Well for one she didn't stop the terror attacks in her home state and when it happen all she could do since she put the command and control center in the building they told her not to, is report from the streets. Oh wait im sorry that was the Mayor of the city. Excuse me that is the one AR supports. The cross dressing, cousin marrying, two weeks before the attack voted worse mayor in American, Mayor. The guy running around still telling peole who believe stupid shit that they attack us for our freedom but they never seem to attack all the other freedome loving countries.:shrug:
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Well for one she didn't stop the terror attacks in her home state and when it happen all she could do since she put the command and control center in the building they told her not to, is report from the streets. Oh wait im sorry that was the Mayor of the city. Excuse me that is the one AR supports. The cross dressing, cousin marrying, two weeks before the attack voted worse mayor in American, Mayor. The guy running around still telling peole who believe stupid shit that they attack us for our freedom but they never seem to attack all the other freedome loving countries.:shrug:
3,000 centrifuges on line in iran,and hillary refuses to deal in hypotheticals?..... how are we supposed to vote for her if she refuses to take a position?...then she quotes barry goldwater?....
did anyone catch how quiockly hillary shut up when gravel(the democratic version of ron paul) pointed out that bill clinton erased the deficit by raiding the social security trust fund?....lol
you will have socialized medicine, comrade spongy,as soon as hillary is elected....now eat your potato and drink your vodka ration or you'll be sent to siberia......
i'll change my statement about the office of the presidency is over the head for some of the dems head....i think it's not for biden & richardson....but am not sure for hillary.that is why i would like to hear what bj has to say about her....it won't make me vote for her, but i would just like hear what he has to say about her....if that's alright with you...lol...but btw being 1st lady does not qualify somebody to be president.
in 2000 i voted for gore because i thought he is/was a very intelligent man & very qualified for the job...i also didn't think bush was qualified...& was very pissed about the way the election came down. however i've noticed as i have gotten older, i tend to give people the benefit of the doubt more often than not & figured what's the sense of constantly complaining about something i couldn't change.....& with 9/11 happening i thought a republican would do a better job in handling the terrorists....so i voted for bush in 04....little did i know that he would fuk up the iraq war.
and btw, eventhough i won't vote for a democrat in 08, i will also give him/her the benefit of the doubt before i become critical of him/her.
i don't consider myself to be on the right...but maybe to some here who are ultra liberal i am....i just don't fall in "lockstep" with a party as some here on both sides do.....
i don't expect you to but if you read some of my previous posts you will notice that i stated that i was for national health care for the uninsured.
but a few things changed my opinion....
with some in this country pushing for people who break our laws to have equal access of this country's benefits (illegal immigration), i see that as an erosion of the standards of this country...& i feel that having national health insurance is another way of lowering our standards....not to mention increasing our taxes substantially...sponge are you willing to have your taxes at a rate similar to the countries that have national health care ?...i'm not.
i have also seen firsthand how inadequate national health care can work when my mother-in-law (canada) was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer a few years ago.....& how she waited (maybe because of her age) a long time in between different doctor visits....only to learn that she was misdiagnosed. do you understand the type of anguish she went through by waiting for months to see different doctors... now being misdiagnosed can also happen here also but the long wait between doctors shouldn't happen when we are dealing with somebody's life...& i feel if national health care was brought into the states the wait to see doctors will be even greater here.
it doesn't make it right.....or wrong for that matter, if the mass majority feel or do something on some matters..so just because other countries have national health care should have no bearing on what this country does...
if you feel it's morally right to provide health care for those that don't have it....then i suggest that you do your part & find one or two people (depending on your budget) & pay for their health insurance & deductibles...this will be your contribution to the national health care problem....
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I liked the idea of audience asking some questions.
Biden at least said it right. Don't try to fool anyone with we can do this and that. Because while Bush is in office you get nothing but same chit.
Biden at least said it right. Don't try to fool anyone with we can do this and that. Because while Bush is in office you get nothing but same chit.
