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Hi everyone,

This has been a nice little discussion - obviously I can see some think it's a joke and don't agree - but it's ok to disagree w/ me if you don't believe it works. My main point is this - don't overthink yourself and don't approach betting NFL as seeing Indy favored by 9.5 and just thinking "wow they should really beat Denver easily by 10 or more this weekend" - try to understand why the line might be set at Indy -9.5. Usually if you see 80% of the public betting this and line keeps hanging around that it's good to take the underdog. Now I'm not saying year in and out to just take every underdog every week of the year. I did point out home dogs because they have done very well. If you consistently look to side w/ the minority - and this is often the side of the underdog you will make money - plain and simple. Most people that disagree with me probably prefer to play the favorites or just don't want to believe that there is an easier and better way to play the NFL games. I know what I bring home at the end of every year and in the long run - and the point of this thread was to share that to help others who may not be doing as well change their thinking to become a long run winner. Some people are stubborn and refuse to believe there are better ways to bet the NFL. Nobody has to take the advice, but I thought I'd share what has worked for me and will continue to work.

Now regarding 2005 - i wanted to address this - yes I believe faves covered in the 58-60% range that year and it was the highest rate if you simply bet every favorite in the last 20 years...i remember last year digging into historical data and i believe only 3 of the last 20 years the faves hit at a higher percent had you bet every single one. So that means 17 of the last 20 years if you bet every underdog that you would have covered at a higher rate than the favorites. Now I do encourage playing underdogs selectively. Someone brought up that at end of 1 year, or two years or 3 years that dogs and faves cover equally - this is not true. This post also is dealing with SIDES and not TOTALS. I know it's hard for some to believe that "all you have to do is bet underdogs" - but it truely works - if you selectively play high percentage dog plays each week. The highest percentage historically have been HOME DOGS - this is a fact. Now I think that's pretty powerful that over a large sample of 20 years that the dogs have dominated 17 of the 20 years ATS...and this is just if you bet EVERY underdog. Those years where underdogs cover 53% and favorites 47% don't look to be that impressive, but if you can become seletive and spot a good live dog you should be able to win in that 55-57% range...

Now there will be years - possibly even this year - or in the future where you'll have a year like 2005 where favorites cover and joe public cleans up - i liken this to the stock market - in the history about 1 in every 4 years is a losing year for the market - and 3 of 4 years the market goes up...now I invest heavily in the stock market as well and some years are just tough to make money - same as those years where the favorites cover high % happen then you'll probably lose if you play mostly dogs...but in the sports market in 3 of the last 20 years faves covered more - those would have been bad years using my approach, but you more than make up for the losing years w/ all the winning years where dogs dominate...

Anyways discussions like these are good - it sure beats some of the bashing that occurs from time to time - we should all be looking to share what works if you are successful at betting sports & try to help each other out - if I've helped even one individual to change their thinking and become a winner, then this post was worthwhile...as always i wish you the best in whatever you play...
 

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all good stuff. people will take what they want from it, but i understand what you're trying to provide.

all this helps in trying to decypher winners, along with other objective analysis, and our own "hunches".

football handicapping isn't a science.

along the same lines, one point of reference i can offer is finding a "dog" where the betting consensus supports its. in many cases - (not all, again other handicapping strategies apply) this consensus dog, will get blown out. (detroit vs philly fits this bill last week).

thanks for taking the time.

good luck to you.
 

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posted a little bit a while back but dont have the time anymore with family obligations. But i had to reply to this thread. My question to this post is : WHY BET THE NFL AT ALL. I know i am going to get alot of slack about that statement but why bet hard earned money on a team that you dont know is even going to win the game., let alone put the pointspread into play. Ques for the members how many of you play a pool every week to pick nfl winners with no pointspreads. how many people do you know that had a perfect ticket. not many im guessing. Its hard enough to pick the straight up winner. i guess what im trying to say is that if you bet the nfl dont even look at the pointsreads because it doesnt matter pick the winner of the game fav or dog and more times than not you will have a winner.. I dont know the exact % but the pointspread comes into play very few times a week. wk2 was the exception not the rule. sorry about the rant college foots is much easier to handicapp imo

johnny -

i understand what you're saying, but i think a perfect example is to look at the posters here. you have some that post in both ncaa and nfl, but you have many who post in one or the other on a more consistent basis.

i bet both, but have found it easier to keep my grips around 32 teams rather than 100+. i concur - nfl is the "three ring circus" of gambling. some weeks i should sit here with popcorn and cotton candy watching the BS that can happen in the nfl. i'd even go so far as to say the more talented handicapping is done in cfb and cbb, but with enough experience, and the right approach, i know pro foots can be profitable.
 

