Bedard to Mariners for Jones +++

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Been discussions forever now about it but finally appears deal is done. Adam Jones was pulled from the Venezuelan world series and according to coach Luis Sojo he is heading to baltimore for a physical.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/jon_heyman/01/27/scoop.bedard/index.html?eref=writers

is Heymans take. Also says Brian Roberts will be dealt to cubs after bedard deal is announced for Gallagher and Pie.

Here is another take on mariners trade

http://prospectinsider.com/2008/01/27/jones-bedard-deal-99-percent-done/

So if these deals go down the orioles will have one of the best young outfields in the game with Jones, Pie and MArkakis.

They still need a shortstop and second baseman but they have an abundance of starting pitching to use to get a young shortstop and second baseman.

If these deals go down they have the following starters ready for the majors

Daniel Cabrera
Jeremy Guthrie
Adam Loewen
Garrett Olson
Matt Albers
Troy Patton
Sean Gallagher
Radhames Liz
Hayden Penn

with these guys a couple years out

Tony Butler
Chris Tillman
Jake Arrieta
Brandon Erbe
Pedro Beato
Chorye Spoone


they also have some pen depth so Sherrill or Walker could be dealt.

Jamie Walker
Chad Bradford
Randor Bierd (rule 5 has to stay on club)
Greg Aquino
Brian Burres
Fernando Cabrera
Dennis Safarate
Bob McCroy
Rocky Cherry
James Hoey
 

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This is just another mind-numbingly bad trade by Bill Bavasi. If there was even a sliver of doubt that he is the worst GM in baseball, I think this trade pretty much cements that reputation.

Adam Jones will be one of the best outfielders in baseball for years to come. He was viewed as the 2nd best prospect in their farm system for years (after Felix). Also, while most people don't know who George Sherrill is, he's one of the best situational lefties in the game. I see they also threw in Tillman. Again, another prospect that should be a stud before all is said and done.

And for all this they get... Erik Bedard? Wow. . I've always liked Bedard, and I've always thought he was a bit underrated. But the M's are getting absolutely FLEECED if they give up Jones for Bedard straight up, let alone throwing Sherrill and Tillman in the deal.

Also, it's not like Bedard's 21 and has a good 10-15 years in him. Adam Jones will be an All-Star for 10+ years. Can't say the same thing about Bedard.

Congrats to all O's fans. Bavasi got raped on this deal... yet again.
 

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Bavasi feels the need to win now i guess. The mariners get Bedard for two years and a one two of Bedard and Hernandez is as good as it gets.

The question is if Bedard can stay healthy and thow for 200+ innings.
 

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Like I said, I like Bedard. I'm still not sold on him being a #1 though. I think he's a good/very good #2. And like you said, he's had injury issues.

As for the M's wanting to win now, one pitcher isn't going to make a difference. I won't say that Felix has been a bust, but he hasn't come anywhere close to living up to the hype. Based on the numbers he's put up, I would say he's a #3 starter right now. And bear in mind that at this point in his career, he was projected to be a DOMINANT #1. And the other 3 starters (Batista, Washburn and Silva) aren't very good at all. Their bullpen is good, but they just gave away one of their key cogs.

Perhaps the most frustrating thing about this is that, just a few years ago, the M's had a chance to win it all. Unfortunately, "Stand Pat" Gillick was the GM at the time and he refused to part with young talent to push the team over the hump. Now, when the M's SHOULD be in a rebuilding mode, you have a selfish prick as a GM who is more concerned about keeping his job, so he's willing to give away great young talent to win a few more games and save his job for another year or two. Disgraceful...
 

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Well Glenn you may get your wish.

Late word out of bmore is that our retarded fook of an owner Angelos killed the deal. Supposedly the deal was set the players were on route to take physicals and Angelos woke up today and had a change of heart and killed the deal.

This isnt the first time he did it. The orioles are screwed until he sells the team. He has killed this franchise. If it turns out he did kill the deal i cant see Macphail hangin around and I can see a huge walkout on opening day.
 

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Adam Jones remains in Venezuela and said he told the Venezuelan press nothing about a trade to the Orioles, though he did admit that the Mariners insisted he sit out winter league games for now.
The Mariners probably just wanted to plug the leak. There have been several indications that the deal sending Erik Bedard to Seattle needs only Orioles owner Peter Angelos' approval, plus physcials for the players involved. That doesn't necessarily mean Angelos won't kill the trade, as he has several deals before. But it appears the GMs are in agreement.