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AR if the country is run the right way and a trillion isnt just pissed away on a war or other silly stuff like tax incentives to companies who outsource their companies, you wouldn't have to raise taxes all that much. Why you feel our system would be a copy cat of Canada's i have no idea. Maybe you are right on that maybe you are wrong. Honestly the only people i ever heard say that the Canadian health care system sucks were from Americans. As for me providing health care for others i would if i could afford it unfortunately gas, healthcare, heating my home among other things are going thru the roof so somewhere i have to cut a corner. How about affordable health care? My mom had a mild stroke about two years ago and luckily i have a few connections in the health field. She got to have top notch doctors and her pills are being taken care of for three years. What we are gonna do after that is gonna be tricky because i know these pills prices will wipe her and my father out. I can't imagine if i didn't have these connections or what it is like for people who don't. Im a big believer in preventive medicine. To me this saves a lot of money down the road. Oh im not for giving free health care to illegal immigrants or people who just want to sit on their fat asses.
if you ever go to one of these vegas get togethers, i'll make sure that i introduce you to my wife(canadian) & she will give her opinion on the comparisons of both health care systems that she has experienced first hand...
i guess it's how you look at things....eventhough the war in iraq isn't going smoothly, i wouldn't call the overall war on terrorism "silly stuff".
hope your mother recovers well from her stroke.
GOOD LUCK pulling off socialized medicine here in the Land O' plenty. You can't get someone to wait in line for a Big mac w/o some bitchin' and moanin', so try it sometime when one kid has a fever, some dude's wife has a horrible migraine, and someone else sprained their ankle yesterday and it still hurts. Mind you, none of these events would qualify as an EMERGENCY by my definition, but tell that to the patient.
Here, they all get what they want in minutes to hrs........in a socialized program, the kid w/the fevr will get the once over, then get sent to their doctor in a week, after they really don't need one. The headache will get treated, but only off a an algorithm of preferred meds, and if they don't work, or if the patient is a drug-seeker, tough shit (not all bad). The ankle can forget the X-Ray they believe they need, because they've been walking around on it for a day, which violates the clinical rules for when that's indicated, which were developed in Ottawa.
We can talk ad nauseum about the ideal, but the reality here is that a sense of entitlement will run roughshod over altruistic instinct 9 times out of 10. The solution will have to be multi-factorial and we will all have to give a little in negotiations. Tort reform, pharm pricing regulation (yeah, right), incentives for those who pay in w/o accessing the system (ie, if you're healthy and pay in for 30yrs, then have a catatrophic event, its discounted), raising the age when MediCare kicks in, handing end of life decisions over to the pros......to name a few whilst over-generalizing.
This won't happen, of course, w/o a fundamental shift in how we all look at the American way of life. I don't believe (right now) that I'll see it during my career. It is starting early on my end, as the gov't slowly works its way towards incentive-based compensation via certain (non-sensical) practice requirements. This is spitting in the ocean. Everyone with a stake needs to give a little.
Tax booze:scared , cigarettes, gas, and polluters. Legalize pot and tax that, too!! Get churches to give a little bit back to EVERYONE in the community. Shit, I dont know. Now I'm pissed off. I'm gonna go to gym and whale on a punchin' bag before I go in today. tough to be frustrated when you need help to lift the pen!
BTW, Edwards is a suck-ass. Period. Have a day.......Doc
Here, they all get what they want in minutes to hrs........in a socialized program, the kid w/the fevr will get the once over, then get sent to their doctor in a week, after they really don't need one. The headache will get treated, but only off a an algorithm of preferred meds, and if they don't work, or if the patient is a drug-seeker, tough shit (not all bad). The ankle can forget the X-Ray they believe they need, because they've been walking around on it for a day, which violates the clinical rules for when that's indicated, which were developed in Ottawa.
We can talk ad nauseum about the ideal, but the reality here is that a sense of entitlement will run roughshod over altruistic instinct 9 times out of 10. The solution will have to be multi-factorial and we will all have to give a little in negotiations. Tort reform, pharm pricing regulation (yeah, right), incentives for those who pay in w/o accessing the system (ie, if you're healthy and pay in for 30yrs, then have a catatrophic event, its discounted), raising the age when MediCare kicks in, handing end of life decisions over to the pros......to name a few whilst over-generalizing.
