no quid pro quo-AGAIN

[DOGS THAT BARK]

says the Clintons anyone know if we got the ole:nono: with this one too :142smilie

Top Dem Fundraiser Turns Himself In

Aug 31 02:30 PM US/Eastern
By PAUL ELIAS
Associated Press Writer

Clinton Fundraising Woes


REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP) - A top Democratic fundraiser wanted as a fugitive in California turned himself in Friday to face a grand theft charge.
San Mateo County Superior Court Judge H. James Ellis ordered Norman Hsu handcuffed and held on $2 million bond. A bail hearing was scheduled for Sept. 5, at which the judge will consider reducing his bail to $1 million.

Hsu appeared in court accompanied by a lawyer and publicist, both of whom declined to say whether the New York apparel executive would immediately post bail. A warrant was issued for his arrest after he skipped the sentencing for a 1991 grand theft charge.

In the ensuing years, Hsu became a top donor to numerous Democratic candidates and was a fundraiser for presidential contender Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. He also had contributed to Sen. Barack Obama's past Senate campaign and his political action committee.

On Friday, Hsu, who has an apparel business in New York, also resigned from the board of trustees of The New School and from the board of governors of The New School's Eugene Lang College. The college received a federal appropriation secured by Clinton last year, but a spokesman for the school said Hsu was not involved in seeking money for the school.

After reports surfaced this week of Hsu's fugitive status in California, Clinton joined other candidates in returning thousands of dollars he raised, but the allegations distracted her campaign just as it prepared to ramp up for the intense post-Labor Day stretch.

The campaign announced Wednesday it would return $23,000 in contributions that Hsu made to her presidential and senatorial campaigns and to HillPac.

On Thursday, Obama's campaign said he would give to charity the $2,000 Hsu contributed to his 2004 Senate campaign and the $5,000 Hsu gave to his political action committee, Hopefund. Hsu's $43,700 in donations to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and $2,500 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee also will go to charity, both groups announced Thursday.

 

[THE KOD]

you really expect anyone to believe that all he gave to Clinton was 23,000 . what a joke.

They hide 23k in their sock.

Clintons will post his 2 million bail money in cash.

Campaign reform. What a joke. We still allow the richest to win./

 

[gardenweasel]

it`s a fricking enigma,ain`t it?.....just like it must be legal to bu-fu a 16 year old in the district of columbia(see gary studds)......

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

How about this revelation by Biily Bob yesterday--:mj07:

"Bill Clinton 'shocked' Hillary donor was a fugitive
BY GLENN THRUSH | glenn.thrush@newsday.com
5:31 PM EDT, September 2, 2007 Contoocook, N.H - Former President Bill Clinton said he was "shocked" by revelations that a top fundraiser for his wife is a fugitive from justice and claimed he didn't even know what "HillRaiser" Norman Hsu did for a living.

"You could have knocked me over with a straw, especially when I heard the L.A. people had been allegedly looking for him for 15 years when he was in plain view," he told Newsday while touring a county fair in rural New Hampshire Sunday.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yep Slick and you didn't know your biggest fund raiser Rich was a 10 most wanted when you pardon him for some additional contibutions:142smilie

THERE WAS NO GUID PRO QUO :nono:

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Update--
Hilliary's boy flees again


Democratic Donor a No Show at Hearing

Sep 5 02:19 PM US/Eastern
By PAUL ELIAS
Associated Press Writer

REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP) - Disgraced Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu was a wanted man again after he failed to show up for a court date Wednesday and a judge issued a new warrant for his arrest.
Hsu, whose criminal past has roiled the campaigns of top presidential candidates, was scheduled to ask a judge to cut in half the $2 million bail he posted last week when he turned himself in after spending 15 years on the lam from a felony theft conviction.

Instead, San Mateo Superior Court Judge Robert Foiles ordered Hsu's bail forfeited to the county and issued a new arrest warrant. If Hsu is arrested again, he will be jailed without bail this time.

Hsu, a Hong Kong native, was also supposed to turn over his passport Wednesday. Hsu's prominent Silicon Valley criminal defense attorney Jim Brosnahan said Hsu failed to give the passport to the legal team on Monday.

"Mr. Hsu is not here and we do not know where Mr. Hsu is," Brosnahan said outside court. Brosnahan said that "there was some contact" with Hsu a few hours before the scheduled 9 a.m. court appearance, but he declined to say how and who talked to Hsu.

Hsu pleaded no contest in 1991 to a felony count of grand theft, admitting he'd defrauded investors of $1 million after falsely claiming to have contracts to purchase and sell Latex gloves. He was facing up to three years in prison when he skipped town before his 1992 sentencing date.

