DTB's Favorite Ally slams illegal occupation of Iraq

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Yep and Pakistan was killing terrorist also--and Lybia had given up wmd's and yemen was haging terrorist instead of harboring them--yada yada yada--

To the point being does "common sense" tell you we are better off with Saudi-Lybia-Pakitan-Yemen ect haboring terrorist instead of hunting them --or UBL confined to cave or racking up frequent flyer miles with get out of jail free card-

Seems this question always get the silent treatment--any volunteers this time--didn't think so.

--of course --on flip side--we might have lost some of the French's support :)
 

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I'll grant you one thing...when you make a point, say that the point always gets the silent treatment, and then say right afterwards in the same post that you didn't think anyone would answer, that is pretty cool. Surprisingly, it's tough for me to actually crawl inside your posting window to make a comment, before you click "Submit Reply." Of course, when you ignore other posts and just post the same inane New York Post article three times, I guess that is better than not getting inside the other persons response window before they post. Beautiful. I hear there is an opening as Press Secretary in the Bush Administration that you would be well suited for...

But, I will happily look at your last response and avoidance of the point being made here. You AGAIN ignore why Saudi is looking for certain terrorists in their country, and claim credit for them helping the U.S., which is a complete misrepresentation of the situation. They are looking for people that attacked them, plain and simple. Avoid that some more, it gets more sad every time.

Libya? Perfect. Now you are giving Bush credit for Reagan's laser strikes on terror camps back in the day, which straightened them out without actually committing troops (or family business interest contractors) into the situation. They still realize that they have to toe the line to keep their country financially solvent, so that was not a tough sell, recently, on the WMD thing.

Pakistan? My GOD, you can't be serious. Searching for terra-rists? Blaming Clinton (I guess) for Pakistan harboring terrorists, when it seems to be common knowledge that Bin Laden is being harbored there, and the government (or at least the leader) will not go after the bad guys for fear of their lives? We're better off in Pakistan now, why, exactly? Because Bin Laden has safe haven there? Ok, I get it...:rolleyes: Maybe the resurgent Taliban would understand that, I dunno.

The funny-sad thing about your assessment of Bin Laden is, due to the Bush administration's decision to go to Iraq, we still don't know where Bin Laden is, cave, or no cave. We still have no idea, after six years, what to do about the man responsible for 9-11. That is an embarrassment to most anyone but you, evidently, Wayne. You're happy enough that the Saudi's are capturing their own terrorists that attacked their own oil interests, and don't mind "taking a little lip" off of the leader of the country that produced 17 of the actual terrorists that attacked the United States. Talk about aiding the enemy. That is a sad position to take, in my view but consistent with the current administration. Dubbya's words regarding Bin Laden, "I really don't spend too much time thinking about him," after pulling our forces out of the search really resonate with me. How true those words were then, and continue to be now.

I am REALLY ticked off about the Saudi bigshot spouting off about the U.S., although in many ways he is correct. There really is no way to save face in this, and that is disgusting to me. Go ahead and keep on saying the Bush soundbite..."He's doing a heckuva job." It works until the person is ousted, which is usually soon to follow. See you in November 2008, when there are so many democratic presidential votes the Diebold machines won't be able to lose them all.
 
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"Saudi King Abdullah, whose country is a close US ally, on Wednesday slammed the "illegitimate foreign occupation" of Iraq"""" in an opening speech to the annual ""Arab"" summit in Riyadh""".


the guy`s walking a thin line...much like mussharraf in pakistan....

isn`t it a little naive to take public statements at face value?....don`t you think the conversation may be a little different behind the scenes?....

who`s skirts do you think the saudi`s will hide behind if ahmadinnerjacket gets his "toy".....
 

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What part of "illegitimate foreign occupation of Iraq" is difficult to understand? So, you think that is going to be a hoot at the old dinner table the next time the two kissers share a tender moment on the phone?

Methinks Dubbya and the family maybe should have selected some different close family friends to share interests with. But that's just me. I guess we can all just look at this guy like that drunk old uncle that always made things uncomfortable at Christmas, or Festivus, or whatever you choose to celebrate. I mean, it's not like 17 of his kinfolk killed 3,000 of your family members or anything, for Allah's sake.

