Aruba ends probe into Holloway disappearance

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Thank you.. unreal how these dudes jumped on me. :shrug: You have to look at any debate from both sides. Do I think the guys know what happened to her .. yes! Do i think the police ****ed up the case YES.

Point of the matter is, if she had been sober or more responsible and her friends wouldnt have let leave with strangers, we wouldnt have ever had this thread.

Exactly. What is the use of a chaperone? They should have been out and about with the kids. They can't be everywhere. If one of her friends noticed her gone for awhile, it should have been reported to a chaperone ASAP. No it isn't the full fault of the friends or chaperone, but they need to be held responsible.
Just like if your friend is bombed and he decides to leave and drive home. You know he is bombed and shouldn't drive. You actually think that you should take his keys or talk to him, but you don't. He leaves and crashes into a bridge and dies. Tell me you being the friend isn't somewhat responsible for not approaching the deceased. Tell me it won't be on your mind everyday and haunt you that you didn't step in.
 

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I do have to side somewhat with ABC here. I don't want to say the girl is at fault. I don't agree. I do agree that her friends and chaperones should bare a great deal of responsibility. If you asked this question to her mother and father, I'm sure they would say the same thing. If her friends were really her good friends they wouldn't have let her leave. If for some reason she slipped away, then her friends should have notified the chaperones a lot earlier then they did. Get your head out of your ass people.


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It is obvious he knows the friends and chaperones deserve some of the blame. Deny it, I dare you.

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LMAO its so easy to own these guys in a debate :mj07:

To say Natalee and her friends don't have any responsibility on this tragic event is laughable


Lets blame Jack Daniels for every person that gets hammered and drives home.
 

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So we are using lie detector tests now to solve cases? :shrug:

I think she was on drugs, willingly. I think she wanted to stay out late night and party. I personally think she od'd on cocaine or a drug like that, and the boys panicked and dumped the body. Why would these dudes just randomly kill this girl

I think it is very plausible that they (they guys) honestly don't know what happened to her. Is it really that unlikely that everyone was drunk, the guys wanted to leave, and she didn't (since she was leaving in the morning, was potentially hammered and/or high, and probably thought the ocean looked, like, so totally cool at night in the moonlight!!), so they left? If her judgment was impaired, she easily could have decided to go in the ocean and any number of things could've happened (passed out, tripped and fell, got caught in the current, etc.) and swept her away.
 

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I am extremely cautious with my kids. As a Correction Officer, I see the worst of what people can do almost daily. There is a lot of blame that can be passed along, including Natalie, but that certainly doesn't mean she deserved to die (if she did). People just need to be smarter in the decisions they make in their lives. It is a big and dangerous world out there...
 

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I think it is very plausible that they (they guys) honestly don't know what happened to her. Is it really that unlikely that everyone was drunk, the guys wanted to leave, and she didn't (since she was leaving in the morning, was potentially hammered and/or high, and probably thought the ocean looked, like, so totally cool at night in the moonlight!!), so they left? If her judgment was impaired, she easily could have decided to go in the ocean and any number of things could've happened (passed out, tripped and fell, got caught in the current, etc.) and swept her away.
Exactly

The kids could have left her on the beach and something else happened to her.. you never know

She also could have been sold as a sex slave.. lots of shit happens when ur friends allow you to leave with strangers on foreign soil
 

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If you had a daughter her age, and I do, you'd
put a little more thought into your knee jerk
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If you had a daughter her age, and I do, you'd
put a little more thought into your knee jerk
smart ass comments.

I don't know who he is talking to. Sometimes he makes uneducated comments. If you were her parent, you wouldn't somewhat blame the aforementioned friends/chaperones? Knee jerk reaction.:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie
 

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I don't know who he is talking to. Sometimes he makes uneducated comments. If you were one of the parents, you wouldn't somewhat blame the aforementioned friends/chaperones? Knee jerk reaction.:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie
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I think it is very plausible that they (they guys) honestly don't know what happened to her. Is it really that unlikely that everyone was drunk, the guys wanted to leave, and she didn't (since she was leaving in the morning, was potentially hammered and/or high, and probably thought the ocean looked, like, so totally cool at night in the moonlight!!), so they left? If her judgment was impaired, she easily could have decided to go in the ocean and any number of things could've happened (passed out, tripped and fell, got caught in the current, etc.) and swept her away.

you`re more gullible in the general than the politcal forum(if that`s possible).....;)

""Previous Arrests Yielded Few Answers


Geoffrey van Cromvoirt, a 19-year-old who was also arrested, but released after 8 days. Sources close to the investigation say he is suspected of selling drugs, possibly GHB, the so-called "date-rape drug," to Joran van der Sloot and/or his associates, and that this activity may have been involved in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. The Aruban prosecutor's office said van Cromvoirt "remains a suspect."

