NCAA: Oklahoma must vacate 2005 season; Sooners to appeal

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OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must vacate its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.

The Sooners said they would appeal part of the NCAA's decision.

"In light of all the circumstances surrounding this case and as a matter of principle, the university has decided to appeal two elements of this decision -- the penalty of erasing the 2005 season record and the finding of failure to monitor," Oklahoma president David L. Boren said in a statement.

"We do not believe that erasing the 2005 season from the record books is fair to the over 100 student athletes and coaches who played by the rules and worked their hearts out for a successful season that year," Boren said.

The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the vacated wins, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.

Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.

Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.

In a statement released by the school, Stoops tried to reassure his current and future players that the penalty wouldn't affect them.

"This group of players and those that will join our program later have no reason to be concerned about our goals or the direction of our program. Those things remain unchanged. We remain a program that is concentrated on winning championships and my expectation is that we will compete on that level for many years," Stoops said in a statement.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case.

Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.
 

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meanwhile USC is above reproach

IF the NCAA makes OU vacate its win from 05 season, they better make USC vacate the 04 and 05 season
 

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meanwhile USC is above reproach

IF the NCAA makes OU vacate its win from 05 season, they better make USC vacate the 04 and 05 season


USC will always be above reproach. It will always be
in the best interest of the NCAA for USC to be in
the national limelight. Just like the NBA suffers if
LA, New York, Chicago aren't in the finals. USC
can and will cheat because they know they can.
But it will eventually get so bad that even the
NCAA will have to cave in to the pressure. May
not be that far off. :mj09:
 

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Nice home

Nice home

did i miss something ?

what has usc done ?

Good to see u back AR....feared something bad happened to you...

If I remember rightly, Bush family got wonderful home while he played, and someone had to pay the utilities and car payments...talk about B.S.:SIB


He should give back his awards...and records, and donate heavily to charity, and the condoms should be penalized...tit for tat
 

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If I'm not mistaken, there was also some sort of
issue with Lienhart and the stud lineman living
with him paid for by Daddy Lienhart. Bottom Line,
TIP OF THE ICEBURG. Pete will do anything to
win. ANYTHING. :scared
 

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This news about the Sooners breaks my freaking heart. :00hour

Judge, although it is obvious I can't stand the
RUBBERS and their paid to play 5 star blue chips,
it doesn't break my heart about the Boren led
Sooner Nation. I graduated from OSU, but was
at my daughter's graduation from OU in May.
(She went to OSU for 3 years and had to finish
her degree at OU for 2 years). At the main grad
ceremony, big bad David Boren got up there and
started braging about all the Scholars at OU and
how it made the earth shake all the way to Payne
County ( Stillwater ). LMAO :mj07:
 

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Good to see u back AR....feared something bad happened to you...

If I remember rightly, Bush family got wonderful home while he played, and someone had to pay the utilities and car payments...talk about B.S.:SIB


He should give back his awards...and records, and donate heavily to charity, and the condoms should be penalized...tit for tat

hey dead money.....was just taking a break before football started...thanks for your concern.

of course how did i forget about the bush saga...
 

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Oklahoma to appeal NCAA decision

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OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) -- The University of Oklahoma plans to appeal the NCAA's ruling that the school was guilty of a "failure to monitor" the employment of players and must erase eight football victories from the 2005 season.

The NCAA also said Wednesday that the Sooners must cut two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years in the case involving two players kicked off the team last August for being paid for work they didn't perform at a Norman car dealership.

Oklahoma president David Boren said the university will appeal the NCAA's "failure to monitor" finding and the ruling that Oklahoma must erase the 2005 wins. As of Thursday, Oklahoma had 14 days to notify the NCAA in writing of any such appeal.

"We do not believe that erasing the 2005 season from the record books is fair to the over 100 student athletes and coaches who played by the rules and worked their hearts out for a successful season that year," Boren said.

The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be erased, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.


Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.

Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the program until at least August 2011.

Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.

Paul Dee, the athletic director at Miami and the interim chairman of the NCAA Division I Committee on Infractions, said Oklahoma will be allowed to keep the money it received for playing in the 2005 Holiday Bowl, because the NCAA does not regulate bowl games.

"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.

On Aug. 3 -- the day before the Sooners began preseason practice -- Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work they didn't perform at Big Red Sports and Imports.

That led to an NCAA investigation, which found that Bomar, Quinn and Hardison had been paid for time they didn't work at the dealership and that Hardison had received payment for time he spent participating in a scrimmage and spring game.

The players and McRae engaged "in a deliberate scheme to deceive both the employer's payroll system and the university's employment monitoring system in an attempt to violate NCAA rules of which they were real aware," the report stated.

The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.

During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action."

Dee said Wednesday that Oklahoma should be praised for quickly dismissing the players from the team, calling that action "very influential on the committee."