Those wacky Saudi's. What WILL they say next?
 

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Interesting perspective here:


U.S. caught off guard by Saudi king's criticism
But some experts say remarks on Iraq are gambit to check Iran

Matthew B. Stannard
San Francisco Chronicle
Friday, March 30, 2007


King Abdullah's sharp criticism of the American presence in Iraq raised eyebrows in Washington, but experts say that the Saudi Arabian monarch's intentions probably complement, rather than conflict with, U.S. goals in the region.

Abdullah made his comments during opening ceremonies at the Arab League summit meeting in Riyadh, calling Iraq a place where "blood is spilled between brothers under an illegitimate foreign occupation and despicable sectarianism that threatens civil war."

Some analysts said the king's statements reflected deep frustration and resentment of U.S. policy in Iraq and pressure on Arab states to confront Iran.

"I think the king is really fed up with this situation. He's trying to find another way, because he cannot confront Iran (militarily) directly," said Marina Ottaway, director of the Middle East Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "I would take it at face value. This is what he said because this is what he thinks."

The White House reacted with caution. "We were a little surprised to see those remarks," Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns told a Senate hearing. "We disagree with them."

Some experts suggested Abdullah's comments also reflect his efforts to balance between competing forces: Iran, the United States, Israel and the Arab public.

"It is hard to know exactly what is motivating Saudi Arabia," said Rachel Bronson, vice president at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs and author of "Thicker Than Oil: America's Uneasy Partnership with Saudi Arabia."

"Saudi Arabia is very much looking at the region, and they don't think the Americans have an answer for it. They are trying to find their own way through," Bronson said. "Nothing is driving Saudi Arabian foreign policy more than its fear of Iran."

Iran is a Persian country dominated by the Shiite branch of Islam, while Saudi Arabia and its neighbors are mainly Arab nations dominated by Sunni Islam. Iran also is a religious republic dedicated to Islamic revolution, but its neighbors are led by monarchs or presidents concerned about restive religious extremists of their own.

Iran has gained prestige since the overthrow of its traditional rival, Iraq, by tapping into popular anger over the plight of the Palestinians and Iraq, experts say. Iran has political influence over Iraq's new Shiite-dominated government and has sponsored groups such as Hezbollah and Hamas that are identified with the Palestinian cause.

"How do (the Iranians) win over the Arab world? They're Persians and they're Shia -- two huge strikes against them. So they very cleverly picked up an issue they could run with," Bronson said.

Iran's success with that gambit is clear from opinion polls in the region, said Shibley Telhami, Anwar Sadat professor for peace and development at the University of Maryland. Telhami said his polling in November showed that Arabs see Iran as a lesser threat than America or Israel. "They see Iran increasingly as the enemy of my enemy," he said.

Most Arab governments have the opposite perspective, Telhami said, seeing Iran as a religious and political threat and feeling increasingly dependent on the United States as a counterweight, especially since the Iraq war.

"Before the Iraq war, they said to the U.S., 'We think this is a bad idea.' But the U.S. decided to do it ... (and) they felt obligated to support it," Telhami said. "The dilemma is, in some ways they are more dependent on the U.S. precisely because the U.S. did what they didn't want them to do."

Then there is Iran's nuclear program, which Tehran insists is for energy production, but the Bush administration contends is for producing nuclear weapons. Iran's neighbors aren't worried about a nuclear attack from Iran, Telhami said, but are concerned that the existence of an Iranian bomb might further embolden the regime politically, or prompt a U.S. or Israeli attack.

In a thinly veiled jab at both the Iranian nuclear program and Israel's presumed possession of nuclear weapons, the summit closed with a declaration calling for "freeing the region from weapons of mass destruction without double standards."

The Israel-Palestinian conflict was the other major focus of the summit, with a renewed and more unified support for the Arab League's 5-year-old land-for-peace proposal. Israel says the plan needs changes that the Arab League so far refuses to make, particularly on issues related to Palestinian refugees' right to return to former homes inside Israel.

