more conspiracy...ron paul assassination plot uncovered!

gardenweasel

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http://politicalvindication.com/?p=1551


"Best-selling author and Bilderberg sleuth Daniel Estulin says he has received information from sources inside the U.S. intelligence community which suggests that people from the highest levels of the U.S. government are considering an assassination attempt against Congressman Ron Paul because they are threatened by his burgeoning popularity.

Estulin, whose information has unfortunately proven very accurate in the past, went public with the bombshell news during an appearance on The Alex Jones Show today.

?I am getting information from my sources that there are people involved from a higher level of the American establishment who are seriously considering - this has not been confirmed - but assassination is definitely on the agenda and I pray to God that this is not the case,? said Estulin.

sorry to hit you guys with this so early in the day(i`m sure some haven`t even had the time to put on your tin foil hats)....

it`s obvious that ron paul is a bigger threat to the machinations of this government than bin laden and for that very obvious reason,imo, the poisoned cigar ploy must be used......

btw,i love this quote alot...."The Ron Paul phenomenon has galvanized an entire nation."


what nation might that be?... lichtenstein?:142smilie
 

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Never heard of Estulin. What info of his has proven "very accurate"?

There is some fear of Ron Paul, you can tell that from the way he's mocked and ignored. Any elected official talking about shuttering the Fed is going to get some attention from the powers that be.
 

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I agree with you. Ron Paul is manifestly honorable and honest, a real gentleman, the antithesis of the shrieking shills that pass for conservatives these days. I have a feeling he strikes a chord in certain Fox watchers. They don't want to admit to themselves they've been led off path.
 

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"You and I know our real country -- the America of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, of economic, civil, and personal liberty, of strong families and communities, of great businesses and professions, of strong peace and low taxes and sound money -- all of which are under assault by the politicians who occupy our nation?s capital.

"With your help I want to change all that. Together, we can restore our constitutional republic, and oust the mountebanks who violate the ideals of the Founders with income taxes, Federal Reserve inflation, deficit spending, preemptive wars, torture, secret prisons, and abolition of habeas corpus." - Ron Paul


I have a hard time seeing how any American could find fault with these goals.
 

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Judge, you're right, but you got to remember how many people's income is tied to the state. Ron Paul is a direct threat to their livelihood.
 

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gw has a fascination/hatred for Ron...maybe he reminds him of how far gw has wondered from true conservatism?

I don't support Paul in any way, nor do I, in all honesty, even know what he entirely stands for. But I do find The Weasel's obession with him to be a bit comical. Then again, I find many of The Weasel's obessions to be comical. Still like the guy, though (Wease, that is... not Paul).
 

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I don't support Paul in any way, nor do I, in all honesty, even know what he entirely stands for.
Here is a quick look:

??man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.? - Ronald Reagan


We?ve all heard the words democracy and freedom used countless times, especially in the context of our invasion of Iraq. They are used interchangeably in modern political discourse, yet their true meanings are very different.

George Orwell wrote about ?meaningless words? that are endlessly repeated in the political arena. Words like ?freedom,? ?democracy,? and ?justice,? Orwell explained, have been abused so long that their original meanings have been eviscerated. In Orwell?s view, political words were ?Often used in a consciously dishonest way.? Without precise meanings behind words, politicians and elites can obscure reality and condition people to reflexively associate certain words with positive or negative perceptions. In other words, unpleasant facts can be hidden behind purposely meaningless language. As a result, Americans have been conditioned to accept the word ?democracy? as a synonym for freedom, and thus to believe that democracy is unquestionably good.

The problem is that democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism, which is inherently incompatible with real freedom. Our founding fathers clearly understood this, as evidenced not only by our republican constitutional system, but also by their writings in the Federalist Papers and elsewhere. James Madison cautioned that under a democratic government, ?There is nothing to check the inducement to sacrifice the weaker party or the obnoxious individual.? John Adams argued that democracies merely grant revocable rights to citizens depending on the whims of the masses, while a republic exists to secure and protect pre-existing rights. Yet how many Americans know that the word ?democracy? is found neither in the Constitution nor the Declaration of Independence, our very founding documents?

A truly democratic election in Iraq, without U.S. interference and U.S. puppet candidates, almost certainly would result in the creation of a Shiite theocracy. Shiite majority rule in Iraq might well mean the complete political, economic, and social subjugation of the minority Kurd and Sunni Arab populations. Such an outcome would be democratic, but would it be free? Would the Kurds and Sunnis consider themselves free? The administration talks about democracy in Iraq, but is it prepared to accept a democratically-elected Iraqi government no matter what its attitude toward the U.S. occupation? Hardly. For all our talk about freedom and democracy, the truth is we have no idea whether Iraqis will be free in the future. They?re certainly not free while a foreign army occupies their country. The real test is not whether Iraq adopts a democratic, pro-western government, but rather whether ordinary Iraqis can lead their personal, religious, social, and business lives without interference from government.

