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judge why cant you answer my simple question? you take time to leave and come back and swear you wont waste any more time in this thread ... please dont pull an AR and run from direct questions that mav posed to AR after starting or engagaing debate ...

the post was very brief asking you specfic questions... its a simple yes or no as to seeing the flash or pod or 19 rector building ... of course if you say you see these things, or dont in the case of the rector bldg. it proves the cnn footage is faked ... so its understandable you and the others wont touch this with 90' pole :)
 

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judge, thats all well and good with your pics and links, but the hero of 9/11 william rodriguez heard explosions b4 flight 175 hit the south tower :shrug: any theories there? and the hydraulic press that was blown to bits in the basement long before the building fell


any thoughts why the kean commission wouldnt include his first hand eye witness testimony :shrug:
 

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Philip Zelikow is a member of Bush?s shadow cabinet, an-ex-member of Bush?s intelligence advisory board (i.e. a 9/11 suspect himself), a close associate of Condi Rice, and a member of a British-intelligence sponsored think tank, the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Thomas Kean is director for the oil giant Amerada Hess, meaning he is thick as thieves with the criminal BCCI/BushBoyz wing of the oil industry. Lee Hamilton had chaired the House Iran-Contra Committee and the October Surprise Task Force, choosing to keep Bush the elder out of jail in the teeth of the evidence, at the promptings of fellow Wyoming congressman Dick Cheney, because justice would not be ?good for the country.? John Lehman, a prot?g? of war criminal Henry Kissinger, covered up a Navy pedophilia scandal in 1982. Bob Kerry, another noted war criminal who personally slaughtered unarmed women and children in Vietnam, is a card-carrying neocon and PNAC associate. In 1989, Kerry covered up the Bush White House callboys scandal as part of his duties as Governor of Nebraska. Richard Ben-Veniste, as Hicks points out, ?has direct connections to murky underworld figures? and gained notoriety as the lawyer for CIA drug runner Barry Seal, who was machine-gunned to death at a stoplight in Baton Rouge after apparently attempting to blackmail Ben-Veniste. Jamie Gorelick works for the world?s biggest drug-smuggling outfit, the CIA, where she is a member of the their National Security Advisory Panel; upon accepting her post with the 9/11 Coverup Commission, she was handed a plum job with the Washington Law Firm Wilmer, Cutler and Pickering, which was defending top Saudi officials against a lawsuit by 9/11 victims? families. James Thompson and Slade Gorton, like Ben-Veniste and Gorlick, are well-connected creatures of unsavory big law firms. Fred Fielding worked for Nixon, Reagan, and Bush, and is suspected of involvement in Watergate and Iran/Contra. After summing up the nefarious careers of this gallery of rogues, Hicks turns to Timothy Roemer, ?the clean one. Sort of. Well certainly he?s the young one.? After the sudden departure of the one potentially honest member of the 9/11 Commission, Max Cleland, who huffed that he would not be part of another Warren Commission coverup and resigned to take a plum post offered by the Bush Administration, Roemer did look relatively clean?like a guy who?s just spattered with mud while his colleagues are wallowing in pig manure. Hicks summarizes the work of this pathetic, criminally negligent commission: ?The 9/11 Commission Report has topped the Warren Report...as the greatest cover-up of all time...God willing, a day is coming when the parties responsible will be tried in a high court? (83).

Hicks actually goes to meet Ben-Veniste, taping a TV interview with him and asking a couple of real questions about 9/11?and Ben Veniste loses it and calls him a whackjob. Once again, we see the ad-hominem attack principle at work: The slimiest, craziest, evilest people in the world perpetrate the greatest outrage in history?and proceed to defame the characters and reputations of anyone who dares to question them. Yet a loose association of brave individuals, collectively known as the 9/11 truth movement, has arisen to ask those hard questions, and brave the ?tinfoil hat? jibes of the small cohort of perps and their brainwashed legions of drooling idiots. (If you haven?t noticed, I?m employing the ad hominem principle in reverse. If you want sweet reason, read David Griffin and Nafeez Ahmed.)
 