Prosecutors said they suspected Hsu fled the country then. But a few years ago, Hsu re-emerged in New York as an apparel executive and a wealthy benefactor of Democratic causes and candidates. They included presidential contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton, whose campaign designated Hsu a "HillRaiser"?a title given to top donors.

Brosnahan said he didn't know if Hsu returned to his Manhattan condominium or stayed in California after his five-hour jail stint Friday when Hsu turned himself in. He was released from jail after posting $2 million bail, which a judge refused then to reduce to $1 million.

Prosecutors with the California Attorney General's office had agreed to the bail reduction because it would be used to reimburse the victims Hsu admitted swindling out of $1 million in the early 1990s.

"We did think that was enough," Deputy Attorney General Ralph Sivilla said outside court. Sivilla also said he was troubled that Hsu didn't turn in his passport.

Federal Election Commission records show Hsu donated $260,000 to Democratic Party groups and federal candidates since 2004. Though a top fundraiser for Clinton, he also donated to Obama's Senate campaign in 2004 and to his political action committee. He also contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to state and municipal candidates.

After reports surfaced of his fugitive status, politicians at all levels scrambled to distance themselves. On Wednesday, Rhode Island Rep. Patrick Kennedy, who initially said he would keep the $6,200 from Hsu, announced that he would give the money to charity.

Kennedy had originally counted $6,600 in donations, but a review of federal campaign records showed it was actually $6,200.

Obama's campaign said it would give to charity the $2,000 Hsu contributed to his 2004 Senate campaign and the $5,000 Hsu gave to his political action committee, Hopefund.

Hsu's $43,700 in donations to the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and $2,500 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee also will go to charity, both groups said.

Clinton joined the other candidates, returning $23,000 in contributions that Hsu made to her presidential and senatorial campaigns and to her political action committee, HillPac. But his close association with her campaign put Clinton on the defensive.

Last week, Hsu said he thought the criminal charges had been taken care of when he completed his bankruptcy proceedings in the early 1990s.

"I have not sought to evade any of my obligations and certainly not the law," Hsu said in a prepared statement.

--a little more on Billy Bobs quote "you could have knocked me over with a starw"

These Chinese connections shouldn't come as surprise--attached are his connections that refused to testify or fled the country as witnesses in his hearings--


FOREIGN WITNESSES, REFUSING TO ANSWER


Ng Lap Seng
Stephen Riady
Roy Tirtadji
Ken Hsui
John Muncy
James Lin
Eugene Wu
Mochtar Riady
Stanley Ho
Suma Ching Hai
James Riady
Ambrose Hsuing
Lay Kweek Wie
Li Kwai Fai
Bruce Cheung
Wang Jun
Hogen Fukunaga
Yanti Ardi
Nanny Nitiarta
Daniel Wu

AVOIDING TESTIFYING BY LEAVING THE COUNTRY


Elizabeth Ward Gracen
Pauline Kanchanalak
Ming Chen
Antonio Pan
John H.K. Lee
Agus Setiawan
Ted Sioeng
Dewi Tirto
Subandi Tanuwidjaja
Felix Ma
Susanto Tanuwidjaja
Suryanti Tanuwidjaja
Yopie Elnitiarta
Laureen Elnitiarta
Sandra Elnitiarta
Sundari Elnitiarta

 

[THE KOD]

they will never find this guy again.

2 million was a drop in the bucket for him.

How can the courts be so stupid.

He is gone to another country by now laughing his ass off.

And the Clintons will use the 10 million he gave them.

23 thousand !!!!!!!:142smilie :142smilie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

update--HSU captured

Ex-Fugitive's Fundraising Talent Put Him on Democrats' A-List

By Matthew Mosk and John Solomon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, September 7, 2007; Page A03

Last week, before his world came crashing down, Norman Hsu helped organize a breakfast meeting in San Francisco with prospective donors. The featured attraction was Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean.

The meeting was hardly unusual for Hsu, a New York apparel manufacturer for much of his career whose success at raising money had propelled him into the upper echelon of Democratic politics.

In the past four years, Hsu raised more than $1.2 million for Democratic causes and candidates, including the DNC and the campaign of New York Gov. Eliot L. Spitzer. And in the past six months, Hsu became a leading fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.). A person familiar with Clinton's fundraising, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Hsu had raised "in the hundreds of thousands of dollars" since January for Clinton's presidential bid.

But his association with Clinton cast an unwanted national spotlight on Hsu, leading to the discovery last week that there was an outstanding warrant for his arrest stemming from a 15-year-old felony theft conviction.