This won't happen, of course, w/o a fundamental shift in how we all look at the American way of life. I don't believe (right now) that I'll see it during my career. It is starting early on my end, as the gov't slowly works its way towards incentive-based compensation via certain (non-sensical) practice requirements. This is spitting in the ocean. Everyone with a stake needs to give a little.
Tax booze:scared , cigarettes, gas, and polluters. Legalize pot and tax that, too!! Get churches to give a little bit back to EVERYONE in the community. Shit, I dont know. Now I'm pissed off. I'm gonna go to gym and whale on a punchin' bag before I go in today. tough to be frustrated when you need help to lift the pen!
BTW, Edwards is a suck-ass. Period. Have a day.......Doc
Sponge--Would you enlighten us to who in the U.S. is currently being turned away from healthcare--regardless of their ability to pay?
Why is it both sides acknowledge the cost on healthcare system by illegals--if you listen to you and your universal health propagandist you'd swear people are being refused healthcare because they are poor--
Why is it both sides acknowledge the cost on healthcare system by illegals--if you listen to you and your universal health propagandist you'd swear people are being refused healthcare because they are poor--
DTB's right here.....
Everyone is entitled to a screening exam, work-up if needed, and one appropriate follow-up w/ an assigned, on-call physician regardless of ability to pay.
They get a bill, but thats just a loss we all make up for non-payers one way (charge payers more thru increased billing, ins. premiums) or another (taxes).
Its one thing for an unfortunate woman who suffers a miscarriage to get appropriate follow-up.....serious, yet simple, common medical issue. Its another to say "Whaddya mean I can't get James Andrews to fix my shoulder?!?!"..........so to speak. I believe this perception is pervasive thru our society. Everyone wants the best. Whatever the topic. Count how many conversations you have today where somebody recommends a restaraunt, a hair stylist, a car dealer, a basketball player because "Its the BEST! Just like Trump..........."It's the best, baby!!!!!!
Shit, my group has been doing this for 7 years.......I get half-a-dozen hokey, cold-call mailings from publications each year.............."Congratulations......our review of records (not your medical records) indicate you qualify as a Top 100 Doctor in your field........" And we do it, for a small fee:com: , and people do buy into it. Do you remember seeing any billboards 15yrs ago advertising hospitals? They are every where now......."Specializing in Hearts....", "We've got a trauma chopper!!!!", "Simply the best..." (that was where I trained).
Sponge is correct about morality, but I do not see how the system is failing thru this looking glass. Everyone should and does get care. You'll have to give me several examples to prove that wrong, because this country averages around 38-40 ER visits / 100 persons / yr. One-third of the population will check into an ER every year for something!! The point here, and when I say here I mean this thread, is money, honey. How do we pay for such enencumbered access to an expensive service? I offer only more questions. I don't have the answers......ideas, but no answers. I'll try on my end to make sure that the quality does not suffer.
doc..............:SIB
Everyone is entitled to a screening exam, work-up if needed, and one appropriate follow-up w/ an assigned, on-call physician regardless of ability to pay.
They get a bill, but thats just a loss we all make up for non-payers one way (charge payers more thru increased billing, ins. premiums) or another (taxes).
Its one thing for an unfortunate woman who suffers a miscarriage to get appropriate follow-up.....serious, yet simple, common medical issue. Its another to say "Whaddya mean I can't get James Andrews to fix my shoulder?!?!"..........so to speak. I believe this perception is pervasive thru our society. Everyone wants the best. Whatever the topic. Count how many conversations you have today where somebody recommends a restaraunt, a hair stylist, a car dealer, a basketball player because "Its the BEST! Just like Trump..........."It's the best, baby!!!!!!
