Priorities of the Bush Administration examined in 2009 Budget

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More of the same...cutting from areas that are important to the real people in this country, and increasing areas that put vast amount of money in others' pockets. T-minus 350 days until these people are out on their ass, reaping the benefits of those they helped out the past seven years.

Ironically, I noticed a Bushism on my calendar today, that kind of fits this new budget...

"We ought to make the pie higher." Evidently, the meringue layer on top (the 'defense' budget) has been made much higher this year. Originally I thought this quote was a misstatement, but evidently it wasn't.

Bush's 2009 Budget Shouldn't Be Ignored
By Isaiah J. Poole
February 4th, 2008 - 1:43pm ET

As a detailed outline of how the government will spend your tax dollars in fiscal year 2009, which starts October 1, the budget submitted to Congress by President Bush on Monday is virtually worthless. But as a way to contrast the misplaced ? and, frankly, immoral ? priorities of the last seven years of conservative rule with what the country really wants and needs, Bush's 2009 budget document is invaluable.

Bush's $3.1 trillion budget is wrong-headed on so many counts, as the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities points out, it is no wonder the conventional wisdom is that the Democratic-controlled Congress will ignore it, at least to the extent that the combination of President Bush's veto pen and an obstructionist, sycophant Senate Republican minority will allow.

But just because significant parts of it will be rewritten does not mean that it should be dismissed as politically irrelevant. It is, in fact, very relevant to what should be the core political debate of 2008: Do we want a government that supports the needs and aspirations of ordinary Americans or one that turns its back on them?

On that score, there is only one thing that President Bush is prepared to say yes to: an exorbitant increase in military spending that is well above what the country actually needs to protect itself. In inflation-adjusted terms, Bush's proposed $514 billion budget for the Pentagon is the largest since World War II. Think about it: When the United States was involved in a two-front, full-out ground and air war, the United States government was actually spending less money on the military than it is today.

Critics say that the real story is that military spending as a percentage of the country's gross domestic product ? about 4 percent ? is actually at historic lows. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen is making the 4 percent figure a threshold. ?I really do believe this 4 percent floor is important,? Admiral Mullen is quoted by The New York Times as saying. ?It?s really important, given the world we?re living in, given the threats that we see out there, the risks that are, in fact, global, not just in the Middle East.?

But why 4 percent, when the world average is 2 percent, according to the CIA Factbook, and the 27 countries that spend more than 4 percent of their GDP on defense, aside from China at 4.3 percent, are either small countries, heavy oil exporters or, as in the case of Oman and Qatar, both?

As it turns out, the 4 percent figure was pulled out of the posterior of The Heritage Foundation, which doesn't explain why 4 percent is the magic number, either. (Perhaps it's only because "Four Percent for Freedom," like so much conservative nonsense, nonetheless makes for a crisp, alliterative bumper sticker.) What The Heritage Foundation does say in one of its "Four Percent for Freedom" papers, though, is that "projected growth in entitlement expenditures will jeopardize the nation?s ability to wage war over the long term. This harsh fact makes entitlement reform a national security issue."

There you have it. President Bush's cuts of Medicare and Medicaid funding, his 10 percent slashing of the Justice Department's budget, the nearly 8 percent cut at the Labor Department, his 25 percent cut of the Department of Transportation ? these cuts and more will help us preserve our "ability to wage war."

But we must ask: How secure is a nation that will not adequately fund local police and fire departments? How secure is a nation that will not preserve the rights of its workers and protect them from both discrimination and the economic threats of globalization? How secure is a nation that will not preserve and expand its transportation network in the process help reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil? How secure is a nation that will not assure that its citizens have health care, or equal access to a quality education, or a job with a living wage? How secure is a nation whose leadership vociferously champions the wants of the wealthy while dismissing the needs of the poor and working class?

Progressives are in a better position than ever to win the debate what makes a nation secure, especially in the wake of an administration that has spent billions of dollars actually making the nation less secure through a combination of rank incompetence, ideological wrong-headedness and an unaccountable privatization of military and civilian duties that has led to huge wastes of both tax dollars and American credibility.

The Bush budget, therefore, should be debated before it is tossed into the trash, where it ultimately belongs. The American people need to have a meaningful discussion about whether their tax dollars should be used for their needs or those of the military-industrial complex.
 