Now, instead of finalizing plans to headline a Sept. 30 Clinton fundraiser in Woodside, Calif., where Quincy Jones is scheduled to perform, Hsu is under arrest, after being captured as a fugitive. FBI agents took him into custody last night at St. Mary's Hospital in Grand Junction, Colo., the Associated Press learned from FBI spokesman Joseph Schadler.On Wednesday, he failed to appear at a court hearing related to the warrant, forfeiting $2 million in bail. Hsu's attorney James Brosnahan told a San Mateo County judge he did not know where Hsu had gone. The office of California's attorney general said it had not expected Hsu to flee and had not collected his passport.

Another attorney for Hsu, E. Lawrence Barcella Jr., said yesterday the suggestion that Hsu raised money improperly -- including more than $290,000 from one family whose members live in a small bungalow and hold middle-class jobs -- is off base. "I have looked at financial records that clearly show they have the wherewithal to make those contributions," he said.

But Justice Department officials are reviewing the allegations to determine whether an investigation is warranted, according to two federal law enforcement officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

For many people who crossed paths with Hsu in politics, his disappearance left them wondering whether they ever really knew him. "I think a lot of us are scratching our heads," said Hassan Nemazee, a Clinton fundraiser in New York.

Facts about Hsu are hard to come by. Twenty-year-old clippings from apparel industry publications say he was born and raised in Hong Kong and arrived in the United States in 1969 to attend the University of California at Berkeley. The computer science major went to the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School for an MBA. In 1982, with a group of Hong Kong-based partners, he formed Lavano Sportswear.

The business went bankrupt. Describing that time to a Bay Area newspaper, Hsu said he was young and "made a lot of stupid mistakes." But Hsu moved on to form a series of new clothing ventures before going back to Hong Kong, from 1992 to 1996, for unknown reasons. Returning to the United States, Hsu invested in several new wholesale apparel and import ventures that collectively generate about $2 million a year, according to Dun & Bradstreet estimates.

Hsu's first appearance on the political scene came in September 2003, when a Los Angeles area physician, Stanley Toy, introduced him to a major Democratic fundraiser who at the time was collecting money for Sen. John F. Kerry's presidential campaign.

Hsu made a $2,000 donation, the maximum allowed, and the Kerry fundraiser, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said it was after that introduction that Hsu began not only donating but also raising money for Kerry. Toy did not return calls seeking comment yesterday.

Once Hsu made that first imprint as a big donor, other campaigns quickly came knocking. Campaign finance records show which candidates -- including those running for Los Angeles city attorney, California comptroller, Ohio secretary of state and Massachusetts treasurer -- sought and received his financial help. Starting in 2004, he gave to an array of federal candidates, including the Senate campaigns of Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Clinton.

Nemazee, who was helping head the Kerry fundraising effort in New York when he met Hsu, said Hsu's attraction from a fundraising perspective was that he delivered and did so consistently.

When 2008 presidential candidates began recruiting donors, several reached out to Hsu. But in an interview with The Washington Post in July, Hsu said he had no doubts where he would land. "I committed myself [to Clinton] way before she announced," he said. "No caution at all. I told her I would support her."

The Clinton campaign stood by Hsu until the Los Angeles Times reported his outstanding arrest warrant. At that point, the campaign reversed course, announcing it would donate to charity the $23,000 in direct contributions Hsu made to Clinton's presidential campaign, her Senate reelection bid and her political action committee. The campaign does not plan to return any money Hsu raised from other donors.

Political researcher Alice Crites contributed to this report.

 

[THE KOD]

:00hour :00hour :00hour

 

[djv]

No big deal to folks that have raised over 50 million. Who can't throw back 30/40 g's. And to think we will never know about the other 20 candidates. Anyone who thinks we got folks with clean hands lives in a bubble.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Hilliary not new to this game DJV--

Will 2000 fund-raiser scam bite Hillary?
Promoter of star-studded event who's now serving time tells all

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: November 19, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern



? 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

The man who organized a star-studded Hollywood gala to benefit then-first lady Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign has authored a riveting account of his life among the rich and famous, shining the light on members of the would-be presidential candidate's staff and the Democratic standard bearer herself.

Aaron Tonken, who quickly became a friend to top celebrities after once living in an L.A. homeless shelter, penned the last portion of his tell-all book, "King of Cons: Exposing the Dirty, Rotten Secrets of the Washington Elite and Hollywood Celebrities," from behind bars. Part of his story includes what he considers a betrayal by government officials ? which occurred after copping a plea and cooperating with the feds' investigation into fund-raising impropriety.