Source: KOMO 1000 Radio

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The Seattle Times in confirming that Adam Jones told a Venezuelan paper on Sunday that he was being traded to the Orioles, and an Orioles source told the Baltimore Sun that Jones was scheduled for a physical Monday in Baltimore.
Those plans changed, probably because the Orioles still hadn't gotten approval from Peter Angelos. Jones later changed his story, saying he didn't tell anyone he had been traded and was going to Baltimore for a physical, but that's almost certainly what the Mariners told him to say. The Times' Geoff Baker heard the audio recording that confirmed Jones' quotes from Sunday. All indications are that the Bedard deal is in the hands of Angelos, but that Angelos had something else to do today and wasn't ready to give the thumbs up or down.

Source: Seattle Times
 

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Source: M's deal for Bedard on hold
By Ken Rosenthal
Ken Rosenthal has been the senior baseball writer for FOXSports.com since Aug. 2005. He appears weekly on the FSN Baseball Report and MLB on FOX.

Updated: January 28, 2008, 10:20 PM EST

The Mariners' quest to land Orioles lefty Erik Bedard is on hold — and possibly off — due to the involvement of O's owner Peter Angelos, according to major-league sources.






The reasons for Angelos' hesitation are unclear. Angelos' first choice is to sign Bedard to a contract extension, according to one source. The owner was under the impression that Bedard was unwilling to consider such a deal, the source says, but recently learned that the pitcher would entertain an offer if the Orioles were willing to extend him at least five years.

Other sources dispute that notion, saying that the Orioles are furious with the Mariners for allowing their trade talks to become so public. The Orioles, one of the sources says, are now holding out for an even better package.

The trade amounts to a litmus test for the authority of Andy MacPhail, the Orioles president of baseball operations, who was hired last summer with the understanding that he would operate with autonomy over baseball operations.

Angelos has a history of interfering with his front office over personnel moves. His involvement has caused tension with several prior general managers.

On Monday, MacPhail denied that a deal with Seattle was in place.

"There really is no change. We are still having discussions, but we don't have an agreement," MacPhail said Monday.

MacPhail said he didn't expect that to change "over the next few days," but added, "anything can happen."

On Sunday, the Mariners asked prized outfield prospect Adam Jones to return to the U.S. from winter ball in Venezuela, according to sources, in what appeared to be a strong indication that a deal for Bedard was close.

Jones is the centerpiece of the Mariners' offer for Bedard, and the team would not want him to risk injury by continuing to play if the trade was imminent. Jones' Venezuelan Winter League team is currently in the playoffs.


According to The Seattle Times, Jones was headed to Baltimore for a physical on Sunday. Seattle's offer was also expected to include left-handed reliever George Sherrill, minor league righty Chris Tillman and one or two other prospects.

"(Mariners general manager Bill Bavasi) called me yesterday and told me the news," Jones told a reporter from Diario Panorama in Venezuela on Sunday, according to the Times. "I've got to go to Baltimore tomorrow morning and handle things there. I'm the centerpiece of the deal on the Mariners' side. It's an honor to get traded for such a highly talented pitcher as Bedard is."

Jones was called up by the Mariners last August. He hit .246 with two home runs in 65 at-bats. He's expected to compete for a starting job in Seattle's outfield this spring.

The Orioles' trade of Bedard would signal a major reconstruction. Another significant deal involving second baseman Brian Roberts likely would follow. The Cubs remain heavily interested in Roberts, and the Orioles could receive prospects such as pitcher Sean Gallagher and outfielder Felix Pie or veterans such as RHP Jason Marquis and outfielder Matt Murton.

Earlier this offseason, the Orioles traded shortstop Miguel Tejada to the Astros for five younger players.
 

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And a great article from Maese of baltimore sun

Familiar hangup for O's?

Rick Maese

8:13 PM EST, January 28, 2008


Let's start today with some unsolicited travel tips, shall we?

Erik Bedard, if you and your magical left arm are just now booking your spring-training flight to Fort Lauderdale, Fla., be advised that you might want to opt for a transferable fare.

And Peter Angelos, esteemed owner of the Baltimore Orioles Baseball Club, if fans' fears are confirmed and you're even considering vetoing a blockbuster trade, you might want to start traveling under an assumed name.

And Andy MacPhail, a respected baseball mind charged with resurrecting baseball in Baltimore, if your boss won't allow you to do what's needed to improve this team, you might want to start pricing one-way fares out of town.

What are we to make of the odd stalemate that has developed between the Orioles and the Seattle Mariners, teams reportedly close to a trade that would ship Bedard westward and bring three to four prospects to Baltimore?

