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Is Al Gore Willing to Put His Money Where His Mouth Is?
Friday , July 06, 2007

By Brit Hume



Now some fresh pickings from the Political Grapevine:

Forecasting Bet

Last week we told you about an expert in forecasting who challenged Al Gore to a $10,000 bet over who could more accurately predict global temperature increases.
Professor Scott Armstrong contends that most climate change forecasts use bad methodology, and that global temps will not rise dramatically as Gore predicts.

Now the professor has received his answer from Gore ? thanks, but no thanks.

A Gore representative said the former vice president is too busy to take on any new projects at this time


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http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST-EDT-REF30b.article

Alarmist global warming claims melt under scientific scrutiny

June 30, 2007
BY JAMES M. TAYLOR
In his new book, The Assault on Reason, Al Gore pleads, "We must stop tolerating the rejection and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of pseudo-studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding the public's ability to discern the truth." Gore repeatedly asks that science and reason displace cynical political posturing as the central focus of public discourse.
If Gore really means what he writes, he has an opportunity to make a difference by leading by example on the issue of global warming.

A cooperative and productive discussion of global warming must be open and honest regarding the science. Global warming threats ought to be studied and mitigated, and they should not be deliberately exaggerated as a means of building support for a desired political position.

Many of the assertions Gore makes in his movie, ''An Inconvenient Truth,'' have been refuted by science, both before and after he made them. Gore can show sincerity in his plea for scientific honesty by publicly acknowledging where science has rebutted his claims.

For example, Gore claims that Himalayan glaciers are shrinking and global warming is to blame. Yet the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate reported, "Glaciers are growing in the Himalayan Mountains, confounding global warming alarmists who recently claimed the glaciers were shrinking and that global warming was to blame."

Gore claims the snowcap atop Africa's Mt. Kilimanjaro is shrinking and that global warming is to blame. Yet according to the November 23, 2003, issue of Nature magazine, "Although it's tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountain's foothills is the more likely culprit. Without the forests' humidity, previously moisture-laden winds blew dry. No longer replenished with water, the ice is evaporating in the strong equatorial sunshine."

Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.

Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past. Hurricane expert William Gray reported just a few days earlier, on April 27, that the number of major hurricanes making landfall on the U.S. Atlantic coast has declined in the past 40 years. Hurricane scientists reported in the April 18 Geophysical Research Letters that global warming enhances wind shear, which will prevent a significant increase in future hurricane activity.

Gore claims global warming is causing an expansion of African deserts. However, the Sept. 16, 2002, issue of New Scientist reports, "Africa's deserts are in 'spectacular' retreat . . . making farming viable again in what were some of the most arid parts of Africa."

Gore argues Greenland is in rapid meltdown, and that this threatens to raise sea levels by 20 feet. But according to a 2005 study in the Journal of Glaciology, "the Greenland ice sheet is thinning at the margins and growing inland, with a small overall mass gain." In late 2006, researchers at the Danish Meteorological Institute reported that the past two decades were the coldest for Greenland since the 1910s.

Gore claims the Antarctic ice sheet is melting because of global warming. Yet the Jan. 14, 2002, issue of Nature magazine reported Antarctica as a whole has been dramatically cooling for decades. More recently, scientists reported in the September 2006 issue of the British journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society Series A: Mathematical, Physical, and Engineering Sciences, that satellite measurements of the Antarctic ice sheet showed significant growth between 1992 and 2003. And the U.N. Climate Change panel reported in February 2007 that Antarctica is unlikely to lose any ice mass during the remainder of the century.

Each of these cases provides an opportunity for Gore to lead by example in his call for an end to the distortion of science. Will he rise to the occasion? Only time will tell.


James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at the Heartland Institute.
 
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Not sure if you notice this but he is pretty busy today with concerts all over the world. The guy is out there trying to do some good for the world unlike one Republican. Rumor has it the Stevens character from Alaska is gonna have a major concert all over the word trying to raise more money for the oil companies. Should be huge crowds.
 