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johnny4675;1833828 i guess what im trying to say is that if you bet the nfl dont even look at the pointsreads because it doesnt matter pick the winner of the game fav or dog and more times than not you will have a winner.. [/QUOTE said:
I know you didn't mean it to sound this way, but what you're saying here is that if you "pick the winner of the game, favorite or dog, more times than not......................you'll HAVE the winner".
 

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I just wanted to post something here early in the week as I think that this Week 4 is setup nicely for the books to make out big time. I already see alot pouncing what appear to be "easy" lines and "easy" money. Now my NFL handicapping style is quite simple, and your's should be as well. Don't get caught up thinking "Indy is a great team and they should crush Houston this week" - that is how I believe most Joe Public bets the NFL. They always look at who "should" win and therefore cover. I say win and cover because most games Joe Public likes the fave and therefore lays whatever the number, and this number often continues to rise a bit near kickoff. Personally i rarely ever bet a game early in the week, because I'm almost 90% of the time on an underdog if I play an NFL game. What I'm about to show you might show you why I do so. Often it takes me a matter of minutes each week to "handicap" my plays.

Before I go on w/ my lengthy post let me just say this first - this is not a post meant to brag about my accomplishments and success in sports betting - but a friendly post meant to help others learn a new perspective aobut how to be the games. You will not win every week using these methods - you will not lose every week using these methods - but i have won in the long run using these methods. I really feel this post will benefit alot of people and might change even a few people into "training their brain" how to think like a successful sports bettor - I hope you enjoy the post...let me also say that it took me a while to truely understand what I am about to talk about myself - it took losing to really understand how to win at this animal called sports betting - but i learned from my losses and trained my brain to spot the "right side" more times than not - often i find myself in the minority on plays - as the sports books do - it seems like when 90% of people are on a play - i'm on the 10% side - the side the sportsbook needs to come in - and more often than not that side does come in - sportsbooks win - and I WIN! You can too - keep reading!

Now instead of spending countless hours trying to figure out this darn league called the National Football League - take this approach for a change. It's what I've used for years and year in and out I walk away w/ a nice profit. I take each week as it comes - don't get me wrong I have winning weeks and i have losing weeks, but in the long run i'm ahead and that's all that matters...now each week we are faced w/ 14-16 games to choose from in the NFL - depending on if teams have bye weeks or not. This week starts byes so first 3 weeks of season we have 16 games a week. Now we should all agree on this point - the sports books ALWAYS - i repeat ALWAYS make money in the long run. This is a fact. Can sportsbooks lose on any given week - YES - can they win on any given week - YES. This is the same as you and I - we can win or lose on any given week. Now i'm not gonna go into countless hours of preaching money management, though I do manage my money extremely well, and after a bad week i don't chase to get it all back and after a good week i don't throw it all on the MNF game to go for a huge week. I've learned the importance of winning over the LONG RUN. I've been betting sports for several years and have a knack for turning a profit each year - my friends think i'm the "luckiest guy" and blah blah - truth is alot of them play the games but just don't understand sports betting. To get ahead in this game you really need to understand WHY the line is set at the number it is.

Most people seem to think the books want and get 50/50 action - we all know this doesn't happen and you can look at all those consensus sites - on any given Sunday you'll see nearly every game have about a 70/30 split - most often weighted on the favorite - now totals you'll see a similar split on a lean to the "OVER" by most - now for the sake of focusing on SIDES and not TOTALS let's not discuss over/unders here - I want to talk about how relatively simple it is to bet the NFL focusing on SIDES. It's an approach i've used week in and out and at the end of the day "the man" is usally in my pocket...

Now this is how I approach a week - we all know that the lines come out for the next weeks games Sunday evening. I know alot start jumping on games right away - and if you like to bet a fave that you feel will only rise, then yeah that's when you have to get in on the number - see the truth is though i will usually glance at the lines out of curiosity of what they are set at. I truely believe this though - that the lines are set so that majorit Joe Public will psychologically be screwed - by that i mean the average sports fan/bettor - whatever - will look at these lines and automatically they will lean to the side that will ultimately benefit the sports books in the end - translation - Joe Public is "hypnotized" into taking the WRONG side. Week in and out there are so many "EASY" and "OBVIOUS" games out there. It's almost like it looks like the books will be giving away money this weekend. Yet at the end of the week, when it's all said and done, people are swearing, saying how unlucky they are - and the sports books are laughing all the way to the bank. Don't let this happen to you!