Simply put, freedom is the absence of government coercion. Our Founding Fathers understood this, and created the least coercive government in the history of the world. The Constitution established a very limited, decentralized government to provide national defense and little else. States, not the federal government, were charged with protecting individuals against criminal force and fraud. For the first time, a government was created solely to protect the rights, liberties, and property of its citizens. Any government coercion beyond that necessary to secure those rights was forbidden, both through the Bill of Rights and the doctrine of strictly enumerated powers. This reflected the founders? belief that democratic government could be as tyrannical as any King.

Few Americans understand that all government action is inherently coercive. If nothing else, government action requires taxes. If taxes were freely paid, they wouldn?t be called taxes, they?d be called donations. If we intend to use the word freedom in an honest way, we should have the simple integrity to give it real meaning: Freedom is living without government coercion. So when a politician talks about freedom for this group or that, ask yourself whether he is advocating more government action or less.

The political left equates freedom with liberation from material wants, always via a large and benevolent government that exists to create equality on earth. To modern liberals, men are free only when the laws of economics and scarcity are suspended, the landlord is rebuffed, the doctor presents no bill, and groceries are given away. But philosopher Ayn Rand (and many others before her) demolished this argument by explaining how such ?freedom? for some is possible only when government takes freedoms away from others. In other words, government claims on the lives and property of those who are expected to provide housing, medical care, food, etc. for others are coercive-- and thus incompatible with freedom. ?Liberalism,? which once stood for civil, political, and economic liberties, has become a synonym for omnipotent coercive government.

The political right equates freedom with national greatness brought about through military strength. Like the left, modern conservatives favor an all-powerful central state-- but for militarism, corporatism, and faith-based welfarism. Unlike the Taft-Goldwater conservatives of yesteryear, today?s Republicans are eager to expand government spending, increase the federal police apparatus, and intervene militarily around the world. The last tenuous links between conservatives and support for smaller government have been severed. ?Conservatism,? which once meant respect for tradition and distrust of active government, has transformed into big-government utopian grandiosity.

Orwell certainly was right about the use of meaningless words in politics. If we hope to remain free, we must cut through the fog and attach concrete meanings to the words politicians use to deceive us. We must reassert that America is a republic, not a democracy, and remind ourselves that the Constitution places limits on government that no majority can overrule. We must resist any use of the word ?freedom? to describe state action. We must reject the current meaningless designations of ?liberals? and ?conservatives,? in favor of an accurate term for both: statists.

Every politician on earth claims to support freedom. The problem is so few of them understand the simple meaning of the word.
 

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The political right equates freedom with national greatness brought about through military strength. Like the left, modern conservatives favor an all-powerful central state-- but for militarism, corporatism, and faith-based welfarism. Unlike the Taft-Goldwater conservatives of yesteryear, today?s Republicans are eager to expand government spending, increase the federal police apparatus, and intervene militarily around the world. The last tenuous links between conservatives and support for smaller government have been severed. ?Conservatism,? which once meant respect for tradition and distrust of active government, has transformed into big-government utopian grandiosity.

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Good stuff Judge........I saw a bit on the local news this morning covering the 2 dozen or so "marchers" in downtown Rockford throwing a "Ron Paul Tea Party 2007" yesterday........Sunday?...like 12 degrees?......and, to plagiarize gw shamelessly, they would have looked approriate in tin-foil hats. On the flip side, the cute little anchor closed the piece pointing out the fact that RP 2007 raised $5,000,000 in a day! The height of irony to kick off my week.

I like Ronny "Pipe Dream" Paul. He's seems credible, albeit delusional at times. I like it just as much that he makes the establishment uncomfortable. I''m gonna miss watching them squirm when RP drops out and the message fades. Where will his army go?? Have to admire the quixotic dolts: their numbers seem to be growing.
 

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This is an article from a libertarian site that promotes Ron Paul. It shows a different way of thinking about the problems we face than you'll get from the two factions of the ruling party.

In a Free Society...

by Manuel Lora

Imagine a free world where there is no state. This is a society where security, the provision of law, contract enforcement, and courts and other institutions of justice are available on the market. In such a situation, almost everything we hear on the news would sound ridiculous, inefficient and even criminal.