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judge why cant you answer my simple question?
Please see post #1353 where I already answered that I did not see a "flash or pod". It is possible that I do not understand what you are referring to as I am unfamiliar with the lingo that has been adopted by the conspiracy theorists. As far as my "running away", it is more of a case that I have better things to do with my time than scour the internet all day long in search of answers to the hundreds of questions that you have raised. I hope that you can understand that not everyone is all consumed with this subject as you obviously have become.

Please review the videos that I posted of building implosions and tell me what about them is even similar to the manner in which the towers collapsed.
 

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judge, thats all well and good with your pics and links, but the hero of 9/11 william rodriguez heard explosions b4 flight 175 hit the south tower
A series of explosions at the base of the towers such as would have been required to start an implosion of buildings of this size clearly would have been heard by more than one person. There were literally hundreds of firefighters on the scene when the 2nd plane crashed yet not one of them has reported hearing "explosions in the basement".

What I have continually asked is how (or even why) explosives could have been timed so perfectly to coincide with the two seperate planes crashing into the buildings? Additionally, why is their no visual evidence of these explosions an a single video of the crashes?
 
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judge any theories how steel was in a foundry type condition 99 days after the wtcs fell and were gurgling at 3000 degrees in the basements? ever heard of such of thing? :shrug:

i mean, kerosene fuel burns at 600 ... do you think staplers and phones and paper could have made the temp rise that high for 3 months?
 

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Please see post #1353 where I already answered that I did not see a "flash or pod". It is possible that I do not understand what you are referring to as I am unfamiliar with the lingo that has been adopted by the conspiracy theorists. As far as my "running away", it is more of a case that I have better things to do with my time than scour the internet all day long in search of answers to the hundreds of questions that you have raised. I hope that you can understand that not everyone is all consumed with this subject as you obviously have become.

Please review the videos that I posted of building implosions and tell me what about them is even similar to the manner in which the towers collapsed.


post 1377 is about the pod theory which a lot of truthers don't even believe. I posted several pictures of jets and explanations debunking the pod. We all saw a flash, but that doesn't mean it was a detonation of a bomb or rocket or some other bs.
 

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you dont think the neocons couldve wired that bidg. in any sequence they wanted it to fall .. it fell from top down bc they had to make it seem like the "planes" caused it ... get victor thorns book 911 on trial ... you would prob love it being an engineer :)
 
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Dancing, laughing, happy Israelis -- Mossad operatives no less-- caught taping the WTC before the planes hit.

You're right, guys. Better just to pretend it never happened. Safer that way.
 

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you guys crack me up, the pod, flash and rector bldg. were brought up to expose that the cnn footage must be faked ... it doesnt matter if it helped take down the wtcs ... the concept was you guys saying that the film was all real ...

please someone address this instead of ducking it for 2 pages ... you guys cant be this slow to see where we are going with this :shrug:
 

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Section V of Rebuilding Americas Defenses published by the Project For A New American Century (interestingly formed in 1997) includes the sentence "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event??like a new Pearl Harbor"

So policy advisors and leading neo cons want a Pearl Harbour type of event and started planning way back in 1997..... So, I will only say this once in this essay, man, you just can't make this stuff up.

http://www.oppugn.co.uk/recent-posts/2007/9/11/on-the-anniversary-of-911.html


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mahoney,

these guys have never once addressed the dancng israelis hehe .... just like they cant grasp the post 1377 and how it undermines that they cant say the cnn footage was real while saying they never saw a flash or pod or rector bldg vanishing
 

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judge mr sammo posted the vid that will show you the flash and pod ... check it out, i even said where it started time wise... please watch it and see what you think--you might be surprised that you cant reconcile these anomalies and then say the footage wasnt faked or their wasnt a conspiracy ...

maybe one of you guys will address this instead of blowing it off ... it is truly the achilles of the whole argument for the official story bc you cant solve all issues if you say you saw these things happen ... pasting a disclaimer from a sight isnt answering what you see with your own eyes ... so please respond :00hour
 

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I guess the evil Muslim terrorists gave the Mossad the heads-up, just for fun. And gave them some souvenir boxcutters too!
 