So understand that each week when I see the lines I'm not looking at them like "wow Indy is ONLY favored by 6.5 points on the road at Houston - and Andre Johnson - their best player - isn't even playing - wow how can Houston possibly keep up with Indy" - i can't tell you how many people I saw thought that this week - now this week there were 3 games that people really seemed to be all over - Indy -6.5, San Diego -5.5, and Carolina -4...the first thing I look at each week is who are the home dogs and how many home dogs are there - I saw just 3 this week - and you know what - i took all 3 this week - what was the result - Indy wins by 6, Green Bay wins outright, and Carolina wins by 7 - still 2 wins, 1 loss - 66.7% - and more money in my pocket...how long did that take to handicap - about 5 minutes.

Now you might say - well why would you just take those 3 home dogs? I mean what is my "reasoning" for taking a crappy team like Atlanta +4, a team that has lost their best player in Andre Johnson - you know the "flukey" 2-0 Houston Texans and the +6.5 - and shouldn't this "Super Bowl Contender" San Diego Chargers let loose on that overrateed Packers - i mean LT should run wild right? They should EASILY cover 5.5 right? I simply called "the man" and said "i'd like a dime each on Houston, Green Bay, and Atlanta - thank you!

The week before last I spent about 20 minutes looking at the Week 2 lines for the 8 early games -it appeared as if every favorite had a line that was inflated or "wrong" - some of the favorites seemed so easy - 3 of the home dogs seemed like they had no chance in hell to win - so i called up the man - said "i'll take all 8 underdogs in the early games - dime on each" - thank you - end result 7 wins, 1 loss - another payday - i felt pretty good when i was told i was the only one on Cleveland and Tampa Bay - and in the minority on Tennesse - the 3 early home dogs - well 2 won outright, other one covered - who says you have to play a game because "team A should beat team B because blah blah" - i simply read in between the "lines"...

After years of doing this and repeatedly seeing people say the NFL is the toughest sport to handicap - i disagree - it's the easiest...you just have to know HOW to bet the NFL. Rule #1 i have - ALWAYS EXPECT THE UNEXPECTED TO HAPPEN. Because let's face it - it always does. I truely believe these lines are set so that it's nearly impossible to logically pick who should win and cover. I mean 2 weeks ago - how could anyone LOGICALLY think that the Browns would beat the Bengals? Or this week how could Houston LOGICALLY cover versus Indy? Indy should blow them out right? Or how could the PATHETIC GIANTS stay in the game and beat Washington - i mean shouldn't Washington score at will and Washington's STINGY Defense stop them? Wrong - Giants win outright. YOU CAN'T HANDICAP THIS!!! When you look at a line like Chargers -3.5 - i mean an AFC powerhouse going to Green Bay who is a flukey 2-0 right (or so most believe) - and the public keeps pounding and pounding SD and the line moves to 4, 4.5, 5, and ends at 5.5 - i mean everyone must be right - right? WRONG...it takes balls to take teams like Atlanta and Green Bay and Houston last week - and it's SO EASY to do this - all you have to do is read THE LINE - don't get caught up in San Diego is 14-2 ATS against NFC opponents or this team is 8-0 ATS last 8 times they played this team - the long run answer to winning lies in READING THE LINES.

Now here are a few interesting stats through the first week of the 3 weeks of the season:

*Week 1 the home teams have gone 10-6 SU
*Week 2 the home teams have gone 10-6 SU
*Week 3 the home teams have gone 10-6 SU

This means that home teams have simply won 30 of the 48 games straight up - which is 62.5% of the time.

* Underdogs have gone 25W-17L-6T for the season - that is 59.5% - had you simply played EVERY underdog, you are winning at nearly 60% - which means FAVORITES are only covering around 40% thus far!

Now what is really interesting is when you break down the HOME UNDERDOGS! Yes, these pathetic little teams like the Browns, Packers, Falcons, Titans catching points - well here are some HOME UNDERDOG FACTS:

*Week 1 there were 4 home underdogs which went 2-2 ATS
*Week 2 there were 5 home underdogs which went 4-1ATS
*Week 3 there were 3 home underdogs which went 2-1 ATS

So if you simply bet the 12 home underdogs you would be 8W-4L for 66.7%!