The probe is centered around a huge Hollywood bash Tonken put together in just a month in the summer of 2000. Billed as a tribute to President Clinton, the event doubled as a high-dollar fund-raiser for Hillary's Senate campaign.

Writes Tonken about the event: "All this police presence because of my party, because President William Jefferson Clinton was coming. I was the one who had made it all happen. No one else. Me, a high-school dropout from a small northern Michigan town who, not long ago, had been living in an L.A. homeless shelter."




Tonken had lined up A-list performers for the event, including Cher, Patti LaBelle, Sugar Ray, Toni Braxton, Melissa Etheridge, Michael Bolton, Paul Anka and Diana Ross.

Tonken, 34 at the time of the 2000 fund-raiser, basked in his new role, never imaging he'd be facing down government investigators within a couple of years.

Writes Tonken in describing the departure of the Clintons the night of the gala: "Just before they got into the limo, I handed the president gifts from me, Stan Lee and Peter Paul: for him, a custom humidor and a handmade gold watch worth tens of thousands; for Hillary, a necklace that cost eight grand. The first lady disliked it and later sent it back.

"Before my car arrived, I had my last fond glimpses of this gathering of the rich and famous. I watched them drive off into the night. I may have been the ultimate outsider growing up, but not any more. Now I was in, and they were my people.

"But not for long. In less than three years I'd be busted. Instead of chronicling my stunning successes, Variety's Army Archerd would be writing about my criminal misdeeds; I'd be talking not to presidents and movie stars, but to the FBI and other federal agencies, handing over more than two dozen boxes of letters, e-mails, receipts and invoices, cooperating as the government pursued a multifaceted investigation into the corruption that lay hidden behind all the glitter."

Tonken's narrative takes a fascinating look at how political and charitable fund-raising intermingles with the fast-paced image-conscious world of Hollywood celebrities ? and what kind of trouble an eager but ignorant promoter can find himself in.

"There's nothing movie stars love more than hobnobbing with political stars, and many politicians are suckers for Hollywood dazzle. It's harder to keep them apart than to bring them together," Tonken explains in his new book.

Tonken pleaded guilty last year to one count of mail fraud and one count of wire fraud in hopes of ultimately getting a lesser prison sentence. Instead, he was sentenced to 63 months in prison and ordered to pay $3.79 million to donors and event underwriters whom he bilked.

In what Tonken calls "a personal Ponzi scheme," he was convicted of fraudulently diverting hundreds of thousands of dollars from charities to pay his own debts.

Tonken also has been targeted by California Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer, who sued him and some former business partners for defrauding donors.

As Tonken explains in "King of Cons," much of the money he mishandled went back to celebrities in the form of lavish gifts, chartered jets and other favors ? what he considers shake-downs, pure and simple.

"Money, money, money," he writes. "I always made so much for other people, never for myself. And I spent and spent. Borrowed and borrowed. My finances were messier than a plane wreck."

He clearly implicates David Rosen, a key staffer of Hillary's:

"David Rosen, Hillary Clinton's director of finance, worked out of our offices and knew about every dime that was being spent. More than that, he participated in the spending."

As WorldNetDaily reported last month, Rosen is the target of a criminal probe of fund-raising violations and at the time was before a grand jury.

The FBI says Rosen has been fingered by indicted businessman Peter Paul, who alleges the Clintons defrauded him in connection with the 2000 gala.

In his account of his dealings with Hillary, Tonken mentions how grateful she had been to him for all his help with her campaign. But how much did she know about the financial skullduggery?

"One thing about Hillary, she was very attentive to the little details," he writes. "I believe she is genuinely considerate in that way. The very next day [after the Hollywood fund-raiser], she sent me a thank-you note, partially handwritten, in which she said: 'Your ongoing support of my Senate candidacy is especially important to me, and I am grateful for your continued friendship.'

"Take a good, long look at the first half of that last sentence. I did, and it made me wonder: Did she really know what was going on? I think David Rosen knew; I think [longtime aide] Kelly Craighead knew; I think [fund-raiser] Jim Levin knew. But Hillary? It was very possible that they hid it from her. In a way, that was their job. Protect the candidate.

"That was all about to change."

Tonken later writes he explained what he was doing and how to the Senate candidate while the two were alone briefly in a van during a day of campaigning in L.A.:

"I'd spent odd moments alone with [Hillary] before, primarily in the evening at the White House. But this was my real shot to talk to her with no one else around, and what I wanted was to let her know how much I admired her, how much I was behind her, and most important, what I had already done for her. It was, quite by accident, the moment of truth. ?