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The Blow Back from 'My nightmare in the Mediterranean'

During the last few days of 2007, Ron Kukal the Chaplain of the USS Liberty Veteran's Association and retired CT [Communications Technician] First Class and the Petty Officer in charge of the crew who recovered the remains of the 34 Americans who were murdered on June 8, 1967, and I conversed on phone and email about our frustrations of being labeled anti-Semitic when ever we speak up about the injustices the secular state and apartheid regime of Israel has been allowed to get away with. While I have only been speaking up for the last two and a half years, the old canard of 'anti-Semitic' has been hurled at me a multitude of times, but Ron and the survivors of that other day in infamy have endured that blasphemy for four decades.

Ron informed this civilian journalist, "For the last forty years I have taken offense to all the people who have labeled us LIBERTY Vet's anti-Semites just for trying to get an open transparent Congressional investigation to what happened to us on June 8, 1967, which was my nightmare in the Mediterranean.

"Before going on board the LIBERTY, every last CT underwent a thorough back ground check by the FBI. We were totally trusted and referred to as the elite of the Navy; we all were totally committed to the USA. The FBI went back two, maybe three generations checking us all out. They knew my grandparents came from Prague. They mingled in my hometown for days talking to everyone who knew anything about me. Family, neighbors, classmates all gave their input and I was given Top Secret Clearance.

"A CT handles the most sensitive information and our government trusted us implicitly! Our instructors made it perfectly clear that we were the elite of the Navy and a racist would never qualify for Top Secret Clearance!

"I cannot in good conscience leave this world without telling the truth about what happened on June 8, 1967 and the Court of Inquiry never gave me a chance! For forty years we survivors have been waiting for Congress to allow us to speak on the record and have been denied this right of freedom of speech!

"My motivation for speaking about that day is to give all the glory to God for keeping us alive. It may be possible that the only reason God saved the LIBERTY was so that we could tell our story. The LIBERTY was sailing 15 miles off the coast in international waters when the Israeli Defense Force attacked us. We were subjected to torpedoes, 50 caliber machine gun fire, napalm, and rocket fire. There were over 800 holes in the LIBERTY after the attack and we were on fire in many places. Thirty-four men were killed and close to 70% of the crew were wounded, of which I was one."

Ron was one of the men who were below the water line when the only torpedo hit the USS LIBERTY, an unarmed spy ship that Israel brutally attacked and the USA government not only failed to protect, but did not even come to the aid of until the day after.

"Looking back before I boarded the LIBERTY, I remember having an ominous feeling that followed me like a dark cloud. It entered my mind as I was about to be deployed for the second time to the African Coast. Our first trip to Africa was pretty much uneventful, and we spent Christmas of 1966 in the port of Abidjan parked in front of a British freighter. Of course we got together with the British on Christmas, and the partying went well into the night of Christmas Eve and on into Christmas Day. Had I only known then, what was about to happen on my second deployment, I might have found a way off the LIBERTY.

"I was acutely aware of Jean Dixon's prediction concerning the LIBERTY . Although I do not remember her exact words, they were meant to warn us of impending disaster on our up coming voyage to Africa. I tried to put her words behind me. After all what did she know, or how could she know anything?"

In Assault On The LIBERTY, by survivor Jim Ennis, he states that a prophecy by Jean Dixon that the LIBERTY was going to sink had been read by some of the sailors in The National Enquirer, but the tabloid was unable to locate it in its archives. In a letter to Ennis from Dixon on October 30, 1974, she denied that she had ever made any prediction at all about the LIBERTY . "Nevertheless, the belief was widely held among the crew that a prophecy had been made, and the belief contributed to a feeling of unrest in the ship."-Page 14.

Ron has maintained for forty years, "For what seemed like an eternity many miracles occurred during, and after the attack. The only armament we had was 50 caliber machine guns, and they were like peashooters against the French built Mirage jets that attacked us. It was a miracle that those planes didn't sink us. Then the torpedo boats bore down on us, with one thing in mind, and that was to put us to the bottom of the Mediterranean. Only one torpedo found its mark and this was the second miracle that I witnessed that day, the first being our surviving of the onslaught by the jet aircraft.