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Yet another year of massive budget deficit. This idiot couldn't balance his own checkbook.
 

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You know Smurph--the Reb congress tried to pass balanced budget amendment twice--during Clinton's term--guess who kept it from passing? It needed 2/3 and missed by one vote the last time.

which reminds me--have you noticed all the dispute in congress this session on budget is not dems wanting to cut more but wanting to add more:shrug:

---and what say you?
 

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Nice spin. They didn't need a balanced budget ammendment when the administration was balancing the budget. ...So I guess Bush is punishing Clinton or proving him wrong by running these deficits?

Freeking amazing, you actually find a way to spin Bush's fiscal blundering onto Clinton. ....Just amazing.
 

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Which is spin and not fact:shrug:
we report-you decide!

--and certainly don't see how Clinton could be faulted for this deficeit--

I think maybe 2 wars -911-Katrina had more to do with it--However he added the Medicare part D expense which will be an ever present expanding drain--so extremely quilty there.
 
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Christ's sake, enough about 9-11 and Katrina! You say the same thing over and over and over again! You bragged that Bush was lowering the deficit the last couple years (although it was still a deficit - so it's like you bragging about not losing as much money, but still losing) and now this year it's back to deep deep red. He can barely count to ten and has been in charge of our money for 8 years.
 

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Bush's priorities??

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"--and certainly don't see how Clinton could be faulted for this deficeit--"

:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:

I think "deficeit" is the key word here.
 

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I am a conservative. I believe in small government. The GOP has become a ridiculous joke, that we will have to pay for. Oh, sorry Wayne, I forgot, don't worry, be happy. But, but, but, we had a hurricane and had to invade Iraq.

The joke is on us, unless we all move to China.

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More of the same...cutting from areas that are important to the real people in this country, and increasing areas that put vast amount of money in others' pockets. .

and in november,hillary will be taking from people that actually work for a living...people that pay their own way(for things like health insurance for their own families)....people that keep this country humming....and giving it to the dregs that suck on the government nipple....

crying about defense spending while putin tries to revive the russian bear?...while china builds their military....while the islamists get nuclear armaments....

defense is actually what SHOULD be the government`s job...not redistribution of wealth....


but,it won`t make all that much difference for me....i`ve been fiscally responsible...

all due respect,think about getting a real job,chaddy.....then you won`t have to worry about the government giving you stuff....

it`s a good feeling....you owe it to your family...
 

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I am a conservative. I believe in small government. The GOP has become a ridiculous joke, that we will have to pay for. Oh, sorry Wayne, I forgot, don't worry, be happy. But, but, but, we had a hurricane and had to invade Iraq.

The joke is on us, unless we all move to China.

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wocky...you should`ve stuck that phony "whitehouse.gov." sticker on this graph like you did with the other phony graphs you posted....

it actually fooled a few douchenozzles that don`t know any better...
 

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Christ's sake, enough about 9-11 and Katrina! You say the same thing over and over and over again! You bragged that Bush was lowering the deficit the last couple years (although it was still a deficit - so it's like you bragging about not losing as much money, but still losing) and now this year it's back to deep deep red. He can barely count to ten and has been in charge of our money for 8 years.

If you bring up deficit you can damn well bet I bring up the Billions of unexpected costs. You need to get it through your thick head the 2 go hand in hand. Or is it in you can only factor in huge expenses contributing to deficit that fit your liberal logic agenda:shrug:
 
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but,it won`t make all that much difference for me....i`ve been fiscally responsible...

all due respect,think about getting a real job,chaddy.....then you won`t have to worry about the government giving you stuff....

it`s a good feeling....you owe it to your family...

With all due respect? I'm doing my best to take a breath here and not blast you for these totally BS comments. I'm proud of what both my wife and I have accomplished over the past few years, and my family is doing very well, thank you. I'm proud of my job, and my wife's job. We work hard and do very well. We're extremely fiscally responsible, and I'm quite sure we're more fiscally responsible than you are - but it's possible that's not the case.

The government is not giving me a damn thing, other than the opportunity to be safe, secure, and raise kids in a good country.

I just have a different opinion than you do about some things...so you can take your ASSessment of me and shove it up your arse.