"I told her about virtually every penny I'd spent on her behalf. I let her know what I was doing and had done for each event of hers. I spoke about the money and what a pleasure and honor it was to spend it on her candidacy for the U.S. Senate.

"Once and for all, I wanted it clear in her mind who was the person really doing things for her. There was so much jockeying for position among those around her: Kelly, David, Jim Levin, and so on. People taking credit for stuff. I thought I might have been short-changed, and I wanted to correct that.

"I believed that once she knew the facts, she would see how valuable I was to her and welcome me into her inner circle. The whole thing was intended to be solely for my benefit. I never wanted to hurt her. I could tell she wasn't entirely comfortable with this conversation, and yet I couldn't stop. It wasn't until much later that I fully realized what I had done. Whatever protection her staff had built around her, however much in the dark they had kept her, that was over.

"Now she knew."

Further implicating Rosen, Tonken writes of how he would run his schemes by the finance director and would routinely get the go-ahead.

Writes Tonken: "Since I had only a passing acquaintance with campaign-finance law. If there was any question in my mind, I'd call David. The problem was, whenever I asked for advice he would invariably laugh off my concerns and say, 'Don't worry. Just raise as much as possible. Just keep at it.'

"Here's an example: I came up with what I thought was a great idea to make it look as though support were coming from a lot of little donors, instead of one big one. I proposed that [Democratic donor] Cynthia [Gershman] would write a check for 40 grand, which she was willing to do, and I would run it through one of my accounts and emerge with cash and started giving it out in one-thousand- or two-thousand-dollar chunks to 20 or 30 people. They would then turn around and write personal checks of their own for the same amount, and that would be 'their' contribution. Sounded good to me, but when I presented it to David he laughed for about three minutes straight. When we got down to it, though, he told me to go ahead.

"I should have been suspicious when he added, 'Just don't tell anyone.' Later, he would pull me aside at Spago and re-emphasize the point: I was to keep that little trick of mine quiet, 'very quiet.'"

Tonken also writes of Rosen's concern about expenses, telling the author to "get rid" of receipts related to fund-raiser expenditures.

"What we want is the appearance that expenses were minimal," Tonken says Rosen told him.

A 2002 FBI affidavit backs up Tonken's account:

"The [2000 Hillary event's] costs exceeded $1 million, but the required forms filed by New York Senate 2000 ... months after the event incorrectly disclosed that the cost of the event was only $523,000," the affidavit reads. "It appears that the true cost of the event was deliberately understated in order to increase the amount of funds available to New York Senate 2000 for federal campaign activities."

Tonken's book tells how he continued to do his job after federal agents contacted him about cooperating with their probe.

"Month after month this investigation went on," he writes." My life began to seem surreal. Here I was, doing charity events where there was fraud involved; continuing to expand my political contacts, fielding telephone calls from President Clinton, the first lady and Gerald Ford; and at the same time being enmeshed in an FBI probe.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

Would you say that this is a bigger story than Ken Lay's relationship with George W Bush? I'd say no, but that's just me.

Keep digging up dirt on nobodys.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Would you like the biggest story on campaign corruption--Gary

This is the mildest report on the grand daddy of all from wikipedia--read this report and give me your thoughts if you would please--
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

a few samples of contents--

Twenty-two people were eventually convicted for fraud or for funneling Asian funds into the United States elections. A number of the convictions came against longtime Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees.

The most significant one-time illegal foreign contribution was a $460,000 donation by Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie to President Bill Clinton's legal defense fund. The donation was made by delivery of an envelope containing $460,000 in $1,000 contributions, some on sequentially numbered money orders made out in different names but with the same handwriting.[9]

After questions arose regarding Charlie Trie's fund-raising activities during Congressional investigations in late 1996, he left the country for the PRC.[10] Trie returned to the U.S. in 1998 and was convicted and sentenced to three years probation and four months home detention for violating federal campaign finance laws by making political contributions in someone else's name and for causing a false statement to be made to the Federal Election Commission (FEC).[12]

In February 1996, Trie brought Wang Jun, chairman of CITIC, the chief investment arm of the PRC, and Poly Technologies (a "front company for the PRC military"[13][14] that was later charged with smuggling 2,000 AK-47s into the U.S.), to a White House "coffee"N-[2] with the president.[15][16] President Clinton later admitted Wang's attendance at the White House was "clearly inappropriate."[17][18] According to Clinton, the event attended by Wang was a small group discussion with people from "different walks of life."