"That torpedo hit the Liberty almost amidships on the starboard side, and I was approximately thirty feet from the explosion. There were a couple of bulkheads between the explosion, and myself but they were like paper to the several tons of TNT that tore up the bowels of the Liberty . What had been several compartments were turned into one big room in a very short time. I was immediately immersed in sea water, and it was rising fast to the point where it would be above my head in a short time, and even though I could swim, the compartment would soon become completely full, and there would be no place to go. The hatch to the above deck was closed, and dogged down, and so my life again depended completely on what God would do. Just before the compartment became fully flooded the hatch above me was opened to let as many of us as possible out of there before we became a part of a watery grave. This was the third miracle that I saw that day and as I ran to get to the main deck, I was slipping and sliding because of the water and blood that was awash within each passageway.

"The fourth miracle occurred when I was exposed to the machine gun fire on the main deck. Every antenna we had was shot to pieces except one, and it had never worked very well. One of the radiomen told me that he tried several times to call for help, and finally when he realized that all the antenna were shot, he switched to the one that had always given him trouble, and when it was needed, it worked! We were able to call the Sixth Fleet, and notify them of our predicament through that an antenna and that was the fifth miracle.

"The attack had gone on for two hours and we had lost our steering control yet, we were able to steer the ship manually, and made it to the island of Malta and to dry dock. This was almost a one thousand mile journey and we were on a ship that had a forty by forty-foot hole in her side, was on fire, and riddled with holes! This was the sixth miracle that happened in my nightmare on the Med.

"In Malta , I was in charge of the crew that went down below to recover and identify the deceased. I know that God gave me the strength to go and do what was expected of me. Let it suffice to say that, under the conditions, only men that were strengthened, and held up by God himself would be able to enter that dark area down below.

"I had been heavily sedated those first three days after the attack. I had injured my back while in the flooded spaces and once we docked in Malta, I hurt my back again from lifting up all those water logged bodies.

"I was discharged in August 1967 and went home and lived in a bottle; I drank to self medicate and would wake up in the middle of the night in rages, thrashing, hollering and screaming. My first wife put up with it all and I kept drinking. I spent forty-four days in the Hot Springs VA Hospital and they diagnosed me with psychoneuroses. Back then, medicine did not yet know about combat stress or Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. My Dr. thought I was hallucinating when I told him about my nightmare in the Mediterranean. The LIBERTY story was only in the papers for a few days, so very few people knew anything about it. The Dr. called the Navy and got my story verified and he kept me sedated and assumed all my pain was psychological. The technology hadn't yet been developed to diagnose my back injuries.

"I tried college but would wake up with nightmares and disturbed the entire dorm, so I dropped out. I had nobody to talk to about my nightmares on the Med and I was the one who initiated the divorce from my first wife. All I wanted to do was go off by myself and drink.

"I met my second wife who was a nursing student while doing a job in a hospital. I was still drinking and we had four kids and that marriage ended after nine years. It's been tough on my kids and two of them are estranged from me. It's a battle to this day for me to even see my grand kids. I don't know if my kids think I don't love them, or that they are ashamed of me, but this is part of the blow back from my nightmare on the Mediterranean.

"And it all boils down for me that I must get all this out for National Security reasons! Americans need to know all about June 8, 1967 and how our government failed to support the troops.

"In 1981, I found my way into church and ever since, I only drink a limited amount on holidays. I also became a journeymen electrician and worked at it for twenty-five years. I married my third wife in 1991, and things are good.

"With the Internet and a candidate like Ron Paul, I see that the multitudes of Americans who are fed up are speaking out and that's good news. The government of Israel doesn't speak for all Jews and this government of ours doesn't speak for the LIBERTY Vets. America needs to change direction and course, and God willing we the people will make it happen through the World Wide Web."