Lips went on lockdown today, and speculation outpaced actual developments. But despite the baffling facade of this deal, there is some certainty. Forget about wondering which uniform colors Bedard will wear next season, what happens in the next couple of days will go a long way toward determining the Orioles' future. Put simply: We're about to learn just how likely and how feasible it really is for MacPhail to rebuild this franchise.

Since the trade was reportedly near completion Sunday evening, the two sides have barely budged. Inaction has fueled fan paranoia, and we're left to sift through mostly conjecture, innuendo, unnamed sources and second-hand information. The exact details will be known soon enough, but the perceptions of what is and isn't happening reflect poorly on the Orioles.

It certainly seemed as if the two teams agreed to some form of terms over the weekend -- at least the baseball people assigned to make baseball decisions for the respective teams agreed to terms. And they began to make preparations. The Mariners yanked outfielder Adam Jones from his Venezuelan Winter League team and prepared him to come to Baltimore for a physical.

From Seattle's end, they clearly thought they were close to a done deal. A doctor's stamp of approval for Jones could have been the last obstacle. But Jones never showed up for a physical.

Here in Baltimore, you can never be certain a deal is done. While the Mariners started moving their chess pieces around the Northern Hemisphere, the Orioles' front office had a much bigger move: running the proposal through Angelos' office, where many a deal has died and many an idea has sat and collected dust.

Something happened between Sunday morning and Sunday night, from the time the Mariners told Jones to pack his bags and the time the Orioles said no physical was pending. Reportedly, Angelos happened, which is rarely a good thing. He might not have nixed the deal entirely -- and in theory, it could still go down any minute -- but the momentum seems to have ground to a halt.

Angelos was unavailable today and unable to tend to baseball matters. That should be a good thing, because he has baseball men who are paid to make baseball decisions. And if MacPhail really was close to finalizing a deal with the Mariners, he should have the authority to pull the trigger.

This, of course, speaks to the very thing Orioles fans fear most: The authority and autonomy MacPhail was granted when he signed up for Baltimore's Great Reconstruction Project was a false promise. If Bedard isn't posing with a Mariners cap by the end of the week, the facts won't even matter, because everyone in baseball will be convinced Angelos again got in the way.

MacPhail has been working on this deal for weeks; if he thinks it's the best he could get, what information or reasoning could Angelos possibly have that warrants either a veto or extended discussions?

As most Orioles fan know, this discussion isn't really about Bedard, and it's not really about Jones or any other Mariners prospects. This one speaks to the core of this organization's persisting problems; it speaks to the past, and it speaks to the future.

This one is about MacPhail and his ability to build this franchise. Is he on a leash? Is he trusted by his boss? Does he stand a chance of accomplishing something here that other honorable and hopeful men before him failed at?

These aren't new questions. They were same ones Orioles fans posed the day MacPhail signed up for what might be the toughest job in baseball, and they've been asked nearly every day since.

Well, wait no more. The way this Bedard trade plays out could finally provide the answers.

rick.maese@baltsun.com
 

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Well I hope for the M's sake it doesn't happen. However, if Jones isn't dealt in this deal, you can rest assured that there will be another deal in which Bavasi gets jobbed and gives away Jones and other young talent for little in return.

He has been very public in the local papers/news about needing to get a front of the rotation type pitcher. And it's also clear that he really has no qualms about giving up the best young players to do so. We M's fans are to the point that we just pray there are no deals because we know we'll always get the short end of the stick. Jones, Sherrill, Tillman, and one or two other prospects for Bedard is absolutely moronic. He's a good pitcher, but no way does he warrant that much talent in return.

Good luck to your O's. If the deal doesn't go through you have a right to be furious with Angelos. You would/will get the MUCH better end of that trade for sure.
 

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Okay looks like it gets done in the next few days. Alot of new faces in the orioles system if the next two trades go down.

They traded Miggy and got back five from Houston.

Bedard will bring back five.

Roberts will bring back three or four.

So the birds lose three of the best players they have but get 13 to 14 young players. The rebuilding has finally begun after ten losing seasons.



Bedard saga to be resolved soon
O's, Mariners attempt to fix issues that stalled deal earlier this week

By Jeff Zrebiec

Sun reporter

7:13 PM EST, January 31, 2008


The Erik Bedard trade saga is expected to be resolved within the next couple of days as the Orioles and Seattle Mariners attempt to resolve issues that stalled a deal that was nearly completed earlier this week.