A close business associate of Ron Brown testified in court in 1998 that Brown had told her that Commerce Department trade missions were used for partisan political fund-raising at the behest of President Clinton and the First Lady. Specifically, she said trade mission plane seats were sold to business people who gave at least $50,000 each to the DNC.[23]

A Commerce Department official reportedly threw away official government documents concerning the department's trade missions to China after a judge ordered they be turned over to Judicial WatchN-,[3] a conservative government watchdog group. According to the court: "No adequate explanation has been given as to why these documents were destroyed." Furthermore, the judge said: "[the Department's] misconduct in this case is so egregious and so extensive that... the agency [should be held] fully accountable for the serious violations that it appears to have deliberately committed".[24]
Ron Brown, who had been under investigation for fraud and bribery allegations, died in a plane crash in Croatia in April 1996.[25]

Between 1994 and 1996, Chung donated $366,000 to the DNC. Eventually, all of the money was returned. Chung told federal investigators that $35,000 of the money he donated came from Liu Chaoying and, in turn, China's military intelligence.[26]

Specifically, Chung testified under oath to the U.S. House Committee investigating the issue in May 1999 that he was introduced to Chinese Gen. Ji Shengde,N-[4] then the head of Chinese military intelligence, by Liu Chaoying. Chung said that Ji told him: "We like your president very much. We would like to see him reelect [sic]. I will give you 300,000 U.S. dollars. You can give it to the president and the Democrat Party."[28] Both Liu and the Chinese government denied the claims.[29]

Chung was eventually convicted of bank fraud, tax evasion, and two misdemeanor counts of conspiring to violate election law.[30] Chung asserts that, after his guilty plea, the Chinese government attempted to assassinate him with "hit squads" three times, but the efforts were foiled by the FBI.[31]

[edit] John Huang, James Riady and Lippo Group

John Huang (center) with Bill Clinton, James Riady (right), and Clinton aide Mark Middleton (with back to camera) in the Oval OfficeJohn Huang (pronounced "Hw?[ng]"), was another major figure convicted. Born in 1945 in Nanping, Fujian, Huang and his father fled to Taiwan at the end of the Chinese Civil War before he eventually emigrated to the United States in 1969. A former employee of the Indonesian company Lippo Group's Lippo Bank and its owners Mochtar Riady and his son James (whom Huang first met along with Bill Clinton at a financial seminar in Little Rock, Arkansas in 1980), Huang became a key fund-raiser within the DNC in 1995. While there, he raised $3.4 million for the party. Nearly half had to be returned when questions arose regarding their source during later investigations by Congress.[32]

According to U.S. Secret Service logs, Huang visited the White House 78 times while working as a DNC fund-raiser.[33] James Riady visited the White House 20 times (including 6 personal visits to President Clinton).[34]

Immediately prior to joining the DNC, Huang worked in President Clinton's Commerce Department as deputy assistant secretary for international economic affairs. His position made him responsible for Asia-U.S. trade matters. He was appointed to the position by President Clinton in December 1993. His position at the Commerce Department gave him access to classified intelligence on China. While at the department, it was later learned, Huang met 9 times with Chinese embassy officials in Washington D.C. The reasons for the meetings were never learned.[16]

[edit] Maria Hsia and Hsi Lai Temple
A close business associate of John Huang and James Riady since 1988, Taiwan-born Maria Hsia (pronounced "Shy?") began her association with Al Gore the same year as well. The association began after Hsia sent the then-senator a letter inviting him to come visit Taiwan: "If you decide to join this trip, I will persuade all my colleagues in the future to play a leader [sic] role in your presidential race..."[38]

Gore went, and the two began an eight-year relationship. Gore said his dealings with Hsia were strictly business in nature, but, at least at one point, Gore sent a letter to Hsia and Howard Hom (a business partner of Hsia) for support during a serious injury of Gore's son, Albert, writing "Thanks! You two are very special friends."[38]

Their relationship came to an end when she was charged with money-laundering in early 1998. The Justice Department alleged Hsia facilitated $100,000 in illegal contributions to the 1996 Clinton-Gore reelection campaign through her efforts at the Hsi Lai Temple in California. Hsia was eventually convicted by a jury in March 2000.[39] The Democratic National Committee eventually returned the money donated by the Temple's monks and nuns. Twelve nuns and employees of the Temple refused to answer questions by pleading the Fifth Amendment when they were subpoenaed to testify before Congress.[40] Two other Buddhist nuns admitted destroying lists of donors and other documents related to the controversy because they felt the information would embarrass the Temple. A Temple-commissioned videotape of the fund raiser also went missing and the nuns' attorney claimed it may have been shipped off to Taiwan.[41] Vice President Gore said he had no idea the Temple meeting was financial in nature:

just the tip of iceberg Garry--

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Update--that ironically ties in with above--which there didn't seem to be any comments on

Clintons to Return $850,000 in Hsu FundsSen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign dramatically severed all ties to disgraced fundraiser Norman Hsu, announcing Monday night it will return more than $850,000 he raised from some 260 donors.