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Not sure if you notice this but he is pretty busy today with concerts all over the world. The guy is out there trying to do some good for the world unlike one Republican.


i think i agree with spongy here....with gore`s weather hysteria tardfest garnering so much publicity,word is that harry reid`s going to follow suit.....

i understand that next year, reid`s sponsoring some "undescended testicle awareness 2008"concerts.................

the man`s got moxy....
 

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Food for thought. A healthy skepticism is okay. That is, until I noticed that James Taylor is with the Heartland Institute. I've seen info which shows that they are heavily funded by Exxon/Mobil.

Its not that I disagree with his main point that a politician may be trying to make an issue that he can use to attract voters. Its that there seems to be a problem with a few of the arguments presented by Taylor.

The part about the Himalayan glaciers is bogus. Taylor?s quote does not appear in the article in the September 2006 issue of the American Meteorological Society?s Journal of Climate that discusses the Himalayan glaciers.

That quote comes from Taylor?s own piece in November 2006 which appears on the Heartland Institute?s webpage. So, Taylor has quoted himself, and dishonestly attributed it the Climate journal article in which it doesn?t appear, all to support a case against the human connection to global warming.

Another bogus argument (or at least misleading) is the part about Kilimanjaro. Its misleading because the Nature article was not a "study." (?African ice under wraps,? Nature, November 24, 2003). Its just a news piece, and it never says who the ?experts? are, and it never quotes any scientific studies supporting the claim.

The Heartland Institute ignores other tropical glaciers around the world that are retreating, like the Yanapaccha glacier in Peru, or the Elena Glacier near the Congo-Uganda border. Its just that Kilimanjaro is the poster child. So assuming that the retreat of the Kilimanjaro might not be due to global warming, it is the widespread retreat of the whole population of tropical glaciers that provides the most telling story.

I could go on but in the interest of time...
 
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Are you suggesting the Earth is round, Jabber? Where is your evidence? :com: But seriously, this Taylor piece is full of holes.

Taylor has the following:
?Gore claims global warming is causing more tornadoes. Yet the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [or ?IPCC?] stated in February that there has been no scientific link established between global warming and tornadoes.?

This is bogus by omission. To be fair, Gore did imply a connection. Taylor cites the IPCC here, but conveniently leaves out the IPCC assessment, which actually supports Gore. The most recent IPCC report reflects the fact that since 2001, more scientists grow confident that global warming is partly caused by people.

Taylor continues:
?Gore claims global warming is causing more frequent and severe hurricanes. However, hurricane expert Chris Landsea published a study on May 1 documenting that hurricane activity is no higher now than in decades past.?

A little background here is needed. Mr. Landsea has always held to the view that global warming is a factor, but perhaps not the most dominant one. On October 18, 2005, he went on The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer and said, ?we see changes in the ocean that gets slightly warmer waters by about a half degree Fahrenheit or so, both in the tropical Atlantic and the Caribbean, but also we see changes in the atmosphere that allow the hurricanes to become stronger??

That was then, but what about today? Did Landsea back-off his earlier opinion? Lets not forget that Chris Landsea works for the federal government, NOAA specifically, and the George W. Bush White House has a track record of expurgating the science it doesn?t feel comfortable with. Henry Waxman has uncovered emails through the FOIA that show an attempt by the Commerce Department to impede press access to government scientists that agree with Gore. It appears that Landsea has retreated from his earlier position, but there's nothing wrong with that, since science is all about reevalutating data.
 

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what could be more interesting than another,"my expert is better than your expert" debate?

watching wood petrify,for one.........
 

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in retrospect,that was a piss poor comment on my part....considering we`re in a forum for the express purpose of discussing just such issues.....

sorry guys.....dtb,jc,wocky,spongy.....

i really have hit the carlsberg a bit to hard this weekened...

weasel is :mj10:
 

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The music was good at least much of it. Yes that ex mobile report does not surprise anyone. In any case right, left, middle, give a chit, or don't give a chit.
It can't hurt for all of us to look after mother earth better then it has been. At least if most scientist are correct we can help our grand kids out. And for some you young guys your kids.
Why is it we can always find all the money and reasons for war. But for good things we just seem to have such a hard time.
 
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