Shit, my group has been doing this for 7 years.......I get half-a-dozen hokey, cold-call mailings from publications each year.............."Congratulations......our review of records (not your medical records) indicate you qualify as a Top 100 Doctor in your field........" And we do it, for a small fee:com: , and people do buy into it. Do you remember seeing any billboards 15yrs ago advertising hospitals? They are every where now......."Specializing in Hearts....", "We've got a trauma chopper!!!!", "Simply the best..." (that was where I trained).
Sponge is correct about morality, but I do not see how the system is failing thru this looking glass. Everyone should and does get care. You'll have to give me several examples to prove that wrong, because this country averages around 38-40 ER visits / 100 persons / yr. One-third of the population will check into an ER every year for something!! The point here, and when I say here I mean this thread, is money, honey. How do we pay for such enencumbered access to an expensive service? I offer only more questions. I don't have the answers......ideas, but no answers. I'll try on my end to make sure that the quality does not suffer.
doc..............:SIB
Im talking more about affordable health care not free but are you guys telling me since my shoulder is killing me and i don't have health care i can just walk in anywhere and get it fixed? Where can i have this done? I know the time i had a Kidney stone while i was laying on the floor at the reception desk and could barely talk all she wanted to know is my insurance company. Hell she didnt even ask me my name. I almost puked right on the floor. I didn't know what was wrong. On another note. Dog why did your boy Bush refuse to let us get drugs in other countries to save money? He said they are not safe yet when the Antrax scare happen we went right over to Canada to stock up on our short supplies of Cipro? Why was it safe to get them then but when the American citizens want to save money this is forbidden? I finally heard in the debate why we pay three times more for the very same drugs you can buy in other countries and it could have been the lamest bullshit reason i ever heard.
it's against the law for a hospital that has an emergency room to turn anybody away because they cannot afford to pay for the er expenses..
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I believe you all are right no one gets turned away.
But that does not mean there first or get the best.
But that does not mean there first or get the best.
Some places I'm sure. But ask some these folks out west where all these rooms are over whelmed with illegals. They ask if you have insurance for more then one reason. In fact your in Arz you have to had seen change over the last 10 years.
As for these Dem debates. Don't bother listening. They will bring Gore in and he will get nomination.
As for these Dem debates. Don't bother listening. They will bring Gore in and he will get nomination.
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Never hear of that Ar. If i didnt have insurance i would be to embarassed to munipulate that but hey why not. Problem is that i will get someone like DR Dray or what ever that rappers name is.
The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act is a United States Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. It was designed to combat the practice of "patient dumping" - refusing to treat people because of inability to pay or insufficient insurance, or transferring or discharging emergency patients on the basis of high anticipated diagnosis and treatment costs. Hospitals that both accept Medicare and advertise emergency room services are statutorily required to provide appropriate screening examinations to determine whether emergency medical conditions exist, regardless of patients' ability to pay. Where emergency conditions are identified, EMTALA further requires the hospital to stabilize the patients.
A patient alleging violations of EMTALA has a cause of action against the hospital responsible for the discharge, but does not have a cause of action against physicians or emergency room personnel. The "appropriate medical screening" requirement of EMTALA does not impose a medical malpractice standard on ER personnel. The screening requirement requires only that an examination be "appropriate" and "within the capability of the hospital's emergency department," including "routinely available" ancillary services.
This is Chapter One in the practice of Emergency Medicine. Deeper in the by-laws are statutes that guarantee appropriate follow-up (one visit to assigned "no doc" call physician) if necessary.
Add: Citizenship is not a requirement. if you cast a shadow, EMTALA/COBRA covers your encounter.
A patient alleging violations of EMTALA has a cause of action against the hospital responsible for the discharge, but does not have a cause of action against physicians or emergency room personnel. The "appropriate medical screening" requirement of EMTALA does not impose a medical malpractice standard on ER personnel. The screening requirement requires only that an examination be "appropriate" and "within the capability of the hospital's emergency department," including "routinely available" ancillary services.
This is Chapter One in the practice of Emergency Medicine. Deeper in the by-laws are statutes that guarantee appropriate follow-up (one visit to assigned "no doc" call physician) if necessary.
Add: Citizenship is not a requirement. if you cast a shadow, EMTALA/COBRA covers your encounter.
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