DTB's Favorite Ally slams illegal occupation of Iraq

[Chadman]

Still think the Saudi's should be commended for being such a close ally, Wayne? I guess it all depends on the argument of the day, doesn't it? Or, maybe, the Saudi's are seeing through King George's party line, too?

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Saudi king slams 'illegitimate occupation' of Iraq

by Lydia Georgi Wed Mar 28, 8:10 AM ET

RIYADH (AFP) - Saudi King Abdullah, whose country is a close US ally, on Wednesday slammed the "illegitimate foreign occupation" of Iraq in an opening speech to the annual Arab summit in Riyadh.

"In beloved Iraq, blood is being shed among brothers in the shadow of an illegitimate foreign occupation, and ugly sectarianism threatens civil war," Abdullah said.

He also said that Arab nations, which are planning to revive a five-year-old Middle East peace plan at the summit, would not allow any foreign force to decide the future of the region...

 

[IntenseOperator]

sometimes you have to work with the the enemy of your enemy

warts and all

Wish the story was a little longer. Time might give a little more context to all the motives involved.

 

[Chadman]

Here is the rest of the story, just posted the first part to highlight my point. Maybe this gives you more "context" to the comments, I don't know. Seems pretty straightforward to me. And the link, if you want to check my work...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070328/wl_mideast_afp/arabsummitdiplomacy_070328121015

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In the past, Saudi leaders including Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal have often criticised US policy in Iraq but have never described its presence there as "illegitimate."

If Arab leaders recover trust in each other and regain their credibility, "the winds of hope will blow on the nation, and then, we will not allow forces from outside the region to determine the future of the region, and only the flag of Arabism will be raised on Arab soil," Abdullah said.

Arab foreign ministers meeting ahead of the summit agreed on Monday to call for an amendment of Iraq's 2005 constitution to give Sunni Arabs a greater share of power in the war-ravaged country and prevent its breakup.

But Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari responded by saying the government did not need a "diktat" from the Arabs on how to amend its constitution and boost national reconciliation.

The Iraqi government has initiated moves to review a de-Baathification law in a bid to woo former members of the regime of executed dictator Saddam Hussein back into politics and government jobs.

Under a controversial de-Baathification law, tens of thousands of members of Iraq's former ruling Baath party were stripped of their posts in government, at universities and in business after the 2003 US-led invasion.

The law has been a major source of grievance for the minority Sunnis, who have waged a deadly insurgency against US troops and the Shiite-led American-backed government in Baghdad.

Iraq's once-ruling Sunnis also want an amendment of the constitution, which they fear leaves their central regions without natural resources and Iraq's oil wealth in the hands of the governing Shiites and the autonomous Kurds.

 

[smurphy]

You are either with us or against us.

-President Bush, November 6, 2001

 

[kosar]

I'll be interested in Wayne's reaction.

This staunch 'ally'(according to Wayne) on our war on terror coming out like this?

After all, by his 'logic', anybody that makes these kind of comments is certainly undermining our efforts. Can you imagine if Nancy Pelosi made these comments? We'd be sending Wayne flowers and 'get well soon' baloons to the hospital.

Saudi Arabia sure as f*ck didn't mind us coming over there in 1991 to protect them from 'beloved Iraq.'

18 hijackers from Saudi Arabia. Yeah, great ally, Wayne.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Chad I come into this forum every now and then. Not interested in "checking" your work. I'll leave this forum for you to live and die for. I don't know why, but I'm here more for the "gambling" aspect of this sight (and I've come to learn that even that isn't the number one goal of MadJacks). I'd rather spend 2 hours capping an NBA game tonight than "checking" any of your posts.

Thanks for the info non-the-less.

 

[Chadman]

I understand, IO. Didn't mean to jump like that, it's just that sometimes people get accused of only telling part of the story and hiding other details, and that wasn't my intent with only posting a part of this one. The rest seemed to be more of the Arab structure overall, and less on the point being made in the statement, IMO.

Good luck in your capping. I wish I had more money to play around with that way these days. Less time, more paying down debt aggressively, no time for capping fun and wagering, like in years past. :sadwave:

 

[The Judge]

If Arab leaders recover trust in each other and regain their credibility, "the winds of hope will blow on the nation, and then, we will not allow forces from outside the region to determine the future of the region, and only the flag of Arabism will be raised on Arab soil," Abdullah said.

Sounds reasonable to me and not surprisingly, very much like something that one of our own leaders would say if the circumstances were reversed.