Some analysts say the plan touted this week is a nonstarter, but others saw hints of flexibility in new Saudi moves, including permitting an Israeli reporter into Saudi Arabia, the recent summit in Mecca between leaders of the two major Palestinian parties, Fatah and Hamas, and even Abdullah's speech, much of which was critical of Arab governments' failure to solve their own problems.

"In some ways, what King Abdullah is doing in Riyadh right now is a counterthrust to the growth of Iranian interests with Hezbollah and Hamas in the Palestinian territories," said Robert Jordan, a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia. Part of that thrust, he said, is the king's rhetorical jab at the United States.

"In the past, you would have seen King Abdullah express concerns about Iraq privately. Now you see him saying this is an illegitimate occupation," he said. "I think King Abdullah is trying to solidify his position in the Arab Muslim world and gain sufficient credibility to then urge the concessions that may be needed for negotiating the peace plan."

Those gains would help American goals in the region as well, Jordan said -- but that doesn't mean the United States should leap to publicly support Abdullah, any more than it should bristle publicly at the king's criticisms.

Rather, Jordan argued, the Bush administration would be better served by finding indirect ways to help the Saudi gambit show progress -- such as encouraging Israel to ease restrictions on Palestinians and strengthening Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

"Right now, the West and particularly the United States is approaching the status of leper with the Arab world," Jordan said. "To a great degree, anything we publicly do is the kiss of death for them. So being quiet is useful."
 

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What part of "illegitimate foreign occupation of Iraq" is difficult to understand? So, you think that is going to be a hoot at the old dinner table the next time the two kissers share a tender moment on the phone?

Methinks Dubbya and the family maybe should have selected some different close family friends to share interests with. But that's just me. I guess we can all just look at this guy like that drunk old uncle that always made things uncomfortable at Christmas, or Festivus, or whatever you choose to celebrate. I mean, it's not like 17 of his kinfolk killed 3,000 of your family members or anything, for Allah's sake.

Those wacky Saudi's. What WILL they say next?

from what i understand, the iraqi government doesn't want the u.s. to leave yet,so how is this an illegal occupation?....how about the illegal occupation foisted upon peaceful iraqis by iran and al qaeda?....the illegal rule of the minority sunnis over the majority....

it wasn`t acceptable in south africa....


actually, most of what is now called saudi arabia is due to “illegitimate foreign occupation" by the house of saud over their neighboring tribes....

you can take that argument to the nth degree...

look,i`m no fan of the saudi`s...and it grates....all the gratitude we get from these oil ticks for stopping saddam in 1991.....

but,what would you expect?....let's not all be naive....with the amount of weakness, bumbling, and infighting here,is it any surprise that our enemies (or those that wish to be our enemies) are beginning to act more openly and defiantly?....

especially in a part of the world that considers toughness as a quality to be respected....and that sees weakness as....well,weakness... as pathetic...
since the west is appearing so weak, the saudis see islam in ascendancy, so they are emboldened now......

now they`re grabbing british sailors....and what price do they pay?....

nada....

nobody get that,though,do they?....
 

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"with the amount of weakness, bumbling, and infighting here...they are emboldened now"

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

yeah GW, we would have established a peaceful democracy in Iraq and have a McDonald's on every corner if it weren't for liberal dissent. Iran would abandon its nuclear program, sing the praises of America and be buying Fords if it weren't for liberal dissent. Pakistan and the Saudi's would be behaving like true allies if it weren't for liberal dissent. South Korea would never have developed a nuclear weapon if it weren't for liberal dissent. If we could just get rid of the NYT then world peace and ultimate utopia could be achieved.

GW, honestly, I don't think you were cut out for a free society. It is too troubling for you to exist in a diverse democracy. If you could just find Allah then there are some really good options for where you would be happier.
 

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"with the amount of weakness, bumbling, and infighting here...they are emboldened now"

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

yeah GW, we would have established a peaceful democracy in Iraq and have a McDonald's on every corner if it weren't for liberal dissent. Iran would abandon its nuclear program, sing the praises of America and be buying Fords if it weren't for liberal dissent. Pakistan and the Saudi's would be behaving like true allies if it weren't for liberal dissent. South Korea would never have developed a nuclear weapon if it weren't for liberal dissent. If we could just get rid of the NYT then world peace and ultimate utopia could be achieved.