As there would be no taxation, anyone standing on a podium promising handouts, subsidies, tariffs, quotas or anything of that sort would be considered a buffoon.

In a free society there would be no institutionalized politics that would affect every one; there would be no legislation and no legislators. Instead of politics there would be company policies and contracts that establish the relationships between groups. Thus, there would be no government lobbying. The state is like a pi?ata; those able to extract power and influence from it obtain a special advantage at the expense of everyone else.

Because education would no longer be managed by governments, there would be no district superintendent (or even a school district), no budget fights or voter approval on the budget. And of course, property tax would not exist.

Though the right of collective bargaining would be respected, unions would have no special "group rights" of their own. Employers would not be forced to deal with union representatives.

Giant conglomerate companies could probably exist, but would be unlike what we see today (think Big Oil). They would not have exclusive monopolies or special treatment. Any land that they wanted to use they would have to purchase legitimately on the market (say good-bye to the thievery called eminent domain). If they wanted to dispose of chemicals they would have to do it on their own land as there would be no state to grant them pollution permits. When externalities are reduced though the enforcement of property rights, resources can be allocated more efficiently.

In a free society there would be no medical cartels. Instead of having a government monopoly in medical education and certification, there would probably be a variety of decentralized organizations handling health care. Hospitals and clinics, for example, to attract customers, would want to hire employees with good qualifications and education. Further, because most hospitals would be insured, insurance requirements might mandate that professionals met certain criteria such as certification and experience. This would be handled by the market.

But best of all, there would be no such thing as a politician (much less a career politician). People who would propose wars and intervention; praise socialized medicine; support manipulation of the money supply and interest rates; control the layout of parking lots and the amounts of water that must come out of toilets per flush ? all these people would be thought of as being out of their minds and potentially criminals. Indeed, in an environment when towns and cities are protected by patrol and restitution services, the thought of taxing society at gunpoint to protect them from people who would steal from them (also at gunpoint) would at once seem stupid. (Another advantage to getting the state out of the police business would be the dramatic reduction in police brutality and taserings. How long do you think a company would last if it killed its customers?)

Go to any major news web site or watch the nightly television news. Most of what is reported is directly or indirectly an act of the state. From wars and intervention to the global subprime crisis and inflation ? these are nothing but horrible and evil acts of governments. It doesn?t stop there, however. Keep watching. Protestors and drug users are arrested are jailed and a happy prosecutor claims that he is cleaning up our lives. The censors pat themselves on the back for having kept dangerous content from the children (yes, it?s about the children every time!). Airport inspectors claim to keep us safe but reports say that bombs and guns go through security quite often. The various government agencies that control what can we eat suddenly reverse themselves! And so it goes on in an endless cycle of abuses, scandals, cynicism and corruption.

Though I am a "free marketeer" for ethical reasons first (the state is evil), sometimes I yearn for a free society just because the transition period would be a delight to watch. I can imagine world leaders scrambling to find an honest employment. Directors of giant government programs might have to work for a living and actually producing goods and services that others want. Even the local police department will have to openly compete with new security companies. What fun that would be.

December 17, 2007

http://www.lewrockwell.com/lora/m.lora47.html
 

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paul does have his supporters...

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...0.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=safari

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...com/+David+Duke+EURO&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35498&sectionid=3510203

check the website:lol2 ...don`t know about you guys,but,i just love it when the islamists throw their support behind one of our candidates......

for someone who's supposedly going to save america, paul certainly doesn't seem to like it very much......

if this guy becomes the republican presidential candidate,i may just have to vote for hillary....
 

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for someone who's supposedly going to save america, paul certainly doesn't seem to like it very much....

Interesting. That's actually similar to my thoughts when I read a lot of the dreck posted by guys like you and DTB. You're all Mr. Super Patriot and pro-America, yet you both appear to hate a good portion of the people in the country (granted, I will concede that he hates a greater percentage than you ;) ). And of course, you'd both rather piss on the constitution than actually follow it.
 

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paul does have his supporters...

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cach...0.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=safari

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cach...com/+David+Duke+EURO&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=35498&sectionid=3510203

check the website:lol2 ...don`t know about you guys,but,i just love it when the islamists throw their support behind one of our candidates......

for someone who's supposedly going to save america, paul certainly doesn't seem to like it very much......

if this guy becomes the republican presidential candidate,i may just have to vote for hillary....

There is a small article about how the American people were lied to in order to drum up support for the invasion of Iraq, and gw translates this to the Islamists are backing Ron Paul. The simple world of GW, if you don't support Bush and you don't support the war, you are an America hating pinko liberal terrorist loving Islamist.
 

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