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December 30, 2007 ? Copyright Eileen Fleming, Reporter and Editor http://www.wearewideawake.org/ Author Keep Hope Alive and Memoirs of a Nice Irish American Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory, Producer "30 Minutes With Vanunu." Permission is granted for reprint in print, email, blog, or web media if this credit is attached and the title remains unchanged.

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The relevance of the above to 9/11 is that it shows that our government has been hushing up the murder of Americans, at Israel's behest, for at least 40 years.
 

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LBJ, Israel & the USS Liberty Massacre
by William Hughes
(Sunday, February 8, 2004)

"The White House knew within minutes of the USS Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel. On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, ?I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.? The Liberty was then left ?dead in the water,? without any assistance for over 16 hours."

On June 8, 1967, the Israelis attacked the USS Liberty, in international waters, 13 miles off the coast of the Sinai Peninsula, and tried to sink it, and kill all 294 American on board the spy ship (?Assault on the Liberty,? James M. Ennes, Jr. and James Bamford?s ?Body of Secrets.?) The Israelis then falsely claimed it was just a case of ?mistaken identity.?

However, according to Peter Hounam, the author of the expose?, ?Operation Cyanide,? the murderous Israeli attack was a set up to blame the Egyptians and bring the U.S. into the 1967 war on their side. The Liberty was a ?sitting duck? for the Israeli jet planes? missiles and rockets and their torpedo boats. The attack lasted at least 75 minutes, killing 34 brave Americans and wounding 172 others. Liberty survivor, Petty Officer Ernie Gallo, said, ?I mean for a group of people, who are suppose to be the children of God, (the Israelis), they didn?t show any mercy for us.?

Both Captain Ward Boston, an ex-Navy attorney, who participated in a Court of Inquiry, with respect to the Liberty, and Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Chairman of the U.S. Joint Chief of Staff, (who recently died), believe that President Lyndon Baynes Johnson ordered a massive ?cover-up? after the attack by the Israelis (10/23/03, CBSNews.com.)

On first hearing of the Liberty attack by allegedly ?unidentified aircraft,? the U.S. launched planes from the Sixth Fleet carriers, then located in the Mediterranean, off Crete, armed with nuclear weapons. They were headed for Cairo to retaliate. Only minutes before reaching their target, they were recalled. Why? The Israelis had failed to sink the Liberty! The Zionist predators had mistakenly believed U.S. planes were also on their way to rescue the Liberty, so they were forced to stop their assault. Only then, did they admit to the U.S., that they were the culprits.

According to Hounam?s research, the White House knew within minutes of the Liberty attack, that the perpetrator was really Israel (p. 94). On two separate occasions, the White House recalled aircraft rescue missions for the Liberty. On the last attempt, LBJ told Rear-Admiral Lawrence Geis of the Sixth Fleet, ?I WILL NOT EMBARRASS OUR ALLY.? The Liberty was then left ?dead in the water,? without any assistance for over 16 hours. (See also, an excellent documentary of the same title by the BBC and affidavits and statements found at USSLiberty.org.)

At pp. 267-268, Hounam said, ?Sinking the Liberty and blaming Egypt and the Soviets would have freed Johnson?s hand to do almost anything - even to drop an atomic bomb on Cairo. Trouble only arose when the Israel operation failed - and the damned ship stayed afloat.?

Hounam revealed that within LBJ?s hawkish administration, there was shadowy clique that met under the rubric of the ?303 Committee.? Richard Helms, the late CIA Director, said that entity was, ?A device for examining covert operations of any kind and making a judgment on behalf of the President, so he wouldn?t be nailed with the thing, if it failed.?

Out of the ?303 Committee,? came a project labeled, ?Frontlet 615,? which was furthered defined as, ?A secret political agreement in 1966 by which Israel and the U.S. had vowed to destroy (Egypt?s Gamal Abdel) Nasser.? The military name for the operation was, ?Operation Cyanide.? The U.S. also had a draconian plan, entitled, ?Condition November,? a strategy for a pre-emptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union. All of the above ended up being interwoven into the tragic saga of the Liberty.