You see a trend here - because this happens nearly every year - but people fail to realize this...look at some of the key info i simply presented to you:

1) All UNDERDOGS covering at 60% right now
2) All HOME UNDERDGOS covering at 66.7%
3) This means ROAD FAVORITES covering at 33.3% and ALL FAVORITES covering at 33.3%

Yet what are most betting? FAVORITES! You know, the teams that should "win and cover" - these are teams that i see people continuously playing 6, 6.5, 7, 10 point teasers on - which i really want to address in another post sometime - because i see so many that seem to be in love w/ these monster teasers etc - just play the game separately YOU DON'T NEED THE EXTRA points if you try to approach the week like i do.

Anyways the trend as you can see is Underdogs - especially HOME UNDERDOGS are a trememndous long run bet. I have a few friends I taught this to - one doesn't even like sports - yet he simply looks at the lines every week in NFL, if it's a home underdog - he calls his man and bets the game. He just looks at the box score later on or in the morning - and by end of the year he's got his Christmas fund or extra cash to do whatever with.

Now about Week 4 - have you noticed what I have noticed? First off we have just 14 games this week - 4 teams are on bye. Go ahead, take a look and you will see this - 9 OUT OF THE 14 GAMES ARE HOME UNDERDOGS!!!!

Now remember what I just told you - each week so far 10 home teams have won and 6 home teams have lost - 62.5% of home teams are WINNING OUTRIGHT. So this week we have 9 of 14 games that are home underdogs - that's right GETTING POINTS! Now I'm not saying that 62.5% of these home teams will win outright every week of the year - but i'm telling you right now you will glance at the lines and think thoughts such as these:

1) Wow I would never bet on Atlant ever - Houston is only favored by 2.5 - easy money

2) Cleveland is brutal - Baltimore is only favored by 4.5 - they should steam roll cleveland

3) The Lions have no chance against that tough bears Defense

4) Wow Green Bay is 3-0 and only favored by 1.5 - Minnesota is terrible

5) Buffalo sucks - no way they beat the Jets

6) Seahawks only favored by 2 over 49ers - they should win easily

7) Steelers are awesome - they should crush Arizona by more than 6 easily

8) Didn't the Eagles just score 56 points? Wow only favored by 2.5 over the Giants - they are going to crush the Giants!

9) Nobody is going to beat the Patriots - and Cincinati has no defense - Pats by only 7 - that's too easy

Alright - hopefully you get the point - these are all comments i'm sure you'll here from the local office guy you work with at the water cooler - thoughts Joe Public is thinking as i write this. Remember - always expect the unexpected. There appear to be a ton of "easy" wins this week by the road favorites.

9 OF 14 games are HOME DOGS! If you approach games like me this is a week I look forward to. I've committed myself to playing every home dog this season, so I will be playing every home dog. I might win this week, i might lose. But i will not pass up a chance at high percentage plays. This week looks so easy for those "short road favorites" - yet at the end of the day, i'm willing to bet that some of these road teams will find out just how hard it is to win on the road in the NFL.

There is a reason that year in and out people look back and say "if only i'd just bet all the home underdogs". Yes everyone, sports betting can be profitable. It doesn't need to take up countless hours of handicapping the stats.

What you need to realize is this - the sports books make money in the long run. Sportsbooks do not get equal amounts of money on each game and just collect the vig. Almost every game has one side that is played more than the other - this tends to be the favored team. The books don't mind taking 70/30 action on games - as long as that 30% comes in enough to make them a huge profit. And it always does in the long run.

So when you see everyone jumping on an "easy win" - when you see 90% on this game and just can't see it possibly going down. Think again. Take the team that 10% is backing. A few weeks back one site showed about 5% backed Tampa Bay as a home dog vs. New Orleans, and 5% backed Cleveland as a home dog vs. Cincinatti - those were the 2 most lopsided games - and the books cleaned up on them. No stat sheet could logically tell you that. But beleive me it's good to be a contrarian and in the minority.

