ball back at the 20 when no kick it in the end zone, giving up 19 yards of field position (who cares) but giving yourself a chance at the 4th down play where you could actually gain 15 yards, draw a penalty for an auto first down, etc......and guess what.....on 4th and 10 when it was okay to go for it.....YOU FKING GAINED 20 YARDS (before a late but correcty false start penalty)......but now add in 5 extra yards and you decide to punt.

:shrug:

only a loser makes that decision and the sad part is, 90% of the coaches would make the same decision......they are scared shitless of accepting the blame should they fail to convert and then no wins the game.

 

[Emersonboozer]

i cant believe everybody is defending this lard ass and that decision.

hey here's an interesting point:

if your defense is gonna stop no on 3 running plays, then go for it on 4th and 15 and stop them right there and get the ball back after a punt, a missed fg or a made fg (with a chance at a big ko return). chances are that after a punt you might get the ball back at the 20 when no kick it in the end zone, giving up 19 yards of field position (who cares) but giving yourself a chance at the 4th down play where you could actually gain 15 yards, draw a penalty for an auto first down, etc......and guess what.....on 4th and 10 when it was okay to go for it.....YOU FKING GAINED 20 YARDS (before a late but correcty false start penalty)......but now add in 5 extra yards and you decide to punt.

:shrug:

only a loser makes that decision and the sad part is, 90% of the coaches would make the same decision......they are scared shitless of accepting the blame should they fail to convert and then no wins the game.

I doubt 90% of head coaches are that dumb and would make this same decision. Andy explained his decision by saying the chances of making a 4th and 15 arent good but guess what the chances are if there are less than two minutes left and you never see the ball again? ZERO He is pretty bad come game day but we all knew that already.,Didnt we?

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Guy makes one bad call and he's a "loser". 5 Playoff teams in 6 years....4 championship games, one Super Bowl and he's a "loser". Where is all the great talent he's had? Hank Baskett, Reggie Brown.... give the guy his due...he's a very good coach who made a very questionable decision. There's only 3-4 coaches with better resumes in the NFL. :nono:

 

[gjn23]

Guy makes one bad call and he's a "loser". 5 Playoff teams in 6 years....4 championship games, one Super Bowl and he's a "loser". Where is all the great talent he's had? Hank Baskett, Reggie Brown.... give the guy his due...he's a very good coach who made a very questionable decision. There's only 3-4 coaches with better resumes in the NFL. :nono:

he's made plenty of bad calls and his time mgmt is brutal and always has been

he's similar to bill cowher/tony duingy (but without cowher's super bowl title of last year)....good regular season coach but cant win conf title games at home

 

[Roger Baltrey]

But almost any city in the NFL would take Cowher or Ried and their 5-6 championship games in a second. To me, the guy takes what looks to be pretty average teams a long way every year.

 

[gjn23]

But almost any city in the NFL would take Cowher or Ried and their 5-6 championship games in a second. To me, the guy takes what looks to be pretty average teams a long way every year.

well vs tb-car-atl they were the #1 seed and class of the nfc, franchise qb in a medicore conf....and lost 2-3 at home

guess i cant believe anyone who would make that type of play call actually knows what they are doing.

 

[Roger Baltrey]

Let's bring back Buddy Ball! Or Rich Kotite. Or let's be Carolina or Tampa and sink back to mediocrity after one good year. He put a beat down on Parcells, Joe Gibbs and Tom Couphlin with Jeff Garcia piloting the team. Guess he's a dumb shit and they ought to find someone who "knows what he's doing".

 

[Emersonboozer]

Lets see now. 3rd and less than one yd for 1st down at the saints 3 yd line.All you need is a qb sneak and lunge for less than a yard and the 1st down. balll less Andy calls a swing pass that is to be caught 2 yds behind the line of scrimmage to fullback Thomas Tapeh whom sees the ball about once every three games. Guess what happens? he is tackled for a 2 yd loss. On comes the field goal team and what should have been an easy TD becomes 3 pts. Momentum= Saints

Less than 2 minutes left and its 4th down. he punts the ball away and never sees the ball again. Duh? Now I here on local radio the Andy was playing the %s saying its only a 19% chance to make the 4th down play. What are the %s of punting the ball with less than 2 minutes and getting the ball back and scoring? Probably around 5% so it doesnt ADD up. He is a terrible game day coach but pretty good in games against bad teams. Thats all

 

[layinwood]

If the eagles don't want Reid, ship him down here to the big D. I would much rather have him than Parcells.

We all know it's a growing process for teams. When you get there sometimes it takes a whilet o get over the hump. That goes for players and for coaches. He's a very good coach that gets the most out of his team. That 4th down call was ok by me. No matter what he did on that play there was going to be people that criticize.

Hey Emerson, maybe he should have asked for a replay or something so he could waste a timeout. Oh wait, that's what the great Marty did to screw his team. Give me a freaking break.