Sorry...that escaped before I exhaled. I just get so sick of the judgmental crap I read from conservatives on this board and elsewhere sometimes.
 

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If you bring up deficit you can damn well bet I bring up the Billions of unexpected costs. You need to get it through your thick head the 2 go hand in hand. Or is it in you can only factor in huge expenses contributing to deficit that fit your liberal logic agenda:shrug:

It's interesting to me that this seems to be the only real defense (other than the ongoing nebulous terror war that has no sensible price tag or means of measurement) to deficits - events that happened years ago, that are still being taken credit for when necessary. The sad thing is, the funds designed for those things aren't even necessarily being received where they were designed to be due to mismanagement of organizations established BY this administration, but that's not my point.

This year's budget projects a deficit of $400 million, as does next year's estimates. More than doubling this year's deficits, each year. What does 9-11 or Katrina have to do with these budgets? I won't hold my breath waiting for that answer, Wayne.

The even sadder fact is that these deficits don't include added funding for the war in Iraq, and we know he'll hit us up at least twice this year, which makes things even worse.

Why are these budgets higher, when they don't even include all the monies required to fight Bush's elective war? Because just for the hell of it, we have to increase money for defense to the tune of an inflation-adjusted number making us spend more than when we were fighting a two front World War two, when our lives actually depended on it.

While at the same time, cutting the following areas in this budget: Medicare and Medicaid funding, a 10 percent slashing of the Justice Department's budget, a nearly 8 percent cut at the Labor Department, and a 25 percent cut of the Department of Transportation.

Sorry...9-11 and Katrina have nothing to do with this. And neither does Clinton. So, not sure what you'll have to spin with now...
 

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crying about defense spending while putin tries to revive the russian bear?...while china builds their military....while the islamists get nuclear armaments....

Not exactly the context I had been looking for in previous posts, but at least somebody mentioned where our focus should be........I would've excluded the extremists though......

.....its about money. We got the cold war ended by outstripping the USSR's ability to keep up financially, but we've propped 'em back up on their feet. We kept China at bay for 25 yrs by propping up their economy via outsourcing of production in the hopes of creating some new consumers......oops.

Now these two, plus India and Brazil, are becoming economically viable on their own. Its a global economy.....interdependent......they know it.....we're a little slow to realize it. Instead, we've chosen "empire" techniques in a shoddy attempt to guarantee our share of the finite resources.......why not try and make some dough off their growth instead of being scared that their re-birth as world players will result in hordes of them streaming across our borders, rank after rank, to destroy our "way of life"......

We waste billions on defense.......that Star Wars boondoggle isn't even on the DoD's books.......its discretionary and not counted in the budget and BILLIONS of dollars going nowhere. Economic viability, two oceans, and the fact that if we're not around to buy all the sh!t, then nobody gets paid should keep our "way of life" intact.

Free and fair trade/business strategies has done more to keep the peace over the years than the purchase and maintainance of bigger and bigger sticks. as for the "extremists/jihadists/Al-Qeada" or whatever the fawk we call 'em today.......the source of their power is poverty......take that away, and they just fade into the sand.

Don't ask me how this works.....I'm in the "Idea" dept, not R + D......but the concept seems logical enough. The game is chess, and we suck at chess. Its the coffee again......I've lunged with a big left hook and am now wide open to a right cross.......
 

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WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans blocked a move by Democrats on Wednesday to add more than $40 billion in checks for the elderly, disabled veterans and the unemployed to a bill to stimulate the economy
Republican leaders objected to add-ons such as a $14.5 billion unemployment extension for those whose benefits have run out, $1 billion in heating aid for the poor and tax breaks for renewable energy producers and coal companies.
 

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Who said (911/Kat had to do with this years deficit :shrug:
Chad your only talking about 400mil--a drop in the bucket--wouldn't cover half of hillary's $5,000 a child. Believe we were speaking of total deficit in general during GW terms until you decided to make it this year.

Back to 400 mil---I be tickled pink in if we ave that a year while waging wars on 2 fronts. Especially in light of the pork GW is fighting with Dems on right now is in the Billions.

Now take a look at budget deficit tables and tell us what you have omitted--to tell us-
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/tables.html

If your against war against the radicals thats fine--but remember if you don't fight them you'll still absorb same cost probably more on economy hitwhen they strike again.