I know alot like to follow the popular play or the easy plays. We like to believe that San Diego last week was so superior to Green Bay and that laying 5.5 is no big deal. The truth is any time you are laying even 1 point in the NFL - it is a big deal. Laying "just 3 points" with a "better team" on the road looks so easy. I mean how can't the Eagles win by at least 3 right this weekend over the Giants? But you know what at the end of the day the Giants will probably win that game. And Atlanta will probably get their first win of the year. Is it logical? Heck no - that's why I believe they are the right side this weekend. I've just learned sometimes to not question things - I'm playing all 9 underdogs - 9 HOME DOGS! And next week if there are 4 HOME DOGS i'll play those. I do know one thing - at the end of the year when we look back at all the Home Dogs that the percentage that cover will be profitable.

As always I wish everyone the best of luck on their plays each week. Remember a few other rules I live by - only bet what you could afford to lose. Have a plan - a REASONABLE plan. If you have a $500 bankroll don't go making $100 wagers. Don't go into the week thinking you are going to turn $100 into $1,000. Take things slow - remember if you have a $500 bankroll and you win $40 for the week you just made 8% on your money in one day! Don't get greedy and expect 100-1000% returns week in and out. I know so many people who are happy w/ a 10% stock market return at the end of the year, and those same people start w/ a $1,000 bankroll and want to have $10,000 by end of the year. Now sure that can be done, but if that guy ends the year w/ $1,200 - he made 20% on his money - that "measley $200" profit is great - yet so many get greedy and look at that as a failure - always be happy w/ a profit no matter how big or small. And if you lose a little, as long as you are playing w/in your bankroll it shouldn't matter if you lose a few weeks in a row - keep grinding - this is a long term game here.

Best of luck to you all - I hope that you have a new perspective on how to bet the NFL. One thing to remember if a line looks too easy - and the "easy side" is a road favorite - take the home dog! Or pass on the game if you don't feel comfortable. But you know when I seem to have the most success? It's when i find a game that makes you so sick to your stomach to bet it - i mean do you think it was easy betting the Browns +7 or Tampa +4.5 against New Orleans a few weeks ago - on paper nobody could give these teams a chance to be close - that's usually when you have the golden nugget - a winner!

Remember this - most people who bet sports are going to lose, when percentages are heavy on one side - that is usually a long run loser. Side with the books. Don't fall into the psychological trap of betting on what "should happen" in the NFL - these lines are set to get the majority to take the bait - the wrong bait - the side of long run losers. Just take a step back - glance at the lines early on - look at them more on Saturday, and then again on Sunday - i usually wait as long as possible - since the side i'm on 90+% of the time is the underdog - usually a HOME UNDERDOG - 2 of the strongest words in the sports betting vocabulary - HOME & UNDERDOG = WINNER! Again all this i apply to the NFL only. Remember every extra half point and point count. Last week that Houston game i waited and got the +6.5 - game ended w/ Houston losing by 6 - waiting as long as i could turned what most had as a push into a winner.

Best of luck with the week - and remember to always expect the unexpected in the NFL - don't overthink the games - don't worry about the stats - the lines tell you everything you need to know! Good luck with your plays - again this isn't a one week wonder post - all the home dogs could go 0-9 this week and if so please don't bash too much, and if they go 9-0 please don't praise too much...just know that if you keep grinding it week in and out, and stay within your bankroll, you'll turn a nice profit by the end of the year...i'm already ahead of the game after 3 straight winning weeks, and you can be sure i won't be giving it back - always manage that money - and of course - have fun - life is too short to do anything but enjoy life - take care!

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I'ts a good read and thanks for taking the time to point that out. :toast:

I tend to look for lines that seem out of whack whether it be a home fav or a home dog = Buffalo/Jets this week. The Bills are a 3.5 pt dog but they will have a hard time covering 7 considering their situation. In fact, the only home dogs that I like this week are the Niners and maybe the Lions. This could be an "off-week" for the home dogs.
 

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so all i ever have to do is bet underdogs and double up on home underdogs???

who knew!


:mj07: Yeah, tell me about it!

Where to start, Save it...Do you have a massive chin and pearly white chompers, 'cause this is one hell of an info-mercial!! ;) ;)

Firstly, just about everyone who was on Indi last weekend had -5.5 so it was a winner...but I guess that's a moot point...you waited and won, some jumped early and won...

Most people seem to think the books want and get 50/50 action - we all know this doesn't happen and you can look at all those consensus sites - on any given Sunday you'll see nearly every game have about a 70/30 split - most often weighted on the favorite - now totals you'll see a similar split on a lean to the "OVER"

Well, yes, and no. Sure 70% of people might be on one side...doesn't in the least mean that 70% of money is on that side.