Still, the committee said Oklahoma should have undertaken more extensive efforts to monitor the players' employment, because the dealership apparently was the largest employer of Oklahoma athletes.

Boren disagreed, saying in a statement that "any mistakes made by the athletic department compliance staff while monitoring would not have prevented the intentional wrongdoing by the student athletes and the employer involved."

Stoops said he "strongly supported" Boren's decision to appeal.

"Our current team is focused on the upcoming season," Stoops said. "The university is dealing with a matter that relates to the 2005 season. This group of players and those that will join our program later have no reason to be concerned about our goals or the direction of our program. Those things remain unchanged."

Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.

Through Sam Houston State athletic department spokesman Paul Ridings, Bomar declined comment Wednesday.

When reached on his cell phone, Quinn said he didn't pay any attention to the infractions committee's ruling on Oklahoma, calling it "dumb" and referring to it with an expletive.

"I have no idea," Quinn said. "I don't care."

Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.

Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the infractions committee also found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.

The committee mostly accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.
 

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did i miss something ?

what has usc done ?

Al--

Aside from the Bush saga at USC, Dwayne Jarret was having his rent supplemented by Matt Leinhart's father. As w/ anything else USC, it was swept under the rug w/o any type penalties to the player or the university. Makes you wonder:shrug:
 

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So if Okie did not win any 2005 games, Neb won title?

So if Okie did not win any 2005 games, Neb won title?

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Borrowed from another site...






You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

So according to the NCAA, Oklahoma didn't win any games in 2005 because of the mortal sins of former quarterback Rhett Bomar, who (gasp!) took a few dollars for basically being the Oklahoma quarterback, and lineman J.D. Quinn who (oh heavens!) also got some coin for a no-show gig at a car dealership.
The NCAA has you brainwashed in thinking that what these guys did was morally wrong in some way, but that's a discussion for another time. The NCAA forced OU to forfeit all eight of its wins from 2005, and now the can of worms is open wide as far as what should come next. As you read this, the words "Reggie" and "Bush" are probably all over LSU and Oklahoma message boards.

It's all silly. I don't care that the wins don't technically count. You don't care that the wins don't technically count. Anyone with a brain doesn't care that the wins don't technically count. Those games happened, and that can't be changed.

Or can they?

What the NCAA should've done is punish OU with a bowl ban or additional scholarship limitations. If the organization really had any teeth, it would force the school to pay back all revenues from games played with the "illegal" players. That being said, I don't believe any of that should really happen. But it makes far more sense than taking away wins on games that actually happened. So, if we're going to do this, then let's really do this.



It's time to start getting into the nuts and bolts of the upcoming college football season. Collegefootballnews.com is your source all summer for a complete 2007 preseason preview. Go to www.collegefootballnews.com or www.cfn.scout.com.

Therefore ...


Nebraska gets the 2005 Big 12 North title, and not Colorado. Oklahoma forfeits its 31-24 win, giving the Cornhuskers a 5-3 mark, good for a tie with Colorado atop the division. Thanks to a 30-3 blowout of the Buffs, the 'Huskers win the Big 12 North. Unless Vince Young and the rest of the 2005 Longhorns can regroup and play the 2005 Nebraska team for the Big 12 title, we're forced to conclude Texas is no longer the official 2005 Big 12 champion, seeing as how it didn't beat the North champion in the conference title game.

Baylor University must be paid reparations for the bowl game it would've gone to, now that football team is 6-5. It most certainly would've gotten a 12th game.

The same goes for Kansas State. The Wildcats, thanks to the forfeit win, are now 6-5 and should be owed back pay for the bowl game it would've gone to.

The same goes for Texas A&M, who now also finishes 6-5.
Sounds crazy, doesn't it? Of course it does, and that's the point. Oklahoma won those games, whether or not Bomar and Quinn were given a few hundred dollars, a few million or a ham sandwich. Had they gambled on the games, been caught using steroids or human growth hormones (just wait until that Pandora's Box opens up), or had been guilty of actually messing with the games themselves, then the forfeiture of wins might be justified. Then you're talking about the integrity of the game, as opposed to what amounts to the players thumbing their noses at an antiquated and unfair policy.

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Someday, someone will realize that it's absolutely fine for college players to accept gifts, money, cars, whatever from boosters, or anyone who wants to provide the swag. When that happens, Oklahoma will get the eight wins back from 2005. For most of us, those wins will have never left Norman.
 

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Will this sanction have any effect on Sooners for the 07 season?

If it's just taking away a few wins from a crappy
2004 season , IMO its not all that big a deal.
Losing the scholarships is tough but I'd say they got off lightly.

I kinda figured USC would of gotten sanctioned
this off season, but nothing happend thankfully.
 
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