Clinton's campaign, one of several Democratic committees that Hsu raised money for or donated to, also has decided to increase its screening of major fund-raisers, requiring them to submit to the extraordinary additional step of a criminal background check, campaign aides said.

Hsu, an apparel businesman, fell from grace earlier this month after it was revealed he was a fugitive in a 15-year-old criminal case in California. On Monday, the Los Angeles Times reported he also is under investigation in connection with recent business dealings.

Clinton's campaign decided more than a week ago to return some $23,000 Hsu personally donated to her various campaigns. After learning of a Los Angeles Times report that the FBI was investigating Hsu, Clinton on Monday personally ordered her campaign to return all the money he has raised, a senior aide said.

"Mr. Hsu donated to numerous charities and more than two dozen candidates and committees," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said. "Despite conducting a thorough review of public records, our campaign like others were unaware of Mr. Hsu's decade-plus old warrant.

"To help ensure agsint this type of situation in the future, our campaign will also institute vigorous additional vetting procedures on our bundlers, including criminal background checks," Wolfson added. "In any instances where a source of a bundler's income is in question, the campaign will take affirmative steps to verify its origin."

The dramatic return of all Hsu-raised donations was aimed at ending a controversy that awakened comparisons to Bill Clinton's 1990s fund-raising scandal and renewed scrutiny of others major fund-raisers and donors inside Sen. Clinton's presidential campaign.Sen. Clinton "simply didn't want to have to keep answering questions about a bundler whose background is now clearly in question," a senior adviser said, speaking only on condition of anonymity.

The move also is likely to increase the pressure on other Democratic candidates to give back not only the money Hsu donated but also the money he raised.

The Washington Post reported last week that Hsu helped host a fund-raiser for Barack Obama's political action committee back in 2005. The Democratic senatorial fundraising commitee acknowledged Hsu raised money for it, too, and the Democratic National Committee dislosed Hsu helped arrange an event with Party Chairman Howard Dean and prospective donors last month, just one day before the first news stories surfaced about Hsu's background surfaced

 

[Chadman]

Just curious...what is the point of bringing all this up? Are you proposing some kind of solution to the problem of corruption in politics? Should Hillary not be allowed to run for President now? Should Bush have been removed from office when donators to his campaign were prosecuted for various crimes? Should we require something in particular from our candidates from office in regards to these situations?

Are you proposing some kind of campaign finance reform? Some penalty for candidates who have accepted money from convicted felons - no matter what the felony? What felonies would be counted against the candidates? Etc?

Just asking. I know what you're bringing it up...because you've had to defend it for years now. But let's get this out in the open. Are you just saying that Hillary and Bill play the same game the Bush and Cheney does - and did? If so, should all of them be forced to deal with these issues in a more "difficult" manner?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

the point I'm trying to make is--

no quid pro quo--AGAIN

I guess you haven't figured out yet who sold our miltary secerts to China for cash--have you.

Maybe you like to see whitehouse once again rented out to the highest bidder--regardless of consequence.

 

[Chadman]

Maybe you like to see whitehouse once again rented out to the highest bidder--regardless of consequence.

Believe me, I have watched this for the past 6 plus years in never seen before levels, so I know exactly what you mean.

I can't believe this would be the tack you would take on this subject, but I am rarely surprised by the content of some posters.

 

[kosar]

I guess you haven't figured out yet who sold our miltary secerts to China for cash--have you.

You mean sharing technology? Like we are doing now with India and their nuclear program? India, who did not sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. Oh, Iran did sign it, by the way and they have not violated it. Is it any wonder why certain countries hate us so much?

As always with you, Wayne, what's good for the goose is NEVER good for the gander.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Evidently you missed the tip of the iceberg on Chinagate above--

maybe you could tell us who in this admin has been caught selling secrets for cash--had over 25 people convicted in sceme and had 5times that many that many fled country to avoid testifying or pleaded the 5th--

During the investigation by the Department of Justice, about 120 people connected to "Chinagate" either fled the country or pleaded the Fifth Amendment to prevent testifying.

When you've had enough on this topic-
we might move on to Hilliary and Peter Paul--

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Paul v Hilllary R. Clinton et al: Holding Hillary Clinton Accountable Under Oath For the Fraud That Elected her to the US Senate.