LBJ was an extremely ambitious man, who was, in 1967, seeking reelection. The Vietnam War was going badly for him and his popularity was plummeting. He had surrounded himself with Zionist zealots, like the late Walter Rostow, his Special Assistant for National Security Affairs.

Here is how Hounam described Rostow, ?A sinister, Svengali-like figure, or simply the biggest and best fixer? Of all the people in Johnson?s entourage, he was crucial in determining which way the U.S. might respond to the threatened hostilities in the Middle East... Rostow was a hawk who believed in the justness of the Vietnam War and, as a Jew, his Zionism was strongly felt and expressed...(He) had daily contact with the President. This gave him especially close access.? He had acquired enormous influence running the committee (303 Committee) that sanctioned covert operations by the CIA. He also knew in taking Israel?s side on most issues he was playing to the President?s tune. He described Johnson as the ?most pro-Semitic man? he had ever met.? Rostow was also an ?advisor? to LBJ when he used the phony ?Gulf of Tonkin Resolution,? in 1964, to launch the U.S. into the disastrous Vietnam War.

Just imagine for one moment, if an individual dedicated to putting America?s interests first - before the interests of the Zionists - had been the U.S. President on June 8, 1967. Instead of recalling our aircrafts that were on their way to rescue the Liberty, he (or she) would have ordered them to continue on their mission, not only to defend the Liberty and to stop the massacre, but to retaliated against the Zionist aggressors by bombing their naval base at the port of Ashdod, their military headquarters at Tel Aviv and Haifa, and for good measure, dropping a few MX missiles on Dimona, their secret nuke-making plant, located in the Negev desert. If, only?

What kind of man was LBJ? Well, here is what the distinguished British statesman, Denis Healey, one of his contemporaries, had to say about him: ?LYNDON JOHNSON WAS A MONSTER. He was one of the few politicians with whom I found it uncomfortable to be in the same room. He exuded a brutal lust for power which I found most disagreeable...? (p. 131).

As a result of the Six-Day War, the Israelis illegally seized vast areas of land belonging to Syria, Jordan, Egypt and the Palestinian people. It also began being armed by the U.S. and treated as a strategic ally. Since 1967, Donald Neff pointed out (WRMEA, 08/02), Israel has also received enormous amounts of U.S. aid. Incredibly, it is ?many times over the cost of the Marshall Plan to regenerate Western Europe after WWII.?

Query: Why are we giving billions of dollars of foreign aid to a country, Israel, that deliberately attacked and tried to sink our vessel, the Liberty, and that continues to make us more enemies in the Islamic World?

Finally, the last word on the horrors of the Israeli attack on the Liberty, and the cruel indifference of LBJ to its fate, has to be left to one of the injured survivors of that terror-filled day, Lt. George Golden, the Liberty?s chief engineer. He told author Hounam, (at p. 240-41), in a recent interview, ?We were the guinea pigs to get shot up, to make it look like the Egypt was doing this so the U.S. could step in...to give our country an excuse to get in there to help Israel...? When asked how he felt when he was told all of this about being damned guinea pigs, Golden responded, ?I thought I was going to cry because I couldn?t believe something like that would happen. I didn?t think our government was that way...?

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William Hughes is the author of ?Saying ?No? to the War Party? (Iuniverse, Inc.), which is avaiable at Amazon.com.

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/headlines/lbj_israel_the_uss_liberty_massacre

Cowardly and treasonous behavior on the part of our owned president and Congress.
 

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December Saturday 29 2007 (15h10) :
Managing Myth, Media Manufacturing
Managing Myth, Media Manufacturing By David Glenn Cox


The tragic death of Benizeir Bhutto in Rawlipindi Pakistan has moved America?s last manufacturing base into high gear. The American President Bush implies that it was Al Queda and Muslim extremists solely responsible, no investigation needed. Fred Thompson part time Republican presidential candidate and full time idiot came out on the day of Bhutto?s murder blaming Al Queda an Islamists with no proof what so ever.