 

[smurphy]

I'm happy to know that Haliburton has relocated to a nice spot under "the flag of Arabism".

 

[The Sponge]

This is a major problem in this giant mess and this isn't the first time the Saudi's bitched about this. Seeing there brother Sunni's just getting slaughtered isn't sitting pretty with them. Even tho he is dead Zacawi out thought Bush pulling this move attacking the shites. We got to get the hell out of this hell hole cause there is nothing we can do. I like Weasal and DTB reasons for staying because they think the deaths of the soldiers would be shamed. How about we try something else like saving the rest of them before they are dead too. Its simple, roll up the tents because we won this thing. We can't win the political part so its time to leave.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Was reading that Chad before I came here--as long as he keeps knocking out terrorist--(only one of their top 26 remains at large)I'll take a little lip from him.

I am believer in actions speak louder than words--

---which reminds me-- I'm still waiting for you boys captured/killed terrorist list from last admin for comparison--

Somehow conversation always ends with facts--doesn't it

 

[The Sponge]

Was reading that Chad before I came here--as long as he keeps knocking out terrorist--(only one of their top 26 remains at large)I'll take a little lip from him.

I am believer in actions speak louder than words--

---which reminds me-- I'm still waiting for you boys captured/killed terrorist list from last admin for comparison--

Somehow conversation always ends with facts--doesn't it

Since there now are a million times more terrorist than eight short years ago your conclussion is rediculous

 

[bjfinste]

Was reading that Chad before I came here--as long as he keeps knocking out terrorist--(only one of their top 26 remains at large)I'll take a little lip from him.

I am believer in actions speak louder than words--

---which reminds me-- I'm still waiting for you boys captured/killed terrorist list from last admin for comparison--

Somehow conversation always ends with facts--doesn't it

So the key is to start a war under false pretenses, multiply the amount of terrorists in the world because of this action by a ridiculous number, and then, once you catch a few of them, say, "Well shit... it's better than Clinton did, isn't it?"

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Would be curious where you guys are getting these #'s of increased terrorist from
--I would be interested in seeing your source--since I doubt there is any verfiable way I have to assume it is opinion

I can't give you any facts on # of terrorist for same reason but I can give you facts on countries that have joined in fight--for now

--and the for now--brings me back to Chads original post. In article it did not mention as others did that this was 1st time the king ever stated war was "illegitimate foreign occupation"
WHY say that now and never before?--can you think of anything that occurred recently that might make one get apprehensive--

Let me give you a hint--

Your a child and live in neighborhood with bully you hate living across the street--however your neghibor next door is your friend and very strong so you feel safe --all of a sudden this friend moves out and a 90lb weaking moves in--is your attitude going to change?

--and what message have the Dems given Pakistan-Kuwait-Kurds and the rest of our allies there?

--and what message have they given Iran-AlQuadea--and terrorist in general

no-brainer on who has the and who has the

 

[bjfinste]

I realize you aren't a big fan of "common sense".... but come on.

 

[smurphy]

I realize you aren't a big fan of "common sense".... but come on.

:mj07: :mj07:

:142smilie

 

[The Sponge]

Dogs Scotty from Atlanta posted something the other day about an uncomfortable feeling when he was sitting next to a couple of Muslims. Im pretty sure we all would have felt the same thing but eight years ago i would have thought nothing of this.

 

[Chadman]

Not much time right now, but as I pointed out the last time we were talking about how much Saudi Arabia had "done for the U.S." in capturing terra-rists, a large number of those captured were actually attacking Saudi Oil interests, right? So, they essentially, as always, are pretty much protecting themselves at every turn. Like this, when they criticize the U.S. prior to an Arab summit. An ally to whatever country can help them at the time. More on this later. But the point about caputuring terrorists is kind of a mute point, since the real war started after 9-11, under Bush's watch, didn't it?

 

[djv]

Terrorist/Insurgents a play on words. Both are killers. Ask the over 100000 Iraqi's who died from both. Seems easy to say we have more of both since Iraq invasion.

 

[kosar]

Not much time right now, but as I pointed out the last time we were talking about how much Saudi Arabia had "done for the U.S." in capturing terra-rists, a large number of those captured were actually attacking Saudi Oil interests, right?

Yes, exactly. I've also pointed this out many times and Wayne has ignored it just as many times.

When there is a terrorist attack on Saudi soil, oil related or otherwise, they are extremely aggressive and adept at almost immediately capturing the culprits.

Anything that happens anywhere else? Not so interested, even though the smart money is on Saudi nationals being involved. Not just 9/11 either.