Hillary Treasurer Grossman Admits Filing False FEC Reports Hiding Peter Paul's $1.2 Million Contribution
The FEC has formally determined that Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign treasurer, Andrew Grossman is legally responsible for the three false FEC reports that Hillary's finance director, David Rosen, was criminally charged and tried for in mid-2005. Mr. Grossman signed a "Conciliation Agreement" with the FEC on December 13, 2005, admitting his culpability, and agreeing to pay a civil fine and amend his false reports to reflect the $721,000 that he failed to report since October, 2000.

This admission of responsibility by Hillary Clinton's campaign treasurer comes after FIVE years of denials and deceptions by Hillary's staff and her campaign officials, beginning with Hillary spokesman Howard Wolfson's false statements to the Washington Post days after Event 39 was produced and paid for by Paul in August 2000, and proceeding through false testimony given at the trial of finance director David Rosen for the offenses that Grossman is now taking responsibility for!

On December 29, 2005, the FEC notified Peter Paul that it had concluded its 4 1/2 year investigation into his complaint regarding Hillary Clinton's false reports to the FEC which intentionally hid his identity as her largest contributor and the full amount of his more than $1.2 million cash in-kind contributions to her 2000 Senate campaign.

The FEC found "there was probable cause to believe New York Senate 2000 and Andrew Grossman, in his official capacity as treasurer, violated 2 U.S.S Sec 434(b) of the Federal Election Camp[aign Act of 1971 and 11 C.F.R. Sec 102(c)(8)(i)(A). On December 13, 2005, a conciliation agreement signed by Andrew Grossman was accepted by the Commission.."




This amounts to a civil indictment of Hillary's Joint Fundraising Committee and its treasurer for filing false FEC reports for Hillary Clinton. Grossman's agreement with this finding of probable cause by the FEC, that he did file false reports that hid more than $720,000 in contributions made by Peter Paul to Hillary's campaign, amounts to his admission to violating the criminal statute Title 18 Sec 1001, making false statements to government agencies, which Hillary's finance director David Rosen was indicted and tried for in May,2005.

Hillary must now be compelled to explain why, as a candidate who was notified that false reports had been filed by her campaign relating to the largest contribution to her campaign and the identity of her largest donor, she refused to cause the false reports to be amended or footnoted, and why she allowed yet a third false report to be filed by Grossman weeks after she received various sworn pleadings and statements accompanied by checks and invoices.

This third false report, made in direct response to an inquiry by the FEC regarding earlier reports on Event 39- the Hollywood Farewell Gala Salute to President Clinton - was clearly an intentional false statement made with wanton disregard for its truthfulness, with the full knowledge, complicity and collusion of Hillary Clinton and her counsel, David Kendall. (This fact is confirmed by the affidavit of service of process of the civil suit Paul v Hillary R Clinton et al filed on June 18, 2001 and served on David Kendall on July 11, 2001).

Hillary will attempt to spin the finding by the FEC as an exoneration of her other Senate campaign committee and herself, because she was not found to be liable under FEC law. She will not refer to the fact that the FEC has no jurisdiction over Title 18 of the US Code. Her potential criminal liability based on Title 18, for aiding and abetting, conspiring, colluding with and misprisoning Mr Grossman's filing of material false statements to the FEC and the IRS, and then obstructing the federal investigation of those actions that led to the indictment and prosecution of her finance director, is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the Justice Department.

Considering the accountability of others like Lewis Libby for misleading government investigators about a non-crime, the voters of New York should demand a further investigation into Hillary's own conduct in hiding the identity and the amount donated by her largest contributor from the voters before her election, and then from the government agencies after the election..

When the FEC publishes all the documents supporting their findings within 45 days, and when NY Senate 2000 is forced to finally amend its false FEC reports as provided in the Conciliation Agreement, the truth will be there for even the blind to see.

The landmark civil suit Paul v Clinton et al begins the discovery phase in early 2006, after the California Supreme Court denied David Kendall's appeals to dismiss the case against both Clintons. The testimony under oath by the multitude of witnesses to Hillary's misconduct wil challenge Hillary and Bill to tell the truth in their own depositions or face the prospect of new perjury charges even more serious than those that emanated from Paula Jones' deposition of Bill.

Its now up to the people to ensure that the Justice Department follows through with this finding by the FEC that it was Grossman not Rosen who acted for Hillary to file material false statements about more than $1.2 million in contributions to Hillary's Senate campaign.

Posted by Peter Paul on January 4, 2006 06:09 PM | Permalink