Look at history--when they 1st struck on our soil in 93--you can do nothing-spend nothing--and pass it on to next admin--to take double hit economy/War then rant on how you had surplus and next admin had deficit--and get your flock to go along with it and profess the same:shrug:
 
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Wayne, we've discussed the deficit many times, and yes, those two things had an effect. My point has always been, what was done about all of it - budgets and decisions. My argument has always been with the war in Iraq, and tax cuts for a select few (not the little ones, the big ones) at a time of war - unheard of for any President before this one. The war in Iraq is a main reason for the deficits SINCE those things happened, and that is my cause. And the war in Iraq was elective on Bush's part, had nothing to do with the war on terror, and you continue to use that as a standard understandable reason for ongoing deficits. You say a war on two fronts...that's the point. The first front is a proper reaction to the terror situation, and virtually everyone agreed with it - I did. The second one - the one that costs us dramatically - had nothing to do with the terror war, and our decision there has prevented success in the first one, and detracted from our appropriate response in the first place.

One sensible decision would have been to worry more about our economic situation here and the deficits pumped up by 9-11 and Katrina than Iraq. Bush chose not to do that, so he is to be held to that decision - you support it, I say it was a completely wrong one - and every year it gets more wrong. Now we need some kind of stimulous package where taxpayers are giving out free money to everyone (except the people you are always fighting for) because our economy is heading the wrong direction. Throwing good money after bad decisions, economically.

In my opinion, for whatever reasons, George Bush has put the country of Iraq ahead of our own in many ways. He staunchly continues to make that the top priority of his administration, taking extreme measures to protect his ongoing decisions. That's fine, if that's what he and you believe to be the most important thing for our country. I say that's wrong at best, and suspicious at worst. Afganistan and Pakistan, the hunt for Bin Laden and his minions...sure...I get that...and don't mind paying for that - support that actually. Iraq is not the same thing, and it's not a given in the economic situation our country operates in. It's elective, and when that is your stance, you have to face the effects of it.

Of course the only important thing for you is the billions of pork (just the democratic "pork," naturally)...the stuff that actually helps people in this country. More of the same. You'd rather cut Medicade, Medicare, Justice and oversight, transportation, funds to local areas needing help to maintain order and keep people safe (things like fire, police, etc.) and other programs that can do some good here, and watch over the administration you support, than Iraq. It's a choice. And then we'll see in other threads how you rail on foreign aid in many cases. Pretty political posturing, I'd say.

I'm all for cutting out pork...plenty of things that could be cut on both sides - plenty less important to our country than the things mentioned above. And it just rings hollow to me that this President pushes through large increases in defense budgets (which don't include the presumed $150 BILLION or so that we can expect to be asked for this year - which will come out of our pockets and never count towards the deficit....convenient, that) and only looking to cut areas that don't fit into the areas of his supporters. Changes in our healthcare situation? Nah. Credit Card companies and financial institutions? Only when pushed to the brink when they misuse the beneficial legislation his people helped enact and we sit in the current problematic place we are in now. Defense contractors? Oil companies and energy interests? Laughable.

Sorry if I'm focused on the present...I know you prefer to deal in the Katrina/9-11/Clinton blame frames. I'm living now, and want things to be different. You like them the way they are, pretty much. I get it.

Oh, by the way...why don't you tell me what in that report I am "failing to tell us." I wasn't consciously hiding anything when I was posting...and that's a big budget report. I'll gladly talk about it, if I know what YOU are wanting to talk about.
 

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If your against war against the radicals thats fine--but remember if you don't fight them you'll still absorb same cost probably more on economy hitwhen they strike again.

Look at history--when they 1st struck on our soil in 93--you can do nothing-spend nothing--and pass it on to next admin--to take double hit economy/War then rant on how you had surplus and next admin had deficit--and get your flock to go along with it and profess the same:shrug:

To be specific here and call out your fuzzy assessment of the situation...

I am and was all for fighting the terrorists...the initial "war" front and the hunt for Bin Laden was a worthy endeavor and one I supported completely. The war in Iraq (the thing you continually link as a double front) had nothing to do with that, no matter how many times you try to link it together. Also think there was a pretty big difference between them hitting us on our soil in '93 and on 9-11, and the response was much more understandable, clear, and supported.
 
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