I mean 2 weeks ago - how could anyone LOGICALLY think that the Browns would beat the Bengals? Or this week how could Houston LOGICALLY cover versus Indy? Indy should blow them out right? Or how could the PATHETIC GIANTS stay in the game and beat Washington - i mean shouldn't Washington score at will and Washington's STINGY Defense stop them? Wrong - Giants win outright. YOU CAN'T HANDICAP THIS!!!

Actually, if you had have taken more than 5 minutes and looked a bit deeper than simply opening and closing lines, you'd have seen SD had done NOTHING offensively in the first 2 games...LT had one of the NFL's lowest y/rush...GB D has been quite good and the SD secondary had been shreaded.
All perfectly good, logical reasons to take GB (or at least not jump on SD)
And one thing we should know is to not trust big favs who can't defend well, Indi...that goes for Cinci too.
I was on Carolina -4 because Atlanta are crap. (being sarcastically simplistic here. There were of course many legit reasons to be on the road fav in this one.)
You CAN HANDICAP THIS!!

don't worry about the stats - the lines tell you everything you need to know!

Sorry, but that's just silly.
Because, one thing I do agree with you on is this...(just guessing at numbers here...) but imho upto 80% of casual NFL bettors (yes, whose "valued" opinions refelect off Concensus sites...)...wouldn't look at ANY stats at all before making their wagers.
And, yes, I agree that people simply look at lines and say, "oooh. Team X is FAR better than team Y, I'll take them to cover the spread"...

...but you must see you're in exactly the same boat?
You're freely admitting to not looking at stats, you're simply blindly taking home dogs.

My argument/point is this. Why limit yourself? Why box yourself into a corner by choosing only 1 possible bet?
Sure, most years home 'dogs come out in front. No problems...but every week perfectly logical favourites win games (public or otherwise)...every week overs come in.
I do believe about 75% of the "public" were on Dallas @ Miami too...76+% on Carolina last week.
75% on Pits in week 1. 67% on NE @ the Jets.
Nearly 80%! on Seattle (home favs admittedly)
What about big "public" dogs last week? 'Zona covered, but Detroit got spanked.

PICK INDIVIDUAL GAMES ON THEIR MERITS. Simple really.

[For the record so far I am 2-1 on with favs...one win being a road fav...1-1 on dogs...3-0 overs and 1-2 unders...and one 3 team teaser win involving favs and an under.]

Look, I'm just not sure exactly where you're coming from (well, I am, I just read 4000 words, most of them repeating over and over!)...but in a 25+ paragraph piece supposedly meant to 'save the masses', you've openly admitted you don't look at stats, and all you do is (again) blindly take home dogs.
No offense intended what-so-ever. You've been successful by effortlessly taking home dogs at all costs. I'm not arguing about your results, but could you not have saved yourself a couple of hours by typing the following sentence?:
Hi. I generally make a profit in NFL by exclusively taking home dogs.
Could you not have spent that time doing some actual research into games this weekend? :shrug:

I myself am on 2 road favs this week...Not because I'm following the masses, or because the line looks "too easy" (how can a 7 point road fav on Monday Night be "too easy?!!)...but because I think there are legitimate reasons for doing so.
Will they both win? Maybe not. Will you go 9-0? Probably not.
Will we both end up infront at the end of the season? Hopefully so.
Point being there is more than one way to bet the NFL (read: any sport!) :cool:
 
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Now regarding 2005 - i wanted to address this - yes I believe faves covered in the 58-60% range that year and it was the highest rate if you simply bet every favorite in the last 20 years...i remember last year digging into historical data and i believe only 3 of the last 20 years the faves hit at a higher percent had you bet every single one. So that means 17 of the last 20 years if you bet every underdog that you would have covered at a higher rate than the favorites. Now I do encourage playing underdogs selectively. Someone brought up that at end of 1 year, or two years or 3 years that dogs and faves cover equally - this is not true. This post also is dealing with SIDES and not TOTALS. I know it's hard for some to believe that "all you have to do is bet underdogs" - but it truely works - if you selectively play high percentage dog plays each week. The highest percentage historically have been HOME DOGS - this is a fact. Now I think that's pretty powerful that over a large sample of 20 years that the dogs have dominated 17 of the 20 years ATS...and this is just if you bet EVERY underdog. Those years where underdogs cover 53% and favorites 47% don't look to be that impressive, but if you can become seletive and spot a good live dog you should be able to win in that 55-57% range...