Aruban police also arrested a 20-year-old man identified only by the initials A.B. He was questioned about the Holloway case for 6 hours and then released.

Conversation Between Suspects Secretly Recorded

In a press release issued by the Aruban prosecutor's office, authorities have verified that the contents of a transcribed conversation between Joran van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, and Satish Kalpoe, are authentic. The recorded conversation reportedly took place in June 2005 in a police vehicle while the three suspects were being transported either to or from a court appearance or jail.

The six-page transcript shows the three young men exchanging harsh words, accusing one another of lying, and mentioning Natalee Holloway several times, referring to her as "the girl."

When the Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot were released from custody in September 2005, then-Police Chief Gerold Dompig was still certain they were involved in Natalee's disappearance, telling AMW, "I have a gut feeling that they're guilty...either it's murder, or an accident, or rape...but something happened, and they were surely involved."

Since then, the three young men have remained under public scrutiny. Authorities will not comment further on the recorded conversation or what they make of it."....

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that`s right...a drunken stranger gets left on the beach...by the last person to see her...ever....a person that was suspected of buying date rape drugs.....

the kid said he left his shoes on the beach(they were never found).....?
he says that natalie wanted to go to a lighthouse to see sharks...in the dead of night?

he said he lied at first because he had a girlfriend?....(and implicated some innocent brown-skinned guys,if i recall)...

said he wanted to take her back to his house to have sex..then changed his mind...

and finally,when he found out she was missing,he didn`t go directly to the police....



and you believe him...

aruba wanted this to go away....vander sloot`s old man is up to ass in this....and he had mucho gravitas in the legal community....and the case notes aren`t available to natalie`s attorney or the public...

perfect storm...

but,no body,no crime...
 
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I didn't say I believed him, and I don't know many facts of this case. I simply stated that it is a very plausible scenario that they were all hammered at the beach and she got left there. I realize you most likely have never had much of a social life, nor do you possess many, if any, social skills.... but you can take it from me.... that is not uncommon behavior from drunk kids aged 17-23.
 

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You guys know nothing basically. You know what the media has told you. Obviously they dont have much evidence if they cant even hold a trial against the kids. Im sure if they went a different direction that they could find quasi evidence on other shady characters as well. For the time bein.. those 3 were the last to be seen with her, so i guess they must have done it based on your logic? :shrug:
 

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AMSTERDAM, Netherlands ? A former suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway told a Dutch newspaper he regretted that he was not formally prosecuted for any crime.

Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot, 20, was re-arrested in Aruba in November for a new interrogation about Holloway's disappearance in 2005. But public prosecutors on the island closed their investigation Dec. 18, saying they believed Holloway was dead but they did not have enough evidence to prosecute van der Sloot or two other former suspects.

"I would have liked to have seen a trial so that everything could be out in the open," van der Sloot told newspaper DAG in his first public remarks since being released on Dec. 7. The newspaper published excerpts from the interview Sunday. DAG spokesman Bob Witman said the interview was conducted via e-mail with van der Sloot in Aruba, where he is currently staying.

All three suspects denied any involvement in Holloway's disappearance.

Van der Sloot denied there was any new evidence to prompt his arrest again last month, as prosecutors had asserted.

"There was no new evidence at all," he told the paper. "Dutch detectives tried to get me to talk for 15 days. They told me that Natalee was dead."

Prosecutors say their new evidence was a statement by one of the suspects during a tapped Internet chat in which he said Holloway was dead. But defense lawyers denied that.

Van der Sloot said he believed his latest arrest was intended to please American media.

"I've been declared guilty without any factual evidence and I'm left to prove my innocence," he told the paper.

Prosecutors said as things stand, the case can be reactivated if "serious" new evidence emerges. Reactivating the case would be impossible however if they were to prosecute and fail, due to rules against double jeopardy.

Holloway was on a high school graduation trip to the island when she vanished May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to Mountain Brook, Ala. Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of her.

The three former suspects, who are the last people known to have seen her, initially said they dropped Holloway off at her hotel.

After hotel security cameras disproved that, they were arrested and van der Sloot said he left her alone on a beach and had no idea how she disappeared.
 
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