Media myth number one, that Pakistan is a functioning democracy ruled over by a President and a Parliament. Pakistan is ruled over by a military dictator that came to power at the point of a gun in a military coup. It has a rump duma that it calls a Parliament but the president?s party rules over it by counting bullets not ballots. Any serious opposition to the military?s ruling General will be deliberated about from a prison cell.

A fact that Musharraf so recently proved by arresting opposition press and opposition politicians and replacing the judiciary all for their own protection of course. The thousands arrested in the dictator?s crack down where charged with anti state activity. You see, in Mushariff?s vision of democracy any anti Musharraf protest is considered anti state activity. The American media soft-pedaled Musharraf?s reelection ignoring that he was elected by a majority vote of a rump Parliament while the opposition parties boycotted the election. For that?s as far as free protest, excuse me, anti state activity is allowed to go in democratic Pakistan, you may only legally protest by remaining silent.

Bhutto?s murder is yet another sad chapter of the Bush administrations failed foreign policy. During the summer criticism had arisen over Musharraf?s inability to reign in extremist factions in the tribal region outlands bordering Afghanistan. The US State department then orchestrated Bhutto?s return only after she made public statements that she would do more than Musharraf to fight the extremism. Saying that she would allow foreign forces to strike into the tribal homelands, something that Musharraf had flatly refused to allow.

The plan was simple; to introduce the popular Bhutto into the political mix and then there by force the unpopular and unelected dictator to do as he was told by his handlers in Washington.

Media myth number two, that Islamic extremism is rife in Pakistan. What is rife in Pakistan is the opposition to the dictator Musharraf with less than 30% of the population claiming to support his reign. With limited opportunity to protest, I mean to practice anti state activity in Pakistan where else can the discontented gather and voice their discontent?

During dictator Musharraf?s martial law period who was it protesting in the streets? Islamic extremists or lawyers the middle class and University students. But to the American media myth makers its always best to devise good guys and the bad guys. Since Pakistan is an Islamic country it would be true enough to say that those protesting were in fact Muslims. But it is also just as true to say the majority of American troops in Iraq are Christians but few indeed believe that their faith plays any role in their posting. No American publication would dare to call the US invasion of Iraq an attack by Christian extremists.

Media myth number three, Muslim extremists wanted Bhutto dead. Muslim extremists didn?t like Bhutto to be sure but they don?t like Musharraf either, seeing them both as American lackeys but Bhutto was a thorn in Musharraf?s side killing Bhutto aides Musharraf far more than it aides Muslim extremists. Bhutto represented at least democratic change and the extremist would have had far more chance of advancing their agenda under Bhutto than under the military backed thug Musharraf.

Media myth number four, Bhutto was killed by a suicide bomber. Mrs. Bhutto according to her husband was killed by gunshot wounds to the chest and neck. The suicide bomber or more likely a planted bomb points to a military style professional ambush. Just as with America?s own assassination of President Kennedy a cover story or a fall guy is essential to obscure that a murder with a long gun requires precision timing and military style logistics.

In Mrs. Bhutto?s own hand was written that if she were killed that it would be at Musharraf?s direction. Again the American media myth manufacturers discount this a complaints of a rival political camp, however in November the Bhutto procession was attacked by bombs. Being denied jammers after one attempted bombing is tantamount to JFK riding in an open car in Dallas with no secret service protection riding on the back of the car. In both cases an appalling breach of protocol and common sense.

The November attack on Bhutto?s precession was preceded by the streetlights going out, again logistics and timing that points more toward government and military than to religious extremists. That religious extremists and extra governmental forces operate freely in the tribal homelands it is true enough but Rawalipindi is a military garrison town. Hardly a good location for Islamic extremists to attempt to operate an assassination plot yet no suspects have been arrested or rifles found.

Media myth number five, dictator Musharraf had accepted Mrs. Bhutto and was willing to work with her in a coalition style government. Absoulutly nothing could be further from the truth. Mrs. Bhutto?s return was orchestrated by the US State department and Mushariff was pressured to accept it. Just as Musharraf was pressured to crack down on the tribal areas and pressured to take off his uniform. The man is a dictator, he does nothing that he doesn?t want to do without being pressured to do so. And eleven billion US dollars is pressuring enough.