Not sure about 20 years, but I can go close.

From 1989 until now...All home dogs ATS: 692-626-50 (52.5%)

AND from 2002, (which obviously included 2005!) they are a losing proposition @ ATS: 150-162-10

'unders' are O/U: 2113-2184-79 since 1989 (50.8%) [But that's another story apparently...]

If we start to combine the two...since 1989, home dogs with a total of >42.5 are a dead-set even money @ ATS: 195-195-15 ...and at 44.5 they are back to being a bunch of losers @ ATS: 109-110-9 :D

I dunno, I guess we could go on forever...

...but in your first post you said "I've committed myself to playing every home dog this season, so I will be playing every home dog."

And that there's no reason to look at stats because the "lines do the work for you"...

...yet in your second post...Now I do encourage playing underdogs selectively. ...and...Those years where underdogs cover 53% and favorites 47% don't look to be that impressive, but if you can become seletive and spot a good live dog you should be able to win in that 55-57% range...

SO which is it? And is there any reason that if I'm equally as selective I can't hit 55% favs? :shrug:


Now we should all agree on this point - the sports books ALWAYS - i repeat ALWAYS make money in the long run.

...obviously, because most people will go a respectable (;)) 50/50...that 10% juice will do it.

In turn, by taking every home dog since 1989 you'd also be ~2-3% down. :com:
 
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Here's what I found for home dog records the last few years

2003 - 35-36-2
2004 - 36-41-2 ouch
2005 - 28-47-3 double ouch
2006 - 44-34-2
2007 - 7-4-1

Overall 150-162-10 not very good to say the least proving you shouldn't believe everything you read I guess. However your HD's have done well since 2006 but historically there is no evidence to support this home dog = money statement. As a matter of fact since 1997 to today this method would have cost you money at 395-366-32 ats that's -762 dollars for a 100 dollar bettor and 10 years of wasted time.

I'm not trying to bash you here just making a point. Readers should be aware of the long term results for statements like these, they're betting money on this so it's important to have the facts.

This statement is actually irresponsible IMO because it is totaly false:

the side i'm on 90+% of the time is the underdog - usually a HOME UNDERDOG - 2 of the strongest words in the sports betting vocabulary - HOME & UNDERDOG = WINNER!
 
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Here's what I found for home dog records the last few years

2003 - 35-36-2
2004 - 36-41-2 ouch
2005 - 28-47-3 double ouch
2006 - 44-34-2
2007 - 7-4-1

Overall 150-162-10 not very good to say the least proving you shouldn't believe everything you read I guess. However your HD's have done well since 2006 but historically there is no evidence to support this home dog = money statement. As a matter of fact since 1997 to today this method would have cost you money at 395-366-32 ats that's -762 dollars for a 100 dollar bettor and 10 years of wasted time.

I'm not trying to bash you here just making a point. Readers should be aware of the long term results for statements like these, they're betting money on this so it's important to have the facts.

This statement is actually irresponsible IMO because it is totaly false:

the side i'm on 90+% of the time is the underdog - usually a HOME UNDERDOG - 2 of the strongest words in the sports betting vocabulary - HOME & UNDERDOG = WINNER!

wait a second, so i cant just bet every home underdog and retire?????

are you telling me that favorites actually win and cover???

now what

:shrug:
 

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Firstly, just about everyone who was on Indi last weekend had -5.5 so it was a winner

Hate to split hairs, but WTF are you talking about? The line opened at 6 and was bumped down to 5.5 at a few sites/casinos. I was in Vegas when the line came out and I know it was -6, and I also recorded the opening line posted at Pinny as -6 (the line ************** uses as the baseline) in my week 3 spreadsheet.

I support Save It's premise, but I think it needs to be refined to be effective. I don't think it needs to be dismissed as crap by people who prefer to bet overs and favorites.
 

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Another good point in this discussion should be this, there are a lot of dog players around and the ones we call the public (who we are in all reality) will be lining up on these juicy home dogs (again) this weekend. Now with the early season results for dogs at 25-17 so far, I see a return to the mean coming soon, maybe this weekend. I believe the correction will be made this Sunday with the favs gaining some ground, the books aren't going to let the dog players with their fat wallets from those weeks take the money again.