ESPN.com first reported that the holdup of the deal, which would send Bedard to the Mariners for young center fielder Adam Jones, reliever George Sherrill and three pitching prospects, is a "rules issue."

The story said that the Orioles are trying to acquire "written language" from the Mariners that would allow the Orioles to pull out of the deal if Jones or Sherrill failed his physical.

Jones' pronouncement Sunday to a Venezuelan reporter that he was headed to Baltimore to take a physical because he was the centerpiece of the Mariners' trade for Bedard angered Orioles owner Peter Angelos, who didn't want word of the deal to leak before physicals were taken. The Orioles canceled Jones' physical, which had been scheduled for Tuesday.

Angelos couldn't be reached Thursday to comment, and president of baseball operations Andy MacPhail hadn't returned a phone call from The Sun as of early Thursday evening.

However, team officials expect the deal for the Orioles' ace, which also would send pitching prospects Chris Tillman, Tony Butler and Kam Mickolio to Baltimore, to be resolved one way or another in the next 48 hours.

Angelos, a highly successful attorney, has long been wary of approving deals without a thorough -- too thorough, his critics say -- review of a player's medical history. His apprehension might have started in 1999 when the Orioles announced that they had signed free-agent pitcher Xavier Hernandez to a two-year, $2.5 million contract. The club's news release on the signing didn't mention that the deal was pending the results of a physical.

It was discovered that Hernandez had a partially torn rotator cuff, prompting Angelos to void the contract. Hernandez filed a grievance and the Orioles were ordered to pay him a $1.75 million settlement.

A year later, the Orioles announced that they had agreed in principal to a four-year, $29 million deal with free-agent pitcher Aaron Sele. This time, they noted that the deal was pending a physical. The exam turned up concern about the condition of Sele's shoulder and led to Angelos nixing the deal and asking executives to try to negotiate a two-year contract with the pitcher.

Sele, instead, signed a two-year deal with the Mariners and went 32-15 over those two seasons.

If the Bedard-to-Seattle deal goes through, it would help the Orioles in their attempt to stockpile as much young talent as possible to buoy a rebuilding effort.

In December, MacPhail secured five players from the Houston Astros in exchange for star shortstop Miguel Tejada. MacPhail could get as many as four players from the Chicago Cubs if he's able to finalize a deal for All-Star second baseman Brian Roberts. However, a Roberts trade isn't expected to happen before the Bedard matter is resolved.

Jones, a 22-year-old center fielder who is one of baseball's top prospects, is the gem of the Mariners' offer. He was the team's first-round selection in the 2003 draft, their minor league Player of the Year a season later and made his major league debut in 2005.

Jones started the 2007 season at Triple-A Tacoma but earned a promotion to the big leagues after hitting .314 with 25 home runs, 84 RBIs and eight steals in 101 games. He hit .246 with two home runs and 41 RBIs in 41 games with Seattle last year.

Jones likely would be the Orioles' Opening Day center fielder, and Sherrill probably would be the team's closer in 2008. The power left-hander went 2-0 with a 2.36 ERA in 73 appearances last year.

Tillman is the most promising pitching prospect in the Mariners' offer, though all three are big and have good arms. Tillman (6 feet 5, 190 pounds) is a 19-year-old right-hander who was Seattle's minor league Pitcher of the Year last season. In two minor league seasons, Tillman, a second-round pick in 2006, is 10-14 with a 4.93 ERA in 38 appearances, including 33 starts.

Butler, 20, is a 6-7, 218-pound left-hander who went 4-7 with a 4.75 ERA in 20 games (18 starts) at Single-A Wisconsin last year. Mickolio, 23, is the biggest and perhaps the rawest of the group. The 6-9, 256-pound Montana native was dominant at Double-A last season, going 3-1 with a 1.82 ERA in 18 relief appearances. Those numbers earned a promotion to Triple-A, where he went 3-3 with a 3.75 ERA and one save in 14 games, while striking out 28 in 24 innings.

jeff.zrebiec@baltsun.com
 

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Shew The deal is finally done.

So the birds got ten players for Tejada and Bedard not to shabby.

Next up is Roberts to the cubs hearing Roberts for Veal, Murton, Cedeno and Gallagher.
 

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Congrats. Anyone who follows the M's knows that the O's absolutely fleeced on us this deal. A lot of people think this is an even deal or that the M's even got the better end of it, but that's just because they don't realize the talent the M's gave up. If you guys are smart you will lock up Jones and Tillman long-term right away. And although Sherrill is a much better set-up guy than he is a closer, he could probably fill that role well too.
 
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