Now add to that mix an erstwhile US backed possible replacement. A popular populist harkening back to true democratic days. So what then is a dictator to do? Dictators by their very nature respond poorly to competition especially competition foisted on them by outsiders. So what would be the logical solution to a gun toting general who came to power with bullets when confronted by a single populist leader foisted upon him by a foreign power seeking to manipulate him.

To the American media myth manufacturers Musharraf is a democratically elected President of Pakistan. Their belief in his Presidency is unshakeable but inside the corridors of American power the blowback is as obvious to the administration as it is embarrassing. An American funded dictator has murdered an American backed political rival and they won?t believe Musharraf?s claims of innocence any more than I do. The administration has remained for the most part silent, what can they say? They?ve been outsmarted yet again; the dog has broken his leash. But ask Manuel Noriega what happens when you double cross Uncle Sam? Ask Saddam Hussein what happens to those who don?t follow orders.

Musharraf is counting on two factors, Bhutto was a cult of personality not a movement, without Bhutto the opposition is rudderless. Number two is the calendar, that Bush?s time in office is almost up and that they need Musharraf too much to replace him. Islamic extremism is now being used to Musharraf?s advantage, turning his failure to control tribal homelands into his life insurance policy.

But Musharraf?s violation of the leash law won?t be forgotten or forgiven. The media myth makers will begin now to tell us of his failures. His white cowboy hat will darken almost overnight just as Noriega?s and Saddam?s did. He will be vilified from a democratic President to brutal thug just as soon as we have someone trustworthy waiting in the wings to replace him.

The intense sadness of all this is that the will of the Pakistani people is thwarted by murder and thuggery and it cannot be disguised. But in its obviousness and the media cover up it give us opportunity to expose the media myth makers for the frauds that they are. Frauds by omission and misdirection. Ignoring obvious facts with government sponsored propaganda. But who can blame them for trying? They convinced a nation that Bush was lawfully elected, twice! That a man shot from behind will have his brains fly out the back of his head and that buildings hit at high speed with cause prestressed concrete to dissolve into powder and steel to melt like butter.

I have a greater faith in Penn and Teller than in the American media. No better than the Soviet Tass news agency or the Voelkischer Beobachter only the news that fits the government agenda. The last great manufacturing facilities in America, the lie factories.
 

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PENTAGON CHIEFS PLANNED FOR JET ATTACK


MILITARY chiefs were so convinced terrorists could fly a plane
into the Pentagon that they planned for an attack.

Almost 11 months before the September 11 suicide mission killed
189 people at America's defence headquarters, they carried out a
detailed emergency exercise.

US authorities have consistently claimed they had no idea
al-Qaeda was thinking of crashing planes into buildings.
President Bush insists no one ever had considered such a
devastating attack.

But a report reveals that between October 24 and 26 2000,
military planners held an exercise to prepare for "incidents
including a passenger plane crashing into the Pentagon".

The report in an internal Pentagon newspaper reads like an
account of what actually happened: "The fire and smoke from the
downed aircraft billows from the courtyard.

"Defence Protective Services Police seal the crash site. Army
medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organise aid ... Fire
Department chief dispatches his equipment."

Democrats said the Mass Casualty Exercise added to proof that
different arms of government did not know what others were doing.

Senator Bob Graham, who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee,
said: "We have a lot of information coming but it is not going to
the same source for analysis.

"So A knows part one, B knows part two and C knows part three but
nobody knows all the parts."

Pentagon emergency planning spokesman Glen Flood said: "We had
been aware there could be possible aeroplane accidents and we
have had various tabletop exercises."

The hijackers of the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania intended
to hit the White House, it was revealed.

White House sources said the information had come from Abu
Zubaydah, a senior al-Qaeda terrorist who is being questioned at
an undisclosed destination.

The White House faced more embarrassment after the independent
Centre for Immigration Studies said at least half the 48 Muslim
militants linked to terrorist plots in the US since 1993 had
broken or abused immigration laws to stay in America.
 
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