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Bush is keeping Americans safe huh? He's responsible for 4,000 American corpses. Putting people in a position to be killed. One that he himself never allowed himself to be in. The coward that he is never allow himself to face combat, but he sure as hell don't mind if you or your kids do. The same goes for Dick "5 military deferment" Cheney. They keep this war going on because they care about Iraqis, they don't even care about Americans never mind Iraqis.

Fascist republicans don't care about life, just their own, as long as there is a profit being made. Why the hell are we still there over there?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22575906/
 

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Bush is keeping Americans safe huh? He's responsible for 4,000 American corpses. Putting people in a position to be killed. One that he himself never allowed himself to be in. The coward that he is never allow himself to face combat, but he sure as hell don't mind if you or your kids do. The same goes for Dick "5 military deferment" Cheney. They keep this war going on because they care about Iraqis, they don't even care about Americans never mind Iraqis.

Fascist republicans don't care about life, just their own, as long as there is a profit being made. Why the hell are we still there over there?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22575906/

This is almost too intelligent to reply too....wait...is this a cut and paste from the Daily Kos/Media Matters website talking points...I thought so...nevermind.
 

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As an aside to the topic......

One has to admit, the guy currently gathering momentum for the GOP has steadfastly refused to distance himself from what was supposed to be one of the 2-3 major issues in this election year.

Does this mean "the surge" is having its planned effect? Maybe, but that Mahdi army currently sitting on the bench means there is a large, motivated, and capable extremist outfit that has to be accounted for before we pull up our stakes there.

Or, does this give us another reason not to trust the electorate? The attention span of a 5-yr old on XMas morning! What do we care about? The answer is complex, and regional, but is it the economy/value of the dollar? Healthcare and how to best start fixing the system? Immigration? Environment/creating energy "independence?

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

Its a critical point in history. Will me move to embracing completely our role in the world community? Or will we circle the wagons? McCain is a strange candidate for the GOP to embrace in my lifetime. He looks to have the bona fides regarding experience & vision. He seems flexible w/o being wishy-washy, capaple of being an enforcer if necessary. It'd be nice to think a "compassionate" conservative that appears unbuyable has a shot. All those catchwords would fill a list defining "leadership." I know this sounds like, but it is not, an endorsement.

I think its just the current temperature, personally, but I admire the guy for his consistency & resiliency. If he were an orator on par with Huckabee or Obama, this might already be over.

:0corn Curious about everyone's thoughts......D:SIB C
 

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Bush is keeping """Americans"""" safe huh? He's responsible for 4,000 """"American""" corpses. They keep this war going on because they care about Iraqis, they don't even care about Americans never mind Iraqis.

Fascist republicans don't care about life, just their own, as long as there is a profit being made. Why the hell are """"we""""" still there over there?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22575906/

well,which is it,hosebag?....is it "we"...or is it "americans"........

stop being such an ethereal asswipe and state your affiliation...

are you a jihadi sympathizer?.....I know you are...but,how about a little truth in advertizing?

we have some pretty dense buckets of denseness in this forum...you have to spell it out for them...

i know for your ilk it`s considered honorable to lie to the kaffir...

but,for once in your miserable life,man up...

then,hopefully,for most of these lemmings,the light bulb will finally go on....
 

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I see were sending 3000 marines back to Afghanistan. We sent additional 1500 last July. This is why I believe we made mistake by not completing mission there before starting a second one. There also is a number of nato troops there to. Not many but at least some.
As for Iraq and Mc Cains few. I believe it will cost him election if he even is nominee.
And we can't leave they say till there government is ready.
70% of Americans thinks that is B S. Tell them there all wrong. G L
 

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well,which is it,hosebag?....is it "we"...or is it "americans"........

stop being such an ethereal asswipe and state your affiliation...

are you a jihadi sympathizer?.....I know you are...but,how about a little truth in advertizing?

we have some pretty dense buckets of denseness in this forum...you have to spell it out for them...

i know for your ilk it`s considered honorable to lie to the kaffir...

but,for once in your miserable life,man up...

then,hopefully,for most of these lemmings,the light bulb will finally go on....

So if you're not for American soldiers dying in Iraq then you're a jihadi sympathizer? If you are for Americans dying in Iraq then you're a Bush republican fascist.
Bush got on tv in Mar 03 and declared war on Iraq knowing Americans would die but he didn't care. He knew he wasn't going to die. Now he has big b@lls to go to war, but when it was his turn to go to war where was all this fight for freedom and justice? He kept his @ss safe and at home. What's gets me most is that Americans are ok with this. Willing to give up their kids lives to follow this guy. Above all, this guy is a dummy.