I think the smart players will be taking some well thought out favs this weekend and I predict the favs will win the spread results this weekend by a count of 10-4 or 9-5. Any thoughts or feedback is welcome.

Tom
 

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Vegas and Pinnacle aren't the only places you can bet you know? ;)

ok...everyone on Indi should have been on -5.5, or at the very least -6...
...but as I originally said, that's hardly the point.

In fact, it's a fair way off the point, tbh!

Speaking of being off the point...who has even mentioned here they "prefer" to bet favs and overs?? :shrug:

Refined? You've got the real, no-foolin' numbers there to read all for yourself.
You can clearly see that home + dogs DON'T = winners.

I don't have an agenda either way.
I wouldn't think ThomasJ would either, and he came up with the same numbers as me...

No-one is telling you who or how to bet...but at least now all the facts are on the table.
 

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I just happen to have some info on those lines, and this is not saying what anybody said was wrong or right as lines change all the time and are different from spot to spot

This a screen shot from Sunday at 9:33 pm the week before

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And after the game Monday night which I only have a print of they were:

Indy -5 -107 O 48-110
Hou +5 -101 U 48+100

Those are both from pinny and I think the top one is where it actually opened and got bet up immediately to 6 and setteled in at 5 over the week
 
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Wow - interesting how many seem to think my post was a joke - I'm starting to realize there is little value in me posting my thoughts/plays on this site - sorry just how i feel - i put a lot of though into the post to share what has worked well for me...take it for what it's worth - you don't have to take my advice - i'll just keep grinding out a profit as always.

Early games today home dogs 4W-1L - up a few dimes already, will be up more by end of day - anyways probably my last post as people seem to just think this was a joke or something - so much for trying to help people out - take care...
 

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Stay or go, that's your choice. Deal with non-appreciation from your spouse, shouldn't worry about it here.

Either way, looks like a good day for you. Others don't follow, sucks for them. Hope you finish it off with a bang:00hour

Drew
 

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Wow - interesting how many seem to think my post was a joke - I'm starting to realize there is little value in me posting my thoughts/plays on this site - sorry just how i feel - i put a lot of though into the post to share what has worked well for me...take it for what it's worth - you don't have to take my advice - i'll just keep grinding out a profit as always.

Early games today home dogs 4W-1L - up a few dimes already, will be up more by end of day - anyways probably my last post as people seem to just think this was a joke or something - so much for trying to help people out - take care...

Save It,

I think you have to take the responses with a grain of salt. IMO cappers are, by nature, very opinionated people (and I include myself in that assumption). There will ALWAYS be people who disagree with you, and although some people may hold their tongue if they do, other people will take you to task if they disagree.

I tend to agree with a lot of your philosophies. I think home dogs, generally speaking, are one of the best wagers you can make. I despise taking road teams in football, college or pros, especially if they're favored. I think that's one of the quickest ways to go broke.

I appreciate the fact that you give well thought-out writeups with your plays. IMO not enough people do that.

Keep posting your plays and reasonings. Not everyone will agree with you. Then again, who cares?
 

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Wow - interesting how many seem to think my post was a joke - I'm starting to realize there is little value in me posting my thoughts/plays on this site - sorry just how i feel - i put a lot of though into the post to share what has worked well for me...take it for what it's worth - you don't have to take my advice - i'll just keep grinding out a profit as always.

Early games today home dogs 4W-1L - up a few dimes already, will be up more by end of day - anyways probably my last post as people seem to just think this was a joke or something - so much for trying to help people out - take care...

No-one is saying your post was a joke...no-one is necessarily saying that you're not being totally honest...
...but the numbers clearly show that unless you've been following this "strategy" :rolleyes: only since the beginning of last season then you simply have not been making a profit by blindly betting every home dog each week. (which again, you said you did in your first post)

Fact.


Sure, some of us are opinionated...doesn't in the least mean that we (me anyway) aren't open to all sorts of suggestions...
...but for those of us that also deal in real world numbers, this one quite simply and literally, does not add up.

Fact.

If you "ground out" a profit..actually if you didn't manage to lose money by betting home dogs in 2003, 2004 or 2005 you were; 1) Being more than a bit "selective". 2) Betting somethng else to suplement or 3) not betting at all.

Fact.

Oh, and for a post "not meant to brag", you do like dropping in the word "dime" alot ;)
 
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