GW, honestly, I don't think you were cut out for a free society. It is too troubling for you to exist in a diverse democracy. If you could just find Allah then there are some really good options for where you would be happier.

yeah..lets just tell our enemies when we`re abandoning the iraqi gov`t....like we did the south vietnamese...we`re eastablishing quite a pattern,this great new generation...

and the islamists see our weakness...

you say you`re a gambler?...a word to the wise...don`t play cards,my friend..

theres a reason why quotes from john kerry and dick "the turban' durbin end up on islamic websites....

liberal dissent has gotten us alot.....it will eventually get the patriot act neutered if not outright repealed...

it got terrorists geneva convention protections...

it got the wiretapping and phone surveillance operations exposed...

it `s gotten us rules of engagement that make it nary impossible to engage the enemy...

we can`t use coercive interrogation methods on terrorists...

there are few real democrats anymore..no kennedys....no roosevelts...

and those that are semi-normal get treated like pariahs by the extreme liberal left(lieberman and even hillary)....

these morons are parking themselves outside pelosi`s house(and she had them arrested...lol)..at least she did one thing right...

if the u.n. had acted unanimously...in what would have been in "the world`s" best interests....there would have been no iraqi invasion......it wouldn`t have been necessary...

remember oil-for-food?.... the u.n.program that was supposed help iraq pay for food and medicine for the women and children who were suffering from the impoverishment by u.n. sanctions since the war ended?.....

hussein tolerated these sanctions, even though he had no wmds.....why`d he do that?...

why go through all the economic problems from not accommodating the u.n.?...and take a chance on being deposed by the u.s. and it`s allies?....

the great unanswered question...the msm`s not interested...

anyway, the program turned out to be a stupendous fraud that lined the pockets of hussein and some 700 of our "allies`"companies ...

who were,btw, criticizing the u.s. for invading for oil and money..... oil and money we`ve never benefitted from....

the left and the msm played up the u.n. as the more moral alternative....they say the sanctions were working and that iraq was being successfully contained....

we have 130,000 troops in iraq and can`t keep terrorists and weapons from flooding across the iraqi borders....

but we had saddam contained.....lol

and who do we really have to thank for the iranian mess?....jimmah carter...

thank you jimmy,for cutting the shah`s legs out from under him....

for leaving our hostages languish for over 400 days...

liberal dissent?....liberalism is a disease...

keep `em coming.....you jokester,you....
 

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I can't see why anyone would put too much stock in anything those double talking royal family members have to say. By now just about everyone knows that they've been playing both sides against the middle for many decades to maintain their status. I'm sure that every terrorist and their brother knows that the royal family "plays ball " with the west. Heck I'd wager that behind Israel and the United States...most of those dissatisfied muslims would love to see that royal family toppled.
With the inflated price of oil since the Iraq war started I wonder WHO has produced the most oil since then :rolleyes: ! Yeah that Saudi King abdulah is bitchin' about Iraq all the way to the bank.
 

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I can't see why anyone would put too much stock in anything those double talking royal family members have to say. By now just about everyone knows that they've been playing both sides against the middle for many decades to maintain their status. I'm sure that every terrorist and their brother knows that the royal family "plays ball " with the west. Heck I'd wager that behind Israel and the United States...most of those dissatisfied muslims would love to see that royal family toppled.
With the inflated price of oil since the Iraq war started I wonder WHO has produced the most oil since then :rolleyes: ! Yeah that Saudi King abdulah is bitchin' about Iraq all the way to the bank.

Tony the best part is this rotten **** suker has oppressed his people for years. Big problem Bin Laden had with this royal collections of pigs. Big friend with that dirty liar Cheney also.
 

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Gregg Interesting article thanks--
I think everyone is missing the timeline of comment--especially with no such comments prior.

--don't think it's coincidence with timing came immediately after house and senate vote.

Don't think anyone in middle east or anywhere will stick their neck out if dems get in power in 08--and don't blame them.

It's a shame--we were just gaining some confidence GW Sr lost when he left the Shites in Iraq hanging--literally
 
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