Bush has done no good to America since he's been in office. His fascist government has helped his friends but the average American has been screwed by this guy. Well soon he'll be gone, this lame d#ck, i mean lame di#k President.

Bush's boss at the Car. group said that Bush, who had been with the group for 3 years, about firing Bush, he came to work everyday not doing anything but telling corny jokes, he had to let him go.

Bush is willing to let another 400 soldiers die while he's in office.

I don't think the dems will change much. Think about it. It's not dems vs. repubs, it's the rich against the poor. The parties just mask what's really going on, parties keep the people divded, against each other. a house divded against itself can not stand.

Iraq is part of a land grab and American lives mean nothing. There is money to be made. This is very sad.
 

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So if you're not for American soldiers dying in Iraq then you're a jihadi sympathizer? If you are for Americans dying in Iraq then you're a Bush republican fascist.
Bush got on tv in Mar 03 and declared war on Iraq knowing Americans would die but he didn't care. He knew he wasn't going to die. Now he has big b@lls to go to war, but when it was his turn to go to war where was all this fight for freedom and justice? He kept his @ss safe and at home. What's gets me most is that Americans are ok with this. Willing to give up their kids lives to follow this guy. Above all, this guy is a dummy.

Bush has done no good to America since he's been in office. His fascist government has helped his friends but the average American has been screwed by this guy. Well soon he'll be gone, this lame d#ck, i mean lame di#k President.

Bush's boss at the Car. group said that Bush, who had been with the group for 3 years, about firing Bush, he came to work everyday not doing anything but telling corny jokes, he had to let him go.

Bush is willing to let another 400 soldiers die while he's in office.

I don't think the dems will change much. Think about it. It's not dems vs. repubs, it's the rich against the poor. The parties just mask what's really going on, parties keep the people divded, against each other. a house divded against itself can not stand.

Iraq is part of a land grab and American lives mean nothing. There is money to be made. This is very sad.

i get the bush hatred...it`s like an irrational, communicable disease that afflicts lemmings...and renders them unable to discern nuance...unable to analyze different policies of an administration and render an objective opinion on different aspects of the current government...

it forces them to lump everything together,and to scream,"no war for oil!",haliburton!","carlisle group!"and "impeachment!"....in other words,they`re in need of a mental tune-up....

but,no problem there...you aren`t alone...

but,you didn`t answer my question...are you of middle eastern descent?...do you feel more of an allegiance to the middle east than this country?...

.if that is the case,i`ll have more respect for you and it will help me understand your irrational hatred of this country and our military...

it`s just an internet forum......if you`re just defending your peeps,then it is what it is...
 
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Bush is a born American, yet he has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda. His grandfather helped bankroll the nazis while they were killing Americans for profit. You see it runs in the family.

I'am retired military, 20 years, 1 week, 2 days. My brother served in the Navy. My youngest son will be entering the military next month.

Why is it that deaths of US serviceman don't bother republicans? If the deaths are not a worry how about the taxpayers dollars that he's are pouring into that moneypit? 190 billion that is to be borrowed from the 65% foreign stockholders owned federal reserve bank. America paying interest on it's own money. This enables the federal reserve bank to turn a pretty profit.

This is what a fascist government does when you're at the beck and call of banks, drug, energy corporations.

You're not from Israel are you? That would explain alot, why you're pulling for the war and the attacking of Iran. You want America to do the heavy lifting, dying and spending of money. I bet you backed Liberman, didn't you?

Bush is talking about slowing the withdrawal of Troops from Iraq. He can't stop the withdrawal of his @ss from the Whitehouse next Jan.

Bushs' have built a career on the dead bodies of Americans and you republicans are willing to throw your children on the pile, for a profit.

Are you one of the republicans that think Iraq planned the attacks on the WTC?
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keep this going..........

you've got good fight in you spy......don't bring 9/11 into it.........

I know you've both been :00x27 , but let it go. Iraq is reality. We're stuck finishing the job started. Bush et al made an egregious error gettting us in. He's lucky he's not responsible for the end game. Complex problem now, but its OUR problem. Election season will serve to divide us, but 2009 is coming just as fast as 2008 did, so lets start bouncing around ideas that help everyone instead of picking sides and going at each other. Your words spy (sort of).."a house divided cannot stand".....never rang more true. If you dont like like the way the GOP has done business, your time is now. 3 yrs of Dem Congress + dem White House is near. If Big Willie Style circa 1992-94 is your flavor, its coming again soon. So far, this "mandate" of "change" has done little to inspire me. The Dems have only caved in thus far with their pseudomajority, but they will soon see strikes......and bp fastballs at that, at least until Apr 2009. What do we do with it then?

Fix the things we can fix right now, I say. We have flexed plenty in the Middle East., so to speak. Our position is well-known. Negotiate w/ Russia & China over the goods...........that's where the juice is inthat region. Al-Qeada, islamic extremists, terrorists..........name your devil; the reality is that we need a hand on the tiller that can broker a solution that makes the real heavy hitters happy. Until the discussion comes to these players, all we are doing is wasting our time,and many lives, on both sides.

rah, rah, rah................i know.

like banter, but this left v right shit has produced only entertaining cynicism............no ideas on the next step. dunno answer myself, but we got good brainpans on both side of the ideology..........lets start a negotiation for the fawk of it and see if works. if it won't work on our level, then forget the big game.....right?

tired of fighting...... :shrug:
 

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Bush is a born American, yet he has killed more Americans than Al-Qaeda. His grandfather helped bankroll the nazis while they were killing Americans for profit. You see it runs in the family.

I'am retired military, 20 years, 1 week, 2 days. My brother served in the Navy. My youngest son will be entering the military next month.

Why is it that deaths of US serviceman don't bother republicans? If the deaths are not a worry how about the taxpayers dollars that he's are pouring into that moneypit? 190 billion that is to be borrowed from the 65% foreign stockholders owned federal reserve bank. America paying interest on it's own money. This enables the federal reserve bank to turn a pretty profit.

This is what a fascist government does when you're at the beck and call of banks, drug, energy corporations.

You're not from Israel are you? That would explain alot, why you're pulling for the war and the attacking of Iran. You want America to do the heavy lifting, dying and spending of money. I bet you backed Liberman, didn't you?

Bush is talking about slowing the withdrawal of Troops from Iraq. He can't stop the withdrawal of his @ss from the Whitehouse next Jan.

Bushs' have built a career on the dead bodies of Americans and you republicans are willing to throw your children on the pile, for a profit.

Are you one of the republicans that think Iraq planned the attacks on the WTC?
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no...i`m not israeli,nor am i jewish...not one iota....i`m a mongrel...italian/greek/irish and scottish...

and you STILL haven`t answered the question...are you of middle eastern heritage?..

thats a toughie...i understand...


20 years in the military and your youngest son is entering next month?....after reading your posts,do you realize how absurd that sounds?...

you`re sending your youngest off to fight the evil bush`s war?...to line the pockets of big business?...

not likely...think before you post...

btw...banks ,drug and energy corporations are the hub of what has made this the most formidable economic power on earth...only in the minds of leftists,socialists,and disenfranchised ex-hippies are successful corporations the devil...

anyway,i don`t believe you give one whit about the u.s. taxpayer....thats not your agenda....

whats sad is that some "real" americans on this board...guys that actually believe in this country,sit back,smile and nod their misshapen heads when jihadi sympathizers like yourself compare bush to hitler......

they have no sense of the sacrifices those before them have made so they can rant like a homeless guy on a manhattan street corner without bushitler coming down on them w/ the storm troopers.....

they are the sons and daughters of the drug addled 60`s generation,i guess...they need some ridiculous conspiracy or cabal to give their insignificant lives some purpose....but,i give you credit in one respect...you use these imbeciles to your advantage...with your jewish/corporate conspiracies and bushitler rhetoric...

ironic,that you equate the bush administration to those who turned jews into lampshades and ashes....accusing america of being just like the nazis that you deny deliberately baked virtually millions to try and achieve genocide...

just like your peeps are doing in darfur,the philipines,thailand...virtually every corner of the globe...

irony abounds...
 

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whats sad is that some "real" americans on this board...guys that actually believe in this country,sit back,smile and nod their misshapen heads when jihadi sympathizers like yourself compare bush to hitler......
While this line is near poetry, I have to consider the reams of "conservative" rhetoric that you have posted on this board, I find your statement particularly "ironic".

You're right Weasey, it certainly "abounds".

My prayers go out to the families of the fallen soldiers.
 

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no...i`m not israeli,nor am i jewish...not one iota....i`m a mongrel...italian/greek/irish and scottish...

and you STILL haven`t answered the question...are you of middle eastern heritage?..

thats a toughie...i understand...


20 years in the military and your youngest son is entering next month?....after reading your posts,do you realize how absurd that sounds?...

you`re sending your youngest off to fight the evil bush`s war?...to line the pockets of big business?...

not likely...think before you post...

btw...banks ,drug and energy corporations are the hub of what has made this the most formidable economic power on earth...only in the minds of leftists,socialists,and disenfranchised ex-hippies are successful corporations the devil...

anyway,i don`t believe you give one whit about the u.s. taxpayer....thats not your agenda....

whats sad is that some "real" americans on this board...guys that actually believe in this country,sit back,smile and nod their misshapen heads when jihadi sympathizers like yourself compare bush to hitler......

they have no sense of the sacrifices those before them have made so they can rant like a homeless guy on a manhattan street corner without bushitler coming down on them w/ the storm troopers.....

they are the sons and daughters of the drug addled 60`s generation,i guess...they need some ridiculous conspiracy or cabal to give their insignificant lives some purpose....but,i give you credit in one respect...you use these imbeciles to your advantage...with your jewish/corporate conspiracies and bushitler rhetoric...

ironic,that you equate the bush administration to those who turned jews into lampshades and ashes....accusing america of being just like the nazis that you deny deliberately baked virtually millions to try and achieve genocide...

just like your peeps are doing in darfur,the philipines,thailand...virtually every corner of the globe...

irony abounds...

GW Thats the prob-anoymous/unverifiable posters-- can be anyone they want to be if it suits the situation-
The KOS/move on crowd all have "procalimed" ex miltary in their code pinko's ranks. Spy has as bout as much chance as having miltary backround as the guy the other day here that had friend that served in WW1-Korean War and Nam that said he take jail over Iraq.
I'll find day when I see him online in forum and pose question to him and see what his chances are of being military ;)
 

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us casualites are much higer than 4k, they lie about that just like Nam .... the iraq deal is :shrug: chaos, always has been,war always will be,we dont need it bc sacrificing lives is never an answer, we start this crap and try to spin it otherwise, we all know this unless we are blind
 

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Yep just like your liberal blogs 650,000#
What a bunch of liberal lemmings-
P.S. keep your conspiracy BS confined to your thread and liberal blogs
P.S. Will have another for you tomorrow on NYT and their death figures of troops returning--it is wreaked full of BS once again trying to degrade the troops.



Anti-War Billionaire George Soros Funded Iraq Study
Sunday, January 13, 2008

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A study that claimed 650,000 people were killed as a result of the invasion of Iraq was partly funded by the antiwar billionaire George Soros.

Soros, 77, provided almost half the nearly $100,000 cost of the research, which appeared in The Lancet, the medical journal. Its claim was 10 times higher than consensus estimates of the number of war dead.

The study, published in 2006, was hailed by antiwar campaigners as evidence of the scale of the disaster caused by the invasion, but Downing Street and President George Bush challenged its methodology.

New research published by The New England Journal of Medicine estimates that 151,000 people - less than a quarter of The Lancet estimate - have died since the invasion in 2003.

?The authors should have disclosed the [Soros] donation and for many people that would have been a disqualifying factor in terms of publishing the research,? said Michael Spagat, economics professor at Royal Holloway, University of London.

The Lancet study was commissioned by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and led by Les Roberts, an associate professor and epidemiologist at Columbia University. He reportedly opposed the war from the outset.

His team surveyed 1,849 homes at 47 sites across Iraq, asking people about births, deaths and migration in their households.

Professor John Tirman of MIT said this weekend that $46,000 of the approximate $100,000 cost of the study had come from Soros?s Open Society Institute.

Roberts said this weekend: ?In retrospect, it was probably unwise to have taken money that could have looked like it would result in a political slant. I am adamant this could not have affected the outcome of the research.?

The Lancet did not break any rules by failing to disclose Soros?s sponsorship.
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--and while on subject lets look at a little oral history of Newsweeks attempt to cover up best story in presidential history-- ;)
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article3185449.ece
---On the evening of Saturday January 17, 1998, the internet gossip merchant Matt Drudge posted a story that opened the most sensational scandal season in the history of the American presidency. He reported that Newsweek magazine had killed a story about President Clinton?s sexual relationship with a former intern. The next day he had her name: Monica Lewinsky.

The mainstream media were slow to catch up, but by the following Tuesday they were reporting that Clinton was being investigated for encouraging others to lie to cover up the affair--
 

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clue in dogs, you no.'s are way off, listen to the truth my man.

how many are dead in iraq, do you have an abacus there for their civillians ... you print errors, i can correct them--have a great day :00hour
 

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So here are again. If you think the Iraqi war is a colossal mistake that is unjustifiably costing American lives and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars you are part of the Anti-American, code pink, liberal commie left.

You wanna be conservatives get more pathetic every day. I could bury you dupes with retired generals who oppose the war, but I will start with this one. Tell me, you neocon nimrods, is this guy a part of the code pink crowd? Is this guy not a true American?
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Lt. Gen. Greg Newbold, the former operations director for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not only slams the secretary and what he calls "the unnecessary war" but also urges active-duty officers who share his views to speak up. Newbold resigned his position in late 2002?quite a gesture, since he was widely regarded as a candidate for the next Marine Corps commandant. His fellow officers knew he resigned over the coming war in Iraq. The public and the president did not. He writes in Time:

I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat?al-Qaeda. ? [T]he Pentagon's military leaders ? with few exceptions, acted timidly when their voices urgently needed to be heard. When they knew the plan was flawed, saw intelligence distorted to justify a rationale for war, or witnessed arrogant micromanagement that at times crippled the military's effectiveness, many leaders who wore the uniform chose inaction. ? It is time for senior military leaders to discard caution in expressing their views and ensure that the President hears them clearly. And that we won't be fooled again.
 

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--and while on subject lets look at a little oral history of Newsweeks attempt to cover up best story in presidential history-- ;)
http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article3185449.ece
---On the evening of Saturday January 17, 1998, the internet gossip merchant Matt Drudge posted a story that opened the most sensational scandal season in the history of the American presidency. He reported that Newsweek magazine had killed a story about President Clinton?s sexual relationship with a former intern. The next day he had her name: Monica Lewinsky.

The mainstream media were slow to catch up, but by the following Tuesday they were reporting that Clinton was being investigated for encouraging others to lie to cover up the affair--

DTB, your Clinton obsession has gone from pathetic, to disturbing, and now its just comical.
 

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Thanks for reminding us again of Drudge's hard on for all things Clinton, Wayne. I do agree that he does gravitate to anything sensational that can portray the democrats in a bad light. If memory serves, we have seen Hillary repeatedly Pillaried (how many opportunistic bad flash photos of her can he copy and paste onto his main spot?!?), Obama highlighted with repeat negativity, and my personal highlight of the Drudge dem-based attacks of the winter - the National Enquirer linked story on John Edwards supposed affair - when the headline was the leading story for hours that day on Drudge, while there was actually no story on the Enquirer site other than a headline...

Nothing like objectivity in examples, right?
 

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Jabbers didn't say a thing about those with opinions of war---refer totally to the liberals/media intent to put troops/war in worst possible light to shore up their political objectives--ie making up story's if necessary--Heres NYT latest front page--

long version
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html
condensed report
Sat Jan 12, 10:41 PM ET



WASHINGTON (AFP) - A study conducted by The New York Times has found 121 murder cases in the United States, which involve veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars following their return from the front.

The newspaper said that in many cases, combat trauma and stress from overseas deployment appear to have set the stage for the killings, along with alcohol abuse and family problems.

The research showed an 89 percent increase -- from 184 cases to 349 -- in the six years following the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan in the number of homicides involving active-duty military personnel and new veterans, The Times said.

About three-quarters of these cases involved Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans.

More than half the crimes involved guns while the rest were stabbings, beatings, strangulations and bathtub drownings, the report said.

Twenty-five offenders faced murder, manslaughter or homicide charges for fatal car crashes resulting from drunken, reckless or suicidal driving.

About a third of the victims were spouses, girlfriends, children or other relatives, among them two-year-old Krisiauna Calaira Lewis, whose 20-year-old father slammed her against a wall when he was recuperating in Texas from a bombing near Falluja that severed his foot and damaged his brain, The Times said.

However, a quarter of the victims were fellow service members, including Army Specialist Richard Davis, who was stabbed and then set ablaze by fellow soldiers a day after they all returned from Iraq, the paper noted.

Three-quarters of the suspects were still in the military at the time of the crimes.

To compile the list, The Times conducted a search of local news reports, examined police, court and military records and interviewed the defendants, their lawyers and families as well as the victims?’ families.

It said the study most likely uncovered only the minimum number of such cases, given the fact that not all killings, especially in big cities and on military bases, are reported publicly or in detail.
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Looking at this I see several things left out of equation--like these #'s are bad compared to what?

2 wars 4 years bout 200,000 troops/year
These # would have the ghetto dwellers/gangbangers looking like choir boys and probably general population--no time to check now--but sure there will be others checking this obvious attempt to put troops in worst light AGAIN by